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Sony have confirmed it. Blu-Ray will be a featured component in what is set to be their most lucrative bussiness move to date.
For those that don't know, DVD is already becoming outdated. Already you can get view high definition TV, that even surpasses that of DVD. In other words you can be watching Friday Night with Jonathan Ross and it'll look better than the latest Star Wars DVD's.
Does this seem right to you? No indeed it doesn't and 2 major companies also agree this. These 2 major companies have developed 2 new forms of movie media, Blu-Ray and HD-DVD.
Sony, along with a whole host of other top names, back the Blu-Ray medium to be the next big thing in home entertainment. It is a massive 50GB in size, looks pretty funky and with it being included in the Playstation 3 will autmatically put Blu-Ray in millions and millions of homes worldwide. Hollywood would almost have to support the Blu-Ray system simply because the popularity of the Playstation brand will mean millions will have the ability to play them already. Sony will add pressure with their Tri-star, Columbia and MGM studios... Spiderman, Terminator and Bond already on Blu-Ray. Watch the new system fly.
Unless something incredibly unlikely happens, such as the PSP flops and the PSTwo fails to start then it is likely Sony will be looking at a steam rolling win for the next generation of consoles.
There is one negative aspect of Blu-Ray. Because it doesn't use the simple red laser system for DVD's (something that is now very cheap to implement) and uses Blue laser, it'll mean the cost of the system will be jacked up. Either Sony will have to release it at a high price, wait an extra amount of time or just suffer a loss on the system. The latter isn't something Sony have ever been willing to do.
It is this PS3 decision that makes the Blu-Ray's competitor, the HD-DVD, look bad. Although the system is cheaper to implement the size of the medium is a mere 22GB, under half that of Blu-Ray.
But hope may remain. It is possible that Microsoft's next system, codenamed Xenon, will use it. Microsoft are desperate to release a cheap system out of the box and not to suffer the price point themselves like they are with the X-box. Already they are removing the Hard drive and to incorperate something like Blu-Ray will mean the Xenon will launch at a very high price. In fact Microsoft are hoping to get a years head start (late 2005) on the competiton and Blu-Ray will be even more expensive to use. If Microsoft want a competitive medium HD-DVD may be the only way.
Microsoft with the weaker system is almost a complete role reversal from the current generation.
What of Nintendo? Who honestly knows. No one. Rumours persist that Nintendo will continue to go their own way and buck the trend of the industry. It persists that Nintendo will play down third party support and stick to first party software, that Nintendo will use a totally new system and won't offer movie playback at all.
These rumours are counteracted with the DS almost entirely. Nintendo now base more emphesis on third parties especially with the latest system and the recent GBA Videos indicate Nintendo willingness to develop video viewing means.
But it is also likely that Nintendo will want to fight piracy in such a way that games will be on a totally different form of medium (A.K.A Gamecube/DS) but it is also likely Nintendo will offer a "second medium". Already confirmed is that the Revolution will be backwards compatible. Which points to the inclusion of either very cheap to implement DVD system or slightly more expensive "HD-DVD".
If both Nintendo and Microsoft use "HD-DVD" then there maybe trouble ahead for Blu-Ray after all. Sure Sony may have the sales advantage, but with Nintendo set to launch simultaneously with Sony and Microsoft a year early. It already kick starts a proper war between the two mediums.
On the other hand, with DVD gaining a firm position in society how likely is it that Blu-Ray and HD-DVD will be replacing it by 2006? Surly it'll take a good 5 years to properly take off? Is Nintendo likely to just stick with DVD movies? Especially as they lack the experience of it. But launching the system next to the Playstation 3 indicates that Nintendo are being really competitive this time, and they will want that to right down to the specifications and what the system offers.
Sony have a brilliant stratagy in place. Something Nintendo and Microsoft will have to be very clever to counteract. Recent reports indicate Nintendo are on the offensive, and it is likely we will see a far more agressive stance from the legendary developer... with the added bonus of brilliant and innovative "DS style" features. Microsoft are stripping down their system and offering in advance of the competiton. It is a surprise risk from Microsoft, hoping that releasing the system early will mean they get a stranglehold on the industry.
