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Mon 16/07/01 at 21:48
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Tony, please don't take offense, but I don't believe this post should have been deleted so I am going to re post it. I am proving a point. If you disagree with any reply, then please delete that and not this thread.

Hey, I know this is a kind of controversial subject, but I think it’s one that should be sorted out. I’m not really up to date with all the PC terms so if I offend anyone, I’m very sorry and nothing was meant by this.

- First of all, Racism as a whole and my opinions.

In my opinion, all people should be treated equally. Whether they be black or white, straight or gay, rich or poor. By equally I mean equally. I don’t believe in schools for black people or schools for white people. I don’t believe white people should be treated better than black people OR black people better than white. I don’t believe a black man should be sacked just because he is black, but I also don’t believe black people should be able to sue for something white people can’t. In some cases I believe racism has gone too far the other way. Why should police officers be afraid of stopping black men? They are not afraid to stop whites, so why blacks? Why is there a difference? I also disagree with black people (by this I don’t just mean black by the way, I also mean Asian half-caste etc etc) who think the world is against them because they are black. How many times have I watched a program about the police? Ten white men get arrested and don’t complain. One black man gets arrested and screams the place down about it being because he is black. Where is the equality in that?

- But what has this got to do with gaming?

A few months ago, PC Gamer ran an article about racism in computer games. It used Soldier of Fortune as an example of the problems. It pointed out that, during the missions, you could not kill any civilians. If you killed more than 2 civilians, it was game over. However, in the missions that take place in Iraq, Iraqi citizens can be killed without any problems. These deaths aren’t even recorded on your “Innocents Killed” list. This shows the thinking that Iraqi citizens are not as valuable as Americans. Let’s make this clear, no where in the game do the innocents become a threat, they generally stand around minding their own business. This is clearly part of the American ‘Dirty Arab’, gung-ho kind of attitude toward these people. I would like to make one point before I finish, no where in the game does it say that it is ok to shoot Iraqi, yet no where does it say not to.

So, what do you think? Is this blatant racism? Is this simply a mistake? Have you noticed racism in any other games? Let’s get this sorted out because it should not have to be tolerated.
Tue 17/07/01 at 00:30
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"How Handy."
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Yeah, sonic, I wondered about that before. How did that pass through the censors?

Anyway, come on people, I need more replies. I appreciate some people may have already replied but I would be very grateful if you could please re post your opinions here, as this is a very serious matter.

Thankyou,

Oh, by the way, try to keep your posts clean and try not to insult anyone. No one likes a racist. Or a sexist for that matter.
Mon 16/07/01 at 22:44
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But the fatc is that the US gov DOES have anti-Iraqi propaganda. Like the sout park film... I honestly think that there must have been someone that decided to say that Saddam should be depicted as the devil...

I was in school chapel the other day (OMG!) and the rev was saying how everyone, even saddam, has a bit of goodness because they are in the image of god. I think that is balls... but still think that all men are equal (oh... an women are somewhere down the list ;)

Sonic
Mon 16/07/01 at 21:48
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"How Handy."
Posts: 2,631
Tony, please don't take offense, but I don't believe this post should have been deleted so I am going to re post it. I am proving a point. If you disagree with any reply, then please delete that and not this thread.

Hey, I know this is a kind of controversial subject, but I think it’s one that should be sorted out. I’m not really up to date with all the PC terms so if I offend anyone, I’m very sorry and nothing was meant by this.

- First of all, Racism as a whole and my opinions.

In my opinion, all people should be treated equally. Whether they be black or white, straight or gay, rich or poor. By equally I mean equally. I don’t believe in schools for black people or schools for white people. I don’t believe white people should be treated better than black people OR black people better than white. I don’t believe a black man should be sacked just because he is black, but I also don’t believe black people should be able to sue for something white people can’t. In some cases I believe racism has gone too far the other way. Why should police officers be afraid of stopping black men? They are not afraid to stop whites, so why blacks? Why is there a difference? I also disagree with black people (by this I don’t just mean black by the way, I also mean Asian half-caste etc etc) who think the world is against them because they are black. How many times have I watched a program about the police? Ten white men get arrested and don’t complain. One black man gets arrested and screams the place down about it being because he is black. Where is the equality in that?

- But what has this got to do with gaming?

A few months ago, PC Gamer ran an article about racism in computer games. It used Soldier of Fortune as an example of the problems. It pointed out that, during the missions, you could not kill any civilians. If you killed more than 2 civilians, it was game over. However, in the missions that take place in Iraq, Iraqi citizens can be killed without any problems. These deaths aren’t even recorded on your “Innocents Killed” list. This shows the thinking that Iraqi citizens are not as valuable as Americans. Let’s make this clear, no where in the game do the innocents become a threat, they generally stand around minding their own business. This is clearly part of the American ‘Dirty Arab’, gung-ho kind of attitude toward these people. I would like to make one point before I finish, no where in the game does it say that it is ok to shoot Iraqi, yet no where does it say not to.

So, what do you think? Is this blatant racism? Is this simply a mistake? Have you noticed racism in any other games? Let’s get this sorted out because it should not have to be tolerated.

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