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Sat 02/10/04 at 14:18
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Sony have confirmed it. Blu-Ray will be a featured component in what is set to be their most lucrative bussiness move to date.

For those that don't know, DVD is already becoming outdated. Already you can get view high definition TV, that even surpasses that of DVD. In other words you can be watching Friday Night with Jonathan Ross and it'll look better than the latest Star Wars DVD's.

Does this seem right to you? No indeed it doesn't and 2 major companies also agree this. These 2 major companies have developed 2 new forms of movie media, Blu-Ray and HD-DVD.

Sony, along with a whole host of other top names, back the Blu-Ray medium to be the next big thing in home entertainment. It is a massive 50GB in size, looks pretty funky and with it being included in the Playstation 3 will autmatically put Blu-Ray in millions and millions of homes worldwide. Hollywood would almost have to support the Blu-Ray system simply because the popularity of the Playstation brand will mean millions will have the ability to play them already. Sony will add pressure with their Tri-star, Columbia and MGM studios... Spiderman, Terminator and Bond already on Blu-Ray. Watch the new system fly.

Unless something incredibly unlikely happens, such as the PSP flops and the PSTwo fails to start then it is likely Sony will be looking at a steam rolling win for the next generation of consoles.

There is one negative aspect of Blu-Ray. Because it doesn't use the simple red laser system for DVD's (something that is now very cheap to implement) and uses Blue laser, it'll mean the cost of the system will be jacked up. Either Sony will have to release it at a high price, wait an extra amount of time or just suffer a loss on the system. The latter isn't something Sony have ever been willing to do.

It is this PS3 decision that makes the Blu-Ray's competitor, the HD-DVD, look bad. Although the system is cheaper to implement the size of the medium is a mere 22GB, under half that of Blu-Ray.

But hope may remain. It is possible that Microsoft's next system, codenamed Xenon, will use it. Microsoft are desperate to release a cheap system out of the box and not to suffer the price point themselves like they are with the X-box. Already they are removing the Hard drive and to incorperate something like Blu-Ray will mean the Xenon will launch at a very high price. In fact Microsoft are hoping to get a years head start (late 2005) on the competiton and Blu-Ray will be even more expensive to use. If Microsoft want a competitive medium HD-DVD may be the only way.

Microsoft with the weaker system is almost a complete role reversal from the current generation.


What of Nintendo? Who honestly knows. No one. Rumours persist that Nintendo will continue to go their own way and buck the trend of the industry. It persists that Nintendo will play down third party support and stick to first party software, that Nintendo will use a totally new system and won't offer movie playback at all.

These rumours are counteracted with the DS almost entirely. Nintendo now base more emphesis on third parties especially with the latest system and the recent GBA Videos indicate Nintendo willingness to develop video viewing means.

But it is also likely that Nintendo will want to fight piracy in such a way that games will be on a totally different form of medium (A.K.A Gamecube/DS) but it is also likely Nintendo will offer a "second medium". Already confirmed is that the Revolution will be backwards compatible. Which points to the inclusion of either very cheap to implement DVD system or slightly more expensive "HD-DVD".

If both Nintendo and Microsoft use "HD-DVD" then there maybe trouble ahead for Blu-Ray after all. Sure Sony may have the sales advantage, but with Nintendo set to launch simultaneously with Sony and Microsoft a year early. It already kick starts a proper war between the two mediums.

On the other hand, with DVD gaining a firm position in society how likely is it that Blu-Ray and HD-DVD will be replacing it by 2006? Surly it'll take a good 5 years to properly take off? Is Nintendo likely to just stick with DVD movies? Especially as they lack the experience of it. But launching the system next to the Playstation 3 indicates that Nintendo are being really competitive this time, and they will want that to right down to the specifications and what the system offers.

Sony have a brilliant stratagy in place. Something Nintendo and Microsoft will have to be very clever to counteract. Recent reports indicate Nintendo are on the offensive, and it is likely we will see a far more agressive stance from the legendary developer... with the added bonus of brilliant and innovative "DS style" features. Microsoft are stripping down their system and offering in advance of the competiton. It is a surprise risk from Microsoft, hoping that releasing the system early will mean they get a stranglehold on the industry.

Didn't work for the Dreamcast did it.
Sat 16/10/04 at 22:11
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I didn't do all the side quests, but I did complete the game one time around. More than I can say for the likes of 'adult' games like Grand Theft Auto 3/Vice City, True Crime, etc.

It's these cartoony 'childish' games that are the most fun to play right to the end.
Sat 16/10/04 at 22:09
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One of the few games I've gone to the trouble of fully completing.
Sat 16/10/04 at 22:05
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It looked gorgeous. A unique Zelda game.