Didn't work for the Dreamcast did it.
For those that don't know, DVD is already becoming outdated. Already you can get view high definition TV, that even surpasses that of DVD. In other words you can be watching Friday Night with Jonathan Ross and it'll look better than the latest Star Wars DVD's.
Does this seem right to you? No indeed it doesn't and 2 major companies also agree this. These 2 major companies have developed 2 new forms of movie media, Blu-Ray and HD-DVD.
Sony, along with a whole host of other top names, back the Blu-Ray medium to be the next big thing in home entertainment. It is a massive 50GB in size, looks pretty funky and with it being included in the Playstation 3 will autmatically put Blu-Ray in millions and millions of homes worldwide. Hollywood would almost have to support the Blu-Ray system simply because the popularity of the Playstation brand will mean millions will have the ability to play them already. Sony will add pressure with their Tri-star, Columbia and MGM studios... Spiderman, Terminator and Bond already on Blu-Ray. Watch the new system fly.
Unless something incredibly unlikely happens, such as the PSP flops and the PSTwo fails to start then it is likely Sony will be looking at a steam rolling win for the next generation of consoles.
There is one negative aspect of Blu-Ray. Because it doesn't use the simple red laser system for DVD's (something that is now very cheap to implement) and uses Blue laser, it'll mean the cost of the system will be jacked up. Either Sony will have to release it at a high price, wait an extra amount of time or just suffer a loss on the system. The latter isn't something Sony have ever been willing to do.
It is this PS3 decision that makes the Blu-Ray's competitor, the HD-DVD, look bad. Although the system is cheaper to implement the size of the medium is a mere 22GB, under half that of Blu-Ray.
But hope may remain. It is possible that Microsoft's next system, codenamed Xenon, will use it. Microsoft are desperate to release a cheap system out of the box and not to suffer the price point themselves like they are with the X-box. Already they are removing the Hard drive and to incorperate something like Blu-Ray will mean the Xenon will launch at a very high price. In fact Microsoft are hoping to get a years head start (late 2005) on the competiton and Blu-Ray will be even more expensive to use. If Microsoft want a competitive medium HD-DVD may be the only way.
Microsoft with the weaker system is almost a complete role reversal from the current generation.
What of Nintendo? Who honestly knows. No one. Rumours persist that Nintendo will continue to go their own way and buck the trend of the industry. It persists that Nintendo will play down third party support and stick to first party software, that Nintendo will use a totally new system and won't offer movie playback at all.
These rumours are counteracted with the DS almost entirely. Nintendo now base more emphesis on third parties especially with the latest system and the recent GBA Videos indicate Nintendo willingness to develop video viewing means.
But it is also likely that Nintendo will want to fight piracy in such a way that games will be on a totally different form of medium (A.K.A Gamecube/DS) but it is also likely Nintendo will offer a "second medium". Already confirmed is that the Revolution will be backwards compatible. Which points to the inclusion of either very cheap to implement DVD system or slightly more expensive "HD-DVD".
If both Nintendo and Microsoft use "HD-DVD" then there maybe trouble ahead for Blu-Ray after all. Sure Sony may have the sales advantage, but with Nintendo set to launch simultaneously with Sony and Microsoft a year early. It already kick starts a proper war between the two mediums.
On the other hand, with DVD gaining a firm position in society how likely is it that Blu-Ray and HD-DVD will be replacing it by 2006? Surly it'll take a good 5 years to properly take off? Is Nintendo likely to just stick with DVD movies? Especially as they lack the experience of it. But launching the system next to the Playstation 3 indicates that Nintendo are being really competitive this time, and they will want that to right down to the specifications and what the system offers.
