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With the current arguments about Bleem, and the court cases and so on, its something to consider. If Bleem win it will spawn a whole new era, but more of that later.
Emulation was more popular in the olden days. You could play Master System games on a Megadrive, Master System games on a Gamegear, NES and Gameboy games on a SNES, and so on. It seemed to be the best thing to do for both the buying public and the games makers - the public were able to upgrade their machine without having to get the old one out to play their favourite games and owners of the new machine had double the back catalogue of games available. the developers were happy as they now had two sets of buyers.
Nowadays, you don't see a lot of this. Sega dropped the whole thing, and went 32x, not compatible with Saturn, not compatible with Dreamcast. Fair enough the Saturn, as it was disc driven and not carts, but the DC could handle it (I dont know the facts on the architecture so i'm not sure on that one)
Sony have done us all proud. The PS2 plays most PS1 games (something like 98% of them). This was a major selling point for the machine. The PS1 had over 6 million users in this country alone, and with the option to sell their PS1 and get another game or two for the new one, as well as all their old games working, the PS2 is the obvious choice for the PS1 owner. And besides, how many machines have over 800 games available on launch day, some available for less than a fiver in the shops?
And now there is Bleem. The ability to play PS1 games on the Dreamcast. Its a shame that it diddn't arrive sooner, now the DC is dying (no offence guys, but it is...), it might have saved it. But then the lawyers stepped in. In ways this is a bad thing, like as exclusive games are a key selling point for the console, but first the advantages.
DC gamers get the 800 games on their machine, meaning that the console lives on. PS game makers dont have to write games in multiple format if they dont want to. Publishers earn more for selling more games now they have a bigger audience, and because of this more money is in the business to make more great titles for the PS1 owner. So why stop it?
Legally, Sony say that the Bleem uses code from the Sony Bios to make it work. Bleem say that though they have seen the Sony code, their code for the gadget is all theirs. From this strange approach rather than the straight copyright route leads us to believe that actual emulation is not illegal. It isnt.
Sony want to stop it to protect their machine, and their users. If you had a choice of a PS1, with all its games, or a DC with all its games and all of PS1s games then you'd choose the DC. There are rumours that the X-Box could emulate the PS2. Sony have to take Bleem to the cleaners otherwise the PS2 is in jepordy. If Sony win, it might put an end to it, and people can carry on like they were. If Bleem win, who knows what could happen? Say if X-Box could play Gamecube, Gamecube could play PS2, then to be able to play all three, everyone would buy an X-Box. How awful is that!
Emulation was more popular in the olden days. You could play Master System games on a Megadrive, Master System games on a Gamegear, NES and Gameboy games on a SNES, and so on. It seemed to be the best thing to do for both the buying public and the games makers - the public were able to upgrade their machine without having to get the old one out to play their favourite games and owners of the new machine had double the back catalogue of games available. the developers were happy as they now had two sets of buyers.
Nowadays, you don't see a lot of this. Sega dropped the whole thing, and went 32x, not compatible with Saturn, not compatible with Dreamcast. Fair enough the Saturn, as it was disc driven and not carts, but the DC could handle it (I dont know the facts on the architecture so i'm not sure on that one)
Sony have done us all proud. The PS2 plays most PS1 games (something like 98% of them). This was a major selling point for the machine. The PS1 had over 6 million users in this country alone, and with the option to sell their PS1 and get another game or two for the new one, as well as all their old games working, the PS2 is the obvious choice for the PS1 owner. And besides, how many machines have over 800 games available on launch day, some available for less than a fiver in the shops?
And now there is Bleem. The ability to play PS1 games on the Dreamcast. Its a shame that it diddn't arrive sooner, now the DC is dying (no offence guys, but it is...), it might have saved it. But then the lawyers stepped in. In ways this is a bad thing, like as exclusive games are a key selling point for the console, but first the advantages.
DC gamers get the 800 games on their machine, meaning that the console lives on. PS game makers dont have to write games in multiple format if they dont want to. Publishers earn more for selling more games now they have a bigger audience, and because of this more money is in the business to make more great titles for the PS1 owner. So why stop it?
Legally, Sony say that the Bleem uses code from the Sony Bios to make it work. Bleem say that though they have seen the Sony code, their code for the gadget is all theirs. From this strange approach rather than the straight copyright route leads us to believe that actual emulation is not illegal. It isnt.
Sony want to stop it to protect their machine, and their users. If you had a choice of a PS1, with all its games, or a DC with all its games and all of PS1s games then you'd choose the DC. There are rumours that the X-Box could emulate the PS2. Sony have to take Bleem to the cleaners otherwise the PS2 is in jepordy. If Sony win, it might put an end to it, and people can carry on like they were. If Bleem win, who knows what could happen? Say if X-Box could play Gamecube, Gamecube could play PS2, then to be able to play all three, everyone would buy an X-Box. How awful is that!
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I don't see why people are having problems with Emulation. The guy who built my PC over a year ago left me an N64 emulator with ten N64 games and they all work perfectly. There is even controller configuration so you can use gamepads with it - it's almost as good as running it on the N64. You can also save the game at any point whatever the game - cheating maybe, but it's pretty useful.
