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In my time here, and throughout my history of gaming, I have noticed that people are very biased to their machines. There has been a bit of gloating by the Ninties on prime topics at the mo, and that has spawned this.
Nintys recon they are the best. They will not take it any other way. Even though the Cube isnt out yet and wont be for quite a while, they are claiming that it is the best machine ever made. They are happy to s**g any other machine or game not on the nintendo, regardless of how good it is. There is bragging by the nintys in prime topics at the mo as there are some PS2 titles being converted to the Cube. Does that make your machine any better? No! It means that they want to sell great games to a wider audience.
Sega fans used to be similar. Fair enough, the DC was a great machine, but I have heard from a number of people a while back that the Dreamcast was the only choice for hardcore gamers, and that the PS was cheddar in comparison. The majority of these changed their tune when the PS2 was released, and the rest followed when Sega announced the death of the DC and the games were coming to the PS2. They have generally lost their attitude against other machines and can accept the quality titles that exist on other machines, though they still like the sega games. Fair enough, Sega has made some great games.
X-Box fans are few and far between. They are wowed by the screenshots, yet understand that they have a lot to fight, so they take a back burner and wait for judgement day.
Sony fans seem to be the more rounded sort. they have great games, just like the other machines, but there isnt as much of the "mines better than yours" rubbish. They understand that other machines have great games just as much as theirs, and can appreciate the merits of other machines.
Of course there is exeptions to this, people buy machines because they like the games, or they like what the machine has to offer. Its that some get sucked into this mindset that theirs is the greatest. I'm not saying that there arent Sony fans that say the PS2 is the best thing since sliced bread, or that there arent ninty fans that say that the PS2 is a good machine but they are holding out for a Cube. Im just getting tired of all these Ninty fans banging on about how their new machine that isnt even out yet will completely anialate all opposition based on some specs and some screenshots. At least until your nachine is out? yes?
Why cant we all just get along? Accept that there is more than one great machine, there are many games that are good on every playform, and not s**g people for not having your personal bias towards your favourite. It's a bit childish, isnt it?
(I can see a war coming on...:) )
Nintys recon they are the best. They will not take it any other way. Even though the Cube isnt out yet and wont be for quite a while, they are claiming that it is the best machine ever made. They are happy to s**g any other machine or game not on the nintendo, regardless of how good it is. There is bragging by the nintys in prime topics at the mo as there are some PS2 titles being converted to the Cube. Does that make your machine any better? No! It means that they want to sell great games to a wider audience.
Sega fans used to be similar. Fair enough, the DC was a great machine, but I have heard from a number of people a while back that the Dreamcast was the only choice for hardcore gamers, and that the PS was cheddar in comparison. The majority of these changed their tune when the PS2 was released, and the rest followed when Sega announced the death of the DC and the games were coming to the PS2. They have generally lost their attitude against other machines and can accept the quality titles that exist on other machines, though they still like the sega games. Fair enough, Sega has made some great games.
X-Box fans are few and far between. They are wowed by the screenshots, yet understand that they have a lot to fight, so they take a back burner and wait for judgement day.
Sony fans seem to be the more rounded sort. they have great games, just like the other machines, but there isnt as much of the "mines better than yours" rubbish. They understand that other machines have great games just as much as theirs, and can appreciate the merits of other machines.
Of course there is exeptions to this, people buy machines because they like the games, or they like what the machine has to offer. Its that some get sucked into this mindset that theirs is the greatest. I'm not saying that there arent Sony fans that say the PS2 is the best thing since sliced bread, or that there arent ninty fans that say that the PS2 is a good machine but they are holding out for a Cube. Im just getting tired of all these Ninty fans banging on about how their new machine that isnt even out yet will completely anialate all opposition based on some specs and some screenshots. At least until your nachine is out? yes?
Why cant we all just get along? Accept that there is more than one great machine, there are many games that are good on every playform, and not s**g people for not having your personal bias towards your favourite. It's a bit childish, isnt it?
(I can see a war coming on...:) )
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although the N64 was the best at creating 3D worlds the PSone was the only console using CD tracks,VCD and FMV. so yes the N64 was better on the graphical side but the PS1 did have some strong goings.
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although the N64 was the best at creating 3D worlds the PSone was the only console using CD tracks,VCD and FMV. so yes the N64 was better on the graphical side but the PS1 did have some strong goings.
I count myself as an Xbox and PC fan. I love eye candy and perfect images. What annoys me is people putting down a machine before it is launched.
I try not to post on the Sony Forum but i was redirected from the Xbox forum where someone stated this.
The Xbox can push more textures but less polygons than the PS2.
Someone else also said the PS2 is more powerfull.
I see that as unfounded and an example of a Sony fan putting down a top noch product before it is launched.
