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Tony, please don't take offense, but I don't believe this post should have been deleted so I am going to re post it. I am proving a point. If you disagree with any reply, then please delete that and not this thread.
Hey, I know this is a kind of controversial subject, but I think it’s one that should be sorted out. I’m not really up to date with all the PC terms so if I offend anyone, I’m very sorry and nothing was meant by this.
- First of all, Racism as a whole and my opinions.
In my opinion, all people should be treated equally. Whether they be black or white, straight or gay, rich or poor. By equally I mean equally. I don’t believe in schools for black people or schools for white people. I don’t believe white people should be treated better than black people OR black people better than white. I don’t believe a black man should be sacked just because he is black, but I also don’t believe black people should be able to sue for something white people can’t. In some cases I believe racism has gone too far the other way. Why should police officers be afraid of stopping black men? They are not afraid to stop whites, so why blacks? Why is there a difference? I also disagree with black people (by this I don’t just mean black by the way, I also mean Asian half-caste etc etc) who think the world is against them because they are black. How many times have I watched a program about the police? Ten white men get arrested and don’t complain. One black man gets arrested and screams the place down about it being because he is black. Where is the equality in that?
- But what has this got to do with gaming?
A few months ago, PC Gamer ran an article about racism in computer games. It used Soldier of Fortune as an example of the problems. It pointed out that, during the missions, you could not kill any civilians. If you killed more than 2 civilians, it was game over. However, in the missions that take place in Iraq, Iraqi citizens can be killed without any problems. These deaths aren’t even recorded on your “Innocents Killed” list. This shows the thinking that Iraqi citizens are not as valuable as Americans. Let’s make this clear, no where in the game do the innocents become a threat, they generally stand around minding their own business. This is clearly part of the American ‘Dirty Arab’, gung-ho kind of attitude toward these people. I would like to make one point before I finish, no where in the game does it say that it is ok to shoot Iraqi, yet no where does it say not to.
So, what do you think? Is this blatant racism? Is this simply a mistake? Have you noticed racism in any other games? Let’s get this sorted out because it should not have to be tolerated.
Hey, I know this is a kind of controversial subject, but I think it’s one that should be sorted out. I’m not really up to date with all the PC terms so if I offend anyone, I’m very sorry and nothing was meant by this.
- First of all, Racism as a whole and my opinions.
In my opinion, all people should be treated equally. Whether they be black or white, straight or gay, rich or poor. By equally I mean equally. I don’t believe in schools for black people or schools for white people. I don’t believe white people should be treated better than black people OR black people better than white. I don’t believe a black man should be sacked just because he is black, but I also don’t believe black people should be able to sue for something white people can’t. In some cases I believe racism has gone too far the other way. Why should police officers be afraid of stopping black men? They are not afraid to stop whites, so why blacks? Why is there a difference? I also disagree with black people (by this I don’t just mean black by the way, I also mean Asian half-caste etc etc) who think the world is against them because they are black. How many times have I watched a program about the police? Ten white men get arrested and don’t complain. One black man gets arrested and screams the place down about it being because he is black. Where is the equality in that?
- But what has this got to do with gaming?
A few months ago, PC Gamer ran an article about racism in computer games. It used Soldier of Fortune as an example of the problems. It pointed out that, during the missions, you could not kill any civilians. If you killed more than 2 civilians, it was game over. However, in the missions that take place in Iraq, Iraqi citizens can be killed without any problems. These deaths aren’t even recorded on your “Innocents Killed” list. This shows the thinking that Iraqi citizens are not as valuable as Americans. Let’s make this clear, no where in the game do the innocents become a threat, they generally stand around minding their own business. This is clearly part of the American ‘Dirty Arab’, gung-ho kind of attitude toward these people. I would like to make one point before I finish, no where in the game does it say that it is ok to shoot Iraqi, yet no where does it say not to.
So, what do you think? Is this blatant racism? Is this simply a mistake? Have you noticed racism in any other games? Let’s get this sorted out because it should not have to be tolerated.
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Thanks FM, I think. This is what we're talking about. Raven software overstepped the mark, and that was not on. This is why we're complaining.
Gaming is about make believe, gaming is about having fun, gaming is about playing.
Being politically correct shouldn't come into it. Free speech shouldn't come into it. As soon as we start to censor game content, we lose something.
KEEP GAMING FREE!!!!
Let developers put whatever they want in to games, and let the public decide if they've overstepped the bounds of good taste. If they overstep the mark, the bad publicity would damage the industry, so they are hardly likely to go too far.
FM: Freedom fighter for uncensored gaming. (within reason).
Being politically correct shouldn't come into it. Free speech shouldn't come into it. As soon as we start to censor game content, we lose something.
KEEP GAMING FREE!!!!
Let developers put whatever they want in to games, and let the public decide if they've overstepped the bounds of good taste. If they overstep the mark, the bad publicity would damage the industry, so they are hardly likely to go too far.
FM: Freedom fighter for uncensored gaming. (within reason).
I agree, it shouldn't happen, and it shouldn't cause a problem. But it will.
If this topic was allowed to develop, you'd get people signing up just to post abuse - I guarantee it. In fact, I think it happened once before.
If this topic was allowed to develop, you'd get people signing up just to post abuse - I guarantee it. In fact, I think it happened once before.
Thanks Tony, but I really don't believe that this thread should be deleted. If the thread does start to attract replys that are unsuitable, then I will understand. But pleaselet people have there say and only delete this when we start getting those kind of replys. I believe that most people here are above that and have more sense. For anyone who's going to post something like that, don't. Racism isn't big and it's not clever. God I sound like my mum!.
Wòókiee Møn§†€R wrote:
It hasn't happened yet, but I can guarantee it
> will if the topic remains.
But why will it though?
Everyone gets on well here regardless of their colour. For all you know I could be purple with green bits! IT doesn't matter, I still have my opinion which, hopefully, I put forward in a way everyone can understand.
Does it make any difference if I'm black or white or pink or green or whatever?
No, it doesn't, or rather it shouldn't.
It hasn't happened yet, but I can guarantee it
> will if the topic remains.
But why will it though?
Everyone gets on well here regardless of their colour. For all you know I could be purple with green bits! IT doesn't matter, I still have my opinion which, hopefully, I put forward in a way everyone can understand.
Does it make any difference if I'm black or white or pink or green or whatever?
No, it doesn't, or rather it shouldn't.
YH has raised one issue that I've always thought about, and which I'd like to discuss further - but we simply couldn't do it here.
It is a shame that this topic can't be discussed rationally and intelligently, without people resorting to getting angry and flinging insults.
It hasn't happened yet, but I can guarantee it will if the topic remains.
It hasn't happened yet, but I can guarantee it will if the topic remains.
One thing I have noticed, is that if a white barman in a white pub refuses to serve a black/asin/whatever a drink, thats racist.
If an asian/black barman in a black pub refuses to serve a white person, that isn't. Apparantly.
If an asian/black barman in a black pub refuses to serve a white person, that isn't. Apparantly.
I will almost certainly have to delete this.
It's not the original post that causes the problem. The subject matter is bound to lead to posts which are not suitable for the forums.
That's why it was deleted yesterday.
It's a subject that we don't want discussed on these forums.
And just in case anybody thought this country supported free speech: Well is doesn't and racial and sexual discrimination are the subject of very substantial legislation.
It's not the original post that causes the problem. The subject matter is bound to lead to posts which are not suitable for the forums.
That's why it was deleted yesterday.
It's a subject that we don't want discussed on these forums.
And just in case anybody thought this country supported free speech: Well is doesn't and racial and sexual discrimination are the subject of very substantial legislation.
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