The Playstation emulator i used to have needed a copy of the CD to work - it was fully tweakable, and with a bit of effort, it didn't take long to get the games running pretty near perfect. I had a Playstation at the time so obviously i didn't use it much- but it seemed pretty good.
If anyone wants to know where to get it i can find out for you...
The Playstation emulator i used to have needed a copy of the CD to work - it was fully tweakable, and with a bit of effort, it didn't take long to get the games running pretty near perfect. I had a Playstation at the time so obviously i didn't use it much- but it seemed pretty good.
If anyone wants to know where to get it i can find out for you...
New Jimmy wrote:
> In my opinion Sony has to produce a development kit that will
> run on a high spec PC and play PS2 games if it wants to keep
> ahead.
Jimmy,
Sony's original dev system was based on a high-end PC set-up, and this is what gave rise to a lot of the sub-standard launch games. The PC kit worked, but did not produce optimal code, due to the PS2's 'innovative' internal architecture.
Sony's specialist kits do a far better job; there were initial problems with the number of libraries available, but obviously SOny are working hard to rectify this.
As I understand it, these dedicated dev kits, while more expensive, actually have a integrated PS2's and produce far better code; this is partly why forthcoming games are looking much finer than those that came before.
> In my opinion Sony has to produce a development kit that will
> run on a high spec PC and play PS2 games if it wants to keep
> ahead.
Jimmy,
Sony's original dev system was based on a high-end PC set-up, and this is what gave rise to a lot of the sub-standard launch games. The PC kit worked, but did not produce optimal code, due to the PS2's 'innovative' internal architecture.
Sony's specialist kits do a far better job; there were initial problems with the number of libraries available, but obviously SOny are working hard to rectify this.
As I understand it, these dedicated dev kits, while more expensive, actually have a integrated PS2's and produce far better code; this is partly why forthcoming games are looking much finer than those that came before.
Emulation on the Xbox is already in development, well if you want to play old arcade games anyway
see www.mame.net or more specifically
visit http://www.otakunozoku.com /xbox/index.html (remove spaces)
Yes from what I can see on this screen Donkey Kong and Mario will becomming to the Xbox this November. :-)
It begs the question though, Why hasnt Sony got this sort of support yet...In my opinion Sony has to produce a development kit that will run on a high spec PC and play PS2 games if it wants to keep ahead.
Of course the fact that emulators are already on the Xbox means it will probably also be vunerable to PC viruses :-(
see www.mame.net or more specifically
visit http://www.otakunozoku.com /xbox/index.html (remove spaces)
Yes from what I can see on this screen Donkey Kong and Mario will becomming to the Xbox this November. :-)
It begs the question though, Why hasnt Sony got this sort of support yet...In my opinion Sony has to produce a development kit that will run on a high spec PC and play PS2 games if it wants to keep ahead.
Of course the fact that emulators are already on the Xbox means it will probably also be vunerable to PC viruses :-(
"why do they let that guy on the golf course?"
"oh, Mr. Sony? weeelll, he does make exceedingly good games..."
"oh, Mr. Sony? weeelll, he does make exceedingly good games..."
The emulation company had produced an emulator for the Apple Mac, and released it in the US. I think they were called Conneectix, and they were working on a Windows version of their software. Sony had tried unsuccessfully to sue this company, but eventually decided buying them was a much easier option. Sony are the Microsoft of the Gaming industry.
there is a company that were working on a ps1 emulator for the pc, and Sony bought them. Wether it was to control the package, or to stop it getting out altogether is anyones guess.
(last i heard)
(last i heard)
I cant see how the Playstation 2 will be in trouble if the Xbox or PC gets a PS2 emulator. Sure it may slow sales of the Playstation2 hardware and increase sales of Xbox hardware..But Microsoft would then lose money on sales of the Xbox. Plus programmers would then program for the PS2 format only..meaning more money for Sony.
Sony would get even more money if they released the emulator themselves, at least for the PC.
Sony would get even more money if they released the emulator themselves, at least for the PC.
blimeyoreilly wrote:
There's always the old standby of plugging you psx2 into
> the tv tuner card of your pc and pretending its being emulated on
> your pc.
Or, you could allways plug your PS2 into the telly...:)
There's always the old standby of plugging you psx2 into
> the tv tuner card of your pc and pretending its being emulated on
> your pc.
Or, you could allways plug your PS2 into the telly...:)
I've got the connectix software running on my pc, and its full screen, although you can count on a 'hang' or a BSOD every now and then. PSX emulation on pc is quite good, but required increases in processor speed to become viable. When bleem for pc was released, processign speed lagged behind that required to get a psx experience from your pc.
I wonder how long it will take to get a psx2 emulator running games at anything like the quality of the original console.
There's always the old standby of plugging you psx2 into the tv tuner card of your pc and pretending its being emulated on your pc.
I wonder how long it will take to get a psx2 emulator running games at anything like the quality of the original console.
There's always the old standby of plugging you psx2 into the tv tuner card of your pc and pretending its being emulated on your pc.
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