Sony have a brilliant stratagy in place. Something Nintendo and Microsoft will have to be very clever to counteract. Recent reports indicate Nintendo are on the offensive, and it is likely we will see a far more agressive stance from the legendary developer... with the added bonus of brilliant and innovative "DS style" features. Microsoft are stripping down their system and offering in advance of the competiton. It is a surprise risk from Microsoft, hoping that releasing the system early will mean they get a stranglehold on the industry.
Didn't work for the Dreamcast did it.
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Seeing as he's simply says there's more games he'd like on the PS2, he can't be flawed...
...unless you went all psychic and mind controlled him!
Be afraid Bonus, be very afraid... ;-P
...unless you went all psychic and mind controlled him!
Be afraid Bonus, be very afraid... ;-P
Bonus wrote:
> I can't see why people in here get hostile when anyone points out a
> lack of quality industry support for the Gamecube, it's a matter of
> fact.
No it is a matter of opinion. So Nintendo don't recieve GTA, Tomb Raider and other action shooters big deal. Nintendo's own first party line up make up for that. Nintendo have had some major quality third party games releases on the Gamecube. Nintendo do get some of those "awesome" third party releases of which you speak, Timesplitters 2 for example, Hitman 2, Burnout, Splinter Cell, Second Sight, Prince of Persia, Beyond Good and Evil, XIII, The Hobbit etc... etc...
Okay so the X-box and the PS2 get a larger slice of the third party pie but that's fine because Nintendo have a larger slice of the first party pie. You need to remember that the Gamecube is a massive leap forward from the N64 in terms of third party support, below is a list of EXCLUSIVE (at least for a year) third party games released or to be released for the Gamecube.
Viewtiful Joe, Die Hard: VEndetta, Product Number 03, Resident Evil remake, Resident Evil 0, Skies, Sonic Adventure 2: Battle, Sonic Mega Collection, Sonic DX, Phantasy Star Online version 3, Geist, Advance Wars, Donkey Konga, Baiton Kaitos, Tales of Symphonia, Starfox 2, Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes, Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles, Pacman Vs., Super Monkey Ball, Super Monkey Ball 2, F Zero GX, Resident Evil 4.... and so on and so on.
> If you look at the N64, it was basically a Playstation 1.5, directly
> in between the PSOne and thePS2 in terms of hardware, yet it stunk to
> high heaven because there was very little third party support.
You are joking. The N64 was filled with classic titles and to say that it stunk is short sighted and plain wrong. The N64 is still the greatest console to have ever lived.
To write off Nintendo because of the amount of games is just plain stupid. I mean I can't afford every Gamecube game I want and I have owned 70 Gamecube titles at one time. That is way more than enough.
But it seems Bonus, despite the fact Namco and Capcom pledging fantastic support for the Gamecube (they made about 3 games between them for the N64), the all important EA (who don't just publish updates) always standing by Nintendo's side, Ubi-Soft's continuing support, Free Radical Design's insistance on Gamecube coverage, SEGA's devotion to the system and even Squaresofts return. You are still unhappy.
And maybe you're right, true there is an almost 300% rise in third party support but there is still not enough. Nintendo don't need the third party support of Sony but they do need more than they are getting. But then it has been on the gradual rise year in year out. This year saw the first Squaresoft release on a Nintendo home system for ten years, the first 3D Metal Gear Solid game for the Gamecube and Codemasters first Gamecube title. It all shows that companies are gradually returning to Nintendo not leaving.
People used the fact that Codemasters, Eidios and Acclaim all halting Gamecube support as a reason for losing third party. But then Nintendo never really had Codemasters or Eidios (the fact Eidios released any games was a miracle)... and we all know that Acclaim aren't an issue anymore.
Codemasters released Second Sight in December that topped the Gamecube chart. Eidios despite halting production on Hitman 3 still intend to release titles for the Gamecube the "get on the" series is all due on a Nintendo system. Ace Golf released last year was exclusive from Eidios.