PC games such as Porsche Challenge/ Web racer/ Colin Mcrae2 possess the best graphics is a racing game period. But you do need the right graphics card to show this (Voodoo 5, Geforce 3, Kyro 2). There is no polygon glitching, texture flutter and all are perfectly Anti Aliased.
I hate playing games where straight lines are portrayed as "staircases" as they are in GT3.
This is where the Xbox will succeed (and maybe the GC) because it has a state of the art Graphics chip capable of even giving textures shape and performing real time full scene anti aliasing.
All it needs are the games and a slice of the hype the PS2 had. But hopefully, unlike the PS2, the Xbox will exceed the hype.
I try not to post on the Sony Forum but i was redirected from the Xbox forum where someone stated this.
The Xbox can push more textures but less polygons than the PS2.
Someone else also said the PS2 is more powerfull.
I see that as unfounded and an example of a Sony fan putting down a top noch product before it is launched.
PC games such as Porsche Challenge/ Web racer/ Colin Mcrae2 possess the best graphics is a racing game period. But you do need the right graphics card to show this (Voodoo 5, Geforce 3, Kyro 2). There is no polygon glitching, texture flutter and all are perfectly Anti Aliased.
I hate playing games where straight lines are portrayed as "staircases" as they are in GT3.
This is where the Xbox will succeed (and maybe the GC) because it has a state of the art Graphics chip capable of even giving textures shape and performing real time full scene anti aliasing.
All it needs are the games and a slice of the hype the PS2 had. But hopefully, unlike the PS2, the Xbox will exceed the hype.
Just remember that PS1 was far behind the N64 in technological terms.
Okay, so the N64 was 'difficult to code for' (read 'lazy developers') and so it suffered lack of games and lack of sales. It is already clear that the PS2 is not in the same situation.
I know that the PS2 isn't the solution to the gaming world's problems, but to be fair, Sony never claimed it was. All of the hype - which led to some people being disappointed - was created by the media.
Sony mentioned a few things about it being powerful enough to emulate 'emotions' - which it is, IF it's programmed to do that. The media read between the lines and found claims that simply weren't there, and they ended up convincing themselves - and a frighteningly large number of gullible gamers, it seems - that they would be getting the gaming equivalent of a Cray supercomputer.
Gamecube and Xbox entered development a long time after Sony's machine; technology has advanced, and of course they *may* be technically superior. But as we all know, they doesn't necessarily make them better.
That said, I will still get a GC if there are enough of the games I like available. It certainly doesn't mean I think any less of Sony or the PS2.
Okay, so the N64 was 'difficult to code for' (read 'lazy developers') and so it suffered lack of games and lack of sales. It is already clear that the PS2 is not in the same situation.
I know that the PS2 isn't the solution to the gaming world's problems, but to be fair, Sony never claimed it was. All of the hype - which led to some people being disappointed - was created by the media.
Sony mentioned a few things about it being powerful enough to emulate 'emotions' - which it is, IF it's programmed to do that. The media read between the lines and found claims that simply weren't there, and they ended up convincing themselves - and a frighteningly large number of gullible gamers, it seems - that they would be getting the gaming equivalent of a Cray supercomputer.
Gamecube and Xbox entered development a long time after Sony's machine; technology has advanced, and of course they *may* be technically superior. But as we all know, they doesn't necessarily make them better.
That said, I will still get a GC if there are enough of the games I like available. It certainly doesn't mean I think any less of Sony or the PS2.
tcook51839 wrote:
For any PS1 fan to
> say they preferred the PS1 over the DC is just ridiculous. In every
> single aspect the console and games were, and are, far superior and
> any other opinion is just biased and blinkered......so there.
Does this not back up my original point?
Shame you wernt a Ninty, that would have put a smile on my face... :)
For any PS1 fan to
> say they preferred the PS1 over the DC is just ridiculous. In every
> single aspect the console and games were, and are, far superior and
> any other opinion is just biased and blinkered......so there.
Does this not back up my original point?
Shame you wernt a Ninty, that would have put a smile on my face... :)
Thnaks wookie, I could see myself getting in a bit of stick about that post.
Wookie has it on the head there. The DC might be more graphically impressive than the PS1, yet I preferred the PS1 games. Give the PS2 time to get to 2nd and 3rd generation games and the DC will be well and truly whipped.
Graphics arent everything
Wookie has it on the head there. The DC might be more graphically impressive than the PS1, yet I preferred the PS1 games. Give the PS2 time to get to 2nd and 3rd generation games and the DC will be well and truly whipped.
Graphics arent everything
tcook51839 wrote:
> compared to a Pc they are pretty poor. Polygon glitches,
> texture flutter and very poor antialiasing.
I've seen nothing on PC that looks even close. But then Ic don't claim to have seen every PC game.
> What dissapointed me was the fact that the DC was
releasing games which were better
Granted, the launch games were not what they may have been. But you are comparing 2nd/3rd gen games on the DC to first-gen games on the PS2. Even so, there were some very good launch games for PS2 - it's the old 'matter of personal opinion' subject again.
