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Tue 10/07/01 at 10:10
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With the current arguments about Bleem, and the court cases and so on, its something to consider. If Bleem win it will spawn a whole new era, but more of that later.

Emulation was more popular in the olden days. You could play Master System games on a Megadrive, Master System games on a Gamegear, NES and Gameboy games on a SNES, and so on. It seemed to be the best thing to do for both the buying public and the games makers - the public were able to upgrade their machine without having to get the old one out to play their favourite games and owners of the new machine had double the back catalogue of games available. the developers were happy as they now had two sets of buyers.

Nowadays, you don't see a lot of this. Sega dropped the whole thing, and went 32x, not compatible with Saturn, not compatible with Dreamcast. Fair enough the Saturn, as it was disc driven and not carts, but the DC could handle it (I dont know the facts on the architecture so i'm not sure on that one)

Sony have done us all proud. The PS2 plays most PS1 games (something like 98% of them). This was a major selling point for the machine. The PS1 had over 6 million users in this country alone, and with the option to sell their PS1 and get another game or two for the new one, as well as all their old games working, the PS2 is the obvious choice for the PS1 owner. And besides, how many machines have over 800 games available on launch day, some available for less than a fiver in the shops?

And now there is Bleem. The ability to play PS1 games on the Dreamcast. Its a shame that it diddn't arrive sooner, now the DC is dying (no offence guys, but it is...), it might have saved it. But then the lawyers stepped in. In ways this is a bad thing, like as exclusive games are a key selling point for the console, but first the advantages.

DC gamers get the 800 games on their machine, meaning that the console lives on. PS game makers dont have to write games in multiple format if they dont want to. Publishers earn more for selling more games now they have a bigger audience, and because of this more money is in the business to make more great titles for the PS1 owner. So why stop it?

Legally, Sony say that the Bleem uses code from the Sony Bios to make it work. Bleem say that though they have seen the Sony code, their code for the gadget is all theirs. From this strange approach rather than the straight copyright route leads us to believe that actual emulation is not illegal. It isnt.

Sony want to stop it to protect their machine, and their users. If you had a choice of a PS1, with all its games, or a DC with all its games and all of PS1s games then you'd choose the DC. There are rumours that the X-Box could emulate the PS2. Sony have to take Bleem to the cleaners otherwise the PS2 is in jepordy. If Sony win, it might put an end to it, and people can carry on like they were. If Bleem win, who knows what could happen? Say if X-Box could play Gamecube, Gamecube could play PS2, then to be able to play all three, everyone would buy an X-Box. How awful is that!
Tue 10/07/01 at 19:22
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"Back For Good"
Posts: 3,673
Emulation is fantastic i download loads of roms but running on a pc and using a keyboard knda spoils them. I really HOPE that when the PS2 goes online you'll be able to run all the roms on web sites like aceroms.com


Also i downloaded the full version of conectix which runs PS1 games on a pc better than bleem but it plays the game only on the top third of the screen.

Thats PC's for you.
Tue 10/07/01 at 19:17
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"Vote For Pedro"
Posts: 5,679
i am very intrested in that thing that lets you play gameboy games on your PS2. and make your own games and download them onto blank gameboy carts to play on your gameboy.

has any one got this yet?
whats it like?
Tue 10/07/01 at 10:37
"High polygon count"
Posts: 15,624
Slaveunit wrote:
> DC gamers get the 800
> games on their machine, meaning that the console lives on.

Not strictly true...

Bleem! for the DC has gone through some changes. Originally, you were to be able to buy the emulator and play PS1 games.

Then there were to be several Bleem! CD's covering the different game genres; i.e. one for racing games, one for 3D platformers, another for sports games, etc.

If I recall correctly, the last I heard was that they couldn't get one version of the emulator to run all games, so they were going to release one disc per game, with the emulator specifically tailored for that game, and only cover the most popular PS1 games.

In addition to these issues, the DC controller has less buttons than the PS controllers, so for some games you would need to buy a PS controller and a special adapter to connect it to your DC.

I made a post about this several months ago, and if you wanted to play more than 2 or 3 PS games, it actually worked out cheaper to buy a PSone or second-hand original PlayStation than to use Bleem! - which rather makes the whole thing a bit pointless! :-)
Tue 10/07/01 at 10:10
Regular
"Back from the dead!"
Posts: 4,615
With the current arguments about Bleem, and the court cases and so on, its something to consider. If Bleem win it will spawn a whole new era, but more of that later.

Emulation was more popular in the olden days. You could play Master System games on a Megadrive, Master System games on a Gamegear, NES and Gameboy games on a SNES, and so on. It seemed to be the best thing to do for both the buying public and the games makers - the public were able to upgrade their machine without having to get the old one out to play their favourite games and owners of the new machine had double the back catalogue of games available. the developers were happy as they now had two sets of buyers.

Nowadays, you don't see a lot of this. Sega dropped the whole thing, and went 32x, not compatible with Saturn, not compatible with Dreamcast. Fair enough the Saturn, as it was disc driven and not carts, but the DC could handle it (I dont know the facts on the architecture so i'm not sure on that one)

Sony have done us all proud. The PS2 plays most PS1 games (something like 98% of them). This was a major selling point for the machine. The PS1 had over 6 million users in this country alone, and with the option to sell their PS1 and get another game or two for the new one, as well as all their old games working, the PS2 is the obvious choice for the PS1 owner. And besides, how many machines have over 800 games available on launch day, some available for less than a fiver in the shops?

And now there is Bleem. The ability to play PS1 games on the Dreamcast. Its a shame that it diddn't arrive sooner, now the DC is dying (no offence guys, but it is...), it might have saved it. But then the lawyers stepped in. In ways this is a bad thing, like as exclusive games are a key selling point for the console, but first the advantages.

DC gamers get the 800 games on their machine, meaning that the console lives on. PS game makers dont have to write games in multiple format if they dont want to. Publishers earn more for selling more games now they have a bigger audience, and because of this more money is in the business to make more great titles for the PS1 owner. So why stop it?

Legally, Sony say that the Bleem uses code from the Sony Bios to make it work. Bleem say that though they have seen the Sony code, their code for the gadget is all theirs. From this strange approach rather than the straight copyright route leads us to believe that actual emulation is not illegal. It isnt.

Sony want to stop it to protect their machine, and their users. If you had a choice of a PS1, with all its games, or a DC with all its games and all of PS1s games then you'd choose the DC. There are rumours that the X-Box could emulate the PS2. Sony have to take Bleem to the cleaners otherwise the PS2 is in jepordy. If Sony win, it might put an end to it, and people can carry on like they were. If Bleem win, who knows what could happen? Say if X-Box could play Gamecube, Gamecube could play PS2, then to be able to play all three, everyone would buy an X-Box. How awful is that!

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