Next year Nintendo's Zelda, Jungle Beat, Four Swords and Mario Tennis stand besides Namco's Starfox 2 and Baiton Kaitos, EA's Timesplitters 3, Capcom's Resident Evil 4, Killer 7 and Viewtiful Joe 2, N-Space's Geist and Kuju's Advance Wars as some of the biggest releases next year.
Maybe it isn't enough but it is still a jump nevertheless. Look at the DS though, Nintendo invent a totally new concept, meaning they have to really work at making new ideas for the games, going head to head with the PSP. And developers are flocking on board. Not one third party publisher is refusing to support it.
Nintendo constantly say third party relationships are vital, they said in recent interviews surrounding the Gamecube's birthday that they made mistakes in not welcoming third parties.
The Gamecube has improved the relationship between Nintendo and their friends. It hasn't reached the level of Sony but then it isn't nearly as low as it was during the N64's rather successful life span (the N64, with less third party support, did infinitly better than the Gamecube has managed to do so far).
So your theory is flawed.
> I can't see why people in here get hostile when anyone points out a
> lack of quality industry support for the Gamecube, it's a matter of
> fact.
No it is a matter of opinion. So Nintendo don't recieve GTA, Tomb Raider and other action shooters big deal. Nintendo's own first party line up make up for that. Nintendo have had some major quality third party games releases on the Gamecube. Nintendo do get some of those "awesome" third party releases of which you speak, Timesplitters 2 for example, Hitman 2, Burnout, Splinter Cell, Second Sight, Prince of Persia, Beyond Good and Evil, XIII, The Hobbit etc... etc...
Okay so the X-box and the PS2 get a larger slice of the third party pie but that's fine because Nintendo have a larger slice of the first party pie. You need to remember that the Gamecube is a massive leap forward from the N64 in terms of third party support, below is a list of EXCLUSIVE (at least for a year) third party games released or to be released for the Gamecube.
Viewtiful Joe, Die Hard: VEndetta, Product Number 03, Resident Evil remake, Resident Evil 0, Skies, Sonic Adventure 2: Battle, Sonic Mega Collection, Sonic DX, Phantasy Star Online version 3, Geist, Advance Wars, Donkey Konga, Baiton Kaitos, Tales of Symphonia, Starfox 2, Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes, Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles, Pacman Vs., Super Monkey Ball, Super Monkey Ball 2, F Zero GX, Resident Evil 4.... and so on and so on.
> If you look at the N64, it was basically a Playstation 1.5, directly
> in between the PSOne and thePS2 in terms of hardware, yet it stunk to
> high heaven because there was very little third party support.
You are joking. The N64 was filled with classic titles and to say that it stunk is short sighted and plain wrong. The N64 is still the greatest console to have ever lived.
To write off Nintendo because of the amount of games is just plain stupid. I mean I can't afford every Gamecube game I want and I have owned 70 Gamecube titles at one time. That is way more than enough.
But it seems Bonus, despite the fact Namco and Capcom pledging fantastic support for the Gamecube (they made about 3 games between them for the N64), the all important EA (who don't just publish updates) always standing by Nintendo's side, Ubi-Soft's continuing support, Free Radical Design's insistance on Gamecube coverage, SEGA's devotion to the system and even Squaresofts return. You are still unhappy.
And maybe you're right, true there is an almost 300% rise in third party support but there is still not enough. Nintendo don't need the third party support of Sony but they do need more than they are getting. But then it has been on the gradual rise year in year out. This year saw the first Squaresoft release on a Nintendo home system for ten years, the first 3D Metal Gear Solid game for the Gamecube and Codemasters first Gamecube title. It all shows that companies are gradually returning to Nintendo not leaving.
People used the fact that Codemasters, Eidios and Acclaim all halting Gamecube support as a reason for losing third party. But then Nintendo never really had Codemasters or Eidios (the fact Eidios released any games was a miracle)... and we all know that Acclaim aren't an issue anymore.