> For any PS1 fan to say they preferred the PS1 over the DC is just ridiculous. In every
> single aspect the console and games were, and are, far superior
Of course it's not ridiculous - that's just your opinion, which you are assuming is more valid than anyone elses.
Personally, I didn't buy a Dreamcast because the majority of Sega games shallow an unfulfilling, and this is why I've no interest in Crazy Taxi on PS2. Please bear in mind that I am *not* saying Sega games are rubbish, just that they don't appeal to me.
There *are* more involving games on DC, but I personally prefer many PS1 games than DC games. I keep saying this til I'm blue in the face, but it is *personal preference*.
> and any other opinion is just biased and linkered......so there.
Because of the 'so there' I'm assuming this last statement is intended as a light-hearted joke, so I won't go into the the obvious discussion... :-)
> compared to a Pc they are pretty poor. Polygon glitches,
> texture flutter and very poor antialiasing.
I've seen nothing on PC that looks even close. But then Ic don't claim to have seen every PC game.
> What dissapointed me was the fact that the DC was
releasing games which were better
Granted, the launch games were not what they may have been. But you are comparing 2nd/3rd gen games on the DC to first-gen games on the PS2. Even so, there were some very good launch games for PS2 - it's the old 'matter of personal opinion' subject again.
> For any PS1 fan to say they preferred the PS1 over the DC is just ridiculous. In every
> single aspect the console and games were, and are, far superior
Of course it's not ridiculous - that's just your opinion, which you are assuming is more valid than anyone elses.
Personally, I didn't buy a Dreamcast because the majority of Sega games shallow an unfulfilling, and this is why I've no interest in Crazy Taxi on PS2. Please bear in mind that I am *not* saying Sega games are rubbish, just that they don't appeal to me.
There *are* more involving games on DC, but I personally prefer many PS1 games than DC games. I keep saying this til I'm blue in the face, but it is *personal preference*.
> and any other opinion is just biased and linkered......so there.
Because of the 'so there' I'm assuming this last statement is intended as a light-hearted joke, so I won't go into the the obvious discussion... :-)
Played GT3.
People are spouting on about they unbelievable graphics.
Yes maybe they are compared to other consoles but still
compared to a Pc they are pretty poor.
Polygon glitches, texture flutter and very poor antialiasing.
Looking at that game, on graphics alone, the PC and Xbox has it whipped. But we all know that graphics are not everything , but they help.
Anyway the launch was maybe dissapointing rather than poor.
What dissapointed me was the fact that the DC was releasing games which were better than the next best thing, the PS2.
I see that as a poor launch as Sony had a lot more time to
develop the PS2.
For any PS1 fan to say they preferred the PS1 over the DC is just ridiculous. In every single aspect the console and games were, and are, far superior and any other opinion is just biased and blinkered......so there.
People are spouting on about they unbelievable graphics.
Yes maybe they are compared to other consoles but still
compared to a Pc they are pretty poor.
Polygon glitches, texture flutter and very poor antialiasing.
Looking at that game, on graphics alone, the PC and Xbox has it whipped. But we all know that graphics are not everything , but they help.
Anyway the launch was maybe dissapointing rather than poor.
What dissapointed me was the fact that the DC was releasing games which were better than the next best thing, the PS2.
I see that as a poor launch as Sony had a lot more time to
develop the PS2.
For any PS1 fan to say they preferred the PS1 over the DC is just ridiculous. In every single aspect the console and games were, and are, far superior and any other opinion is just biased and blinkered......so there.
No matter how poor the launch lineup would be, most people knew that PS2 is going to have some brilliant games in the coming months.And it happened. Look at the games we are playing now:GT3
Red Faction
Onimusha
Red Faction
Onimusha
kingklik wrote:
I expect it's very convenient for yourself that you are a member of the group that leave other consoles alone etc.
Are you incinuating something?
noooo... no... no... noo... no.. no... yes.
I expect it's very convenient for yourself that you are a member of the group that leave other consoles alone etc.
Are you incinuating something?
noooo... no... no... noo... no.. no... yes.
tcook51839 wrote:
> On reflection would these Sony fans have bought a DC knowing what a
> poor launch the PS2 had? I doubt it.
And when was this poor launch exactly? Granted it may not have gone as smoothly as it could have, but it was still the most successful console launch in history, and not 'poor' by any stretch of the imagination.
Just as well it didn't go well, otherwise there'd be no point in the Xbox/Gamecube launches...
> On reflection would these Sony fans have bought a DC knowing what a
> poor launch the PS2 had? I doubt it.
And when was this poor launch exactly? Granted it may not have gone as smoothly as it could have, but it was still the most successful console launch in history, and not 'poor' by any stretch of the imagination.
Just as well it didn't go well, otherwise there'd be no point in the Xbox/Gamecube launches...
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