I for one thoroughly enjoyed it. Could've been a little harder and had more dungeons, but it was a bloody brilliant game.
Sat 16/10/04 at 21:42
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Edgy wrote:
> Acclaim stopped supporting them
> recently and look what's happened to them...

i hardly think its cause they stopped suporting GC

> With sony bringing out a handheld soon nintendo are going to be in
> trouble unless sonys becomes another game gear or lynx.
>
>
> With a delay til November 2005 stateside, I'm pretty confident
> Nintendo will be 'doing a Sony' as far as units sold goes.

Never new it was delayed, but still when it comes out it could cause big problems for Nintendo

>
> So you say Nintendo games are too childish nowadays? So the 2D
> cartoons of the NES and SNES weren't by your definition?

Ah but i was only a child when the snes and nes were out, but now? come on look at the last zelda and tell me that dont look childish!
Sat 16/10/04 at 21:37
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SNES and NES was never that popular with third parties, you're going crazy mate.

The N64 is still Nintendo's finest system.

As for no one supporting them, surly you mean not supporting them fully.

Acclaim, Square-enix, EA, Capcom (to a massive extent), SEGA (to a large extent), Namco (to a massive extent), Codemasters (to a tiny extent), Midway, Activision, Ubi-Soft, Konami (to a varying extent), Rockstar (to a tiny extent) THQ and even Eidios have released software for the Gamecube.

Just in case you were unaware that means all companies bar Sammy have released software for the Cube. And since Sammy has merged with SEGA that may all change.

Namco and Capcom support the Gamecube just as much as they support the PS2. They may not support the Gamecube anymore than that but realise this, Namco released 1 game for the N64 and Capcom released 2.

How times change.
Sat 16/10/04 at 21:25
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thebestbit wrote:
> Dont get me wrong, i used to love Nintendo, the nes was the first
> machine i got. But after the N64 came out its gone downhill for them,
> hence the reason companys are not supporting their machines anymore.

Well Capcom are supporting them. Sega are. Electronic Arts are. Square-Enix are to a small extent. Acclaim stopped supporting them recently and look what's happened to them...



> With sony bringing out a handheld soon nintendo are going to be in
> trouble unless sonys becomes another game gear or lynx.


With a delay til November 2005 stateside, I'm pretty confident Nintendo will be 'doing a Sony' as far as units sold goes.


> I just find their games too childish now days, the odd ones ok but
> every game they make looks the same.

Childish?

Marked by or indicating a lack of maturity

That seems to sum up almost every game in existance.

So you say Nintendo games are too childish nowadays? So the 2D cartoons of the NES and SNES weren't by your definition?


thebestbit wrote:
> lol well ive got an xbox, its image is hardly well liked, took a
> while before it became popular..so your wrong there mate.

In the UK it is about as popular as the GameCube. In Japan it is about as popular as Bin Laden. I too have an Xbox and PS2. I just don't let popular opinion on colourful graphics get in my way of having fun.
Sat 16/10/04 at 20:55
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Edgy wrote:
> and goes for image and
> popular, yet misguided, opinion every time.

lol well ive got an xbox, its image is hardly well liked, took a while before it became popular..so your wrong there mate.
Sat 16/10/04 at 20:53
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Dont get me wrong, i used to love Nintendo, the nes was the first machine i got. But after the N64 came out its gone downhill for them, hence the reason companys are not supporting their machines anymore.
With sony bringing out a handheld soon nintendo are going to be in trouble unless sonys becomes another game gear or lynx.
I just find their games too childish now days, the odd ones ok but every game they make looks the same.
Sat 16/10/04 at 20:45
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You can tell thebestbit can't enjoy games. He seems rather anti-Nintendo.

I know that in some cases it is fair to bare a grudge against a company. But all Nintendo have done is provided fun games (and made a few pricing 'mistakes' in the past). So my conclusion is taht thebestbit doesn't know how to enjoy a game, and goes for image and popular, yet misguided, opinion every time.
Sat 16/10/04 at 20:37
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thebestbit said: a lotta crap



A: Nintendo will stop making games when Nintendo stop making money. IF they were forced out of the home console market, which they are a long way from, then they will consolidate their teams and concentrate on the handhelds. Considering they'll probably lead the future of games anyway.

B: Of course it is speculation, here I am discussing release dates, what can be acchieved, price... the future of gaming. Go on, go into FOG and insult those discussing the future. And considering this article was inspired by one on IGN go e-mail them and criticise them while you're at it.

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