Codemasters released Second Sight in December that topped the Gamecube chart. Eidios despite halting production on Hitman 3 still intend to release titles for the Gamecube the "get on the" series is all due on a Nintendo system. Ace Golf released last year was exclusive from Eidios.
Next year Nintendo's Zelda, Jungle Beat, Four Swords and Mario Tennis stand besides Namco's Starfox 2 and Baiton Kaitos, EA's Timesplitters 3, Capcom's Resident Evil 4, Killer 7 and Viewtiful Joe 2, N-Space's Geist and Kuju's Advance Wars as some of the biggest releases next year.
Maybe it isn't enough but it is still a jump nevertheless. Look at the DS though, Nintendo invent a totally new concept, meaning they have to really work at making new ideas for the games, going head to head with the PSP. And developers are flocking on board. Not one third party publisher is refusing to support it.
Nintendo constantly say third party relationships are vital, they said in recent interviews surrounding the Gamecube's birthday that they made mistakes in not welcoming third parties.
The Gamecube has improved the relationship between Nintendo and their friends. It hasn't reached the level of Sony but then it isn't nearly as low as it was during the N64's rather successful life span (the N64, with less third party support, did infinitly better than the Gamecube has managed to do so far).
So your theory is flawed.
Well Bonus I found you a challenging opponent until that last post.
Prince of Persia 2, which you rather pleasently stuck on the PS2 release list. Will be out on the Gamecube and X-box at the same time.
And, although I hate to aid your argument where is GT in your PS2 line up.
And if you by any margin think Tales of Symphonia, Pikmin 2 and Metroid Prime 2 are the only games released this Christmas as Gamecube exclusives then you obviously are looking at a seriously outdated release list.
So looking at my GamesTM magazine, and looking at the Christmas release list. What games are worth getting.
So, for the PS2 we have
GTA: San Andreas
Pro Evo 4
Eyetoy Play 2
Devil May Cry 3
Prince Of Persia 2
GT4
Xbox:
Fable (released yesterday)
Outrun 2
Pro Evo 4
Halo 2
(Doom 3 not this year)
Prince of Persia 2
Gamecube:
Animal Crossing
Pikmin 2
Tales of Symphonia
Metroid Prime 2
Paper Mario 2
Donkey Konga
Prince of Persia 2
Oh look at that Nintendo win again.
Prince of Persia 2, which you rather pleasently stuck on the PS2 release list. Will be out on the Gamecube and X-box at the same time.
And, although I hate to aid your argument where is GT in your PS2 line up.
And if you by any margin think Tales of Symphonia, Pikmin 2 and Metroid Prime 2 are the only games released this Christmas as Gamecube exclusives then you obviously are looking at a seriously outdated release list.
So looking at my GamesTM magazine, and looking at the Christmas release list. What games are worth getting.
So, for the PS2 we have
GTA: San Andreas
Pro Evo 4
Eyetoy Play 2
Devil May Cry 3
Prince Of Persia 2
GT4
Xbox:
Fable (released yesterday)
Outrun 2
Pro Evo 4
Halo 2
(Doom 3 not this year)
Prince of Persia 2
Gamecube:
Animal Crossing
Pikmin 2
Tales of Symphonia
Metroid Prime 2
Paper Mario 2
Donkey Konga
Prince of Persia 2
Oh look at that Nintendo win again.
Was I surprised to be told, Bonus you're wrong, because we said so, not really.
I am happy with my PS2, much more so than with my Gamecube. No games worth owning right now? Disgaea, absolutle top notch. It's fair to say that every console is having a little barren patch right now before Christams, but it really is all about to change over the coming months to Christmas, that's when the BIG games of the year are undoubtedly released and battling to be on wish lists and hard earned cash.
It's where 40% of the industry sales are made every single year without fail.
So, sitting beside me I have my GamesTM mag, open at the relese schedules page. Let's take a look at what will be worth buying in the run up to Christmas on all of the consoles:
So, for the PS2 we have
GTA: San Andreas
Pro Evo 4
Eyetoy Play 2
Killzone
Devil May Cry 3
Prince Of Persia 2
Jak and Daxter 3
Ratchet And Clank 3
The Red Star 9if it finds another backer now Acclaim is bust)
Xbox:
Fable (released yesterday)
Outrun 2
Pro Evo 4
Halo 2
Doom 3
Gamecube:
Pikmin 2
Tales of Symphonia
Metroid Prime 2
So, PS2 wins again then? More games worth owning this Christmas than any of the other two consoles. Especially in PS2 exclusives, for a while at least, in GTA, Killzone, DMC3, Jak3 and Play 2.
We can rabbit on and on about why people prefer one thing more than another, but it is very safe to say that the Gamecube is the least supported console.
Nintendo are being heralded by some here as a sort of shining light in the industry. EA are villified for releasing updates of the same games over and over, Pokemon anyone?
I can't see why people in here get hostile when anyone points out a lack of quality industry support for the Gamecube, it's a matter of fact. It is a situation of Nintendo's making, they ripped off developers for years and when they were well and truely beaten by Sony in terms of coducting business, they simply didn't have an answer.
If you look at the N64, it was basically a Playstation 1.5, directly in between the PSOne and thePS2 in terms of hardware, yet it stunk to high heaven because there was very little third party support.
The reason Nintendo has no third party support is because of it's busines practises.
You may very well find Shigsy the man of games design, and there is no arguing his genuis, but he hasn't shown his potential on the Cube, because he was spread too thinkly between every project. Sunshine was average, Pikmin was inspired, The Wind Waker was mildly interesting but it's probably just safe to say I have gone off the Nintendo way of doing things.
So, I will stick with my poor PS2 as some poeple put it.
With the classics of this generation on the PS2, I can't see why some of you guys are so deadly against it. Sony is good or the games industry because it gives developers a chance to make mistakes on projected sales figures and doesn't punish them for it, Nintendo did, Nintendo lost.
So, with my poor PS2 catalogue of Disgaea, GTA, Onimusha, Devil May Cry, Metal Gear Solid, Gran Turismo, Jak And Daxter, Ace Combat, Final Fantasy, Virtua Fighter, Baldur's Gate, Beyond Good and Evil, Herdy Gerdy and onm and on and on, I will be content to know that I have experience a wealth of gaming diversity with the PS2, that no other console of this generation can match. I am lucky enough to own all three of the consoles, but I would have been content with just the PS2 above all others if that's all I could afford.
I am happy with my PS2, much more so than with my Gamecube. No games worth owning right now? Disgaea, absolutle top notch. It's fair to say that every console is having a little barren patch right now before Christams, but it really is all about to change over the coming months to Christmas, that's when the BIG games of the year are undoubtedly released and battling to be on wish lists and hard earned cash.
It's where 40% of the industry sales are made every single year without fail.
So, sitting beside me I have my GamesTM mag, open at the relese schedules page. Let's take a look at what will be worth buying in the run up to Christmas on all of the consoles:
So, for the PS2 we have
GTA: San Andreas
Pro Evo 4
Eyetoy Play 2
Killzone
Devil May Cry 3
Prince Of Persia 2
Jak and Daxter 3
Ratchet And Clank 3
The Red Star 9if it finds another backer now Acclaim is bust)
Xbox:
Fable (released yesterday)
Outrun 2
Pro Evo 4
Halo 2
Doom 3
Gamecube:
Pikmin 2
Tales of Symphonia
Metroid Prime 2
So, PS2 wins again then? More games worth owning this Christmas than any of the other two consoles. Especially in PS2 exclusives, for a while at least, in GTA, Killzone, DMC3, Jak3 and Play 2.
We can rabbit on and on about why people prefer one thing more than another, but it is very safe to say that the Gamecube is the least supported console.
Nintendo are being heralded by some here as a sort of shining light in the industry. EA are villified for releasing updates of the same games over and over, Pokemon anyone?
I can't see why people in here get hostile when anyone points out a lack of quality industry support for the Gamecube, it's a matter of fact. It is a situation of Nintendo's making, they ripped off developers for years and when they were well and truely beaten by Sony in terms of coducting business, they simply didn't have an answer.
If you look at the N64, it was basically a Playstation 1.5, directly in between the PSOne and thePS2 in terms of hardware, yet it stunk to high heaven because there was very little third party support.
The reason Nintendo has no third party support is because of it's busines practises.
You may very well find Shigsy the man of games design, and there is no arguing his genuis, but he hasn't shown his potential on the Cube, because he was spread too thinkly between every project. Sunshine was average, Pikmin was inspired, The Wind Waker was mildly interesting but it's probably just safe to say I have gone off the Nintendo way of doing things.
So, I will stick with my poor PS2 as some poeple put it.
With the classics of this generation on the PS2, I can't see why some of you guys are so deadly against it. Sony is good or the games industry because it gives developers a chance to make mistakes on projected sales figures and doesn't punish them for it, Nintendo did, Nintendo lost.
So, with my poor PS2 catalogue of Disgaea, GTA, Onimusha, Devil May Cry, Metal Gear Solid, Gran Turismo, Jak And Daxter, Ace Combat, Final Fantasy, Virtua Fighter, Baldur's Gate, Beyond Good and Evil, Herdy Gerdy and onm and on and on, I will be content to know that I have experience a wealth of gaming diversity with the PS2, that no other console of this generation can match. I am lucky enough to own all three of the consoles, but I would have been content with just the PS2 above all others if that's all I could afford.
Dringo wrote:
> If you look at the current handheld market you may not be going far
> wrong Strafio.
>
> The DS is a revolutionary new handheld, Nintendo with their in built
> microphones, touch screen, wireless online technology and
> implementation of duel screens is Nintendo's fantastic attempt at a
> "revolutionary" machine.
>
> What about the GBA?? Well it is continuing, in fact this Christmas is
> the GBA's most "chock-a-block" Christmas line up. Mario Vs.
> Donkey Kong, The Legend of Zelda: Minish Cap and not to mention
> Pokemon Leaf Green and Fire Red. Next year there is a mega release
> with Pokemon Emerald. Yep the amount of games released for the system
> will dwindle, but the GBA SP, at a wallet friendly £50
> (probably) will continue to sell. Especially with 2 sets of NES
> classics still to come.
And the way I see it, bar the lack of analogue stick, the DS is THE step forward in the world of handhelds. I can't imagine the N5 possibly being as useful.
> The N5/Revolution system is supposed to be to home consoles what the
> DS is to the handhelds. So, like the GBA SP, would Nintendo continue
> to sell the Gamecube at like £50 with a game... or low and
> behold even cheaper?
Maybe, but they'd be focusing all their efforts into the new hardware.
And it's not just "don't kill the Gamecube", it's why blow a FORTUNE on a new console when the last one is yet to flower.
> Like the DS the N5 is backwards compatible with the Gamecube. It will
> of course be more expensive than the Gamecube so continuing making
> the "occasional" Gamecube game will still be worthwhile as
> the game can be played on the Revolution too. It's like making 1 game
> for the 2 systems.
So the Gamecube will get the occasional game, but that will pretty much be killing it off, and it'll be seen as obselete, simply because it'll look like Nintendo have moved on.
> The only flaw in this is the sales of the Gamecube. GBA SP sales are
> at an all time high and so naturally Nintendo aren't going to pull
> the system. Especially as it is currently the biggest selling
> handheld and even with the DS and the PSP on the market I can still
> see it selling like hot cakes. The Gamecube on the other hand keeps
> promising to pick up momentum, keeps having small spells of success.
> But quickly the lack of releases mean that sales fall away again.
> Perhaps 2005 with the mega releases of Resident Evil 4 and The Legend
> of Zelda we'll see a sudden burst of sales that'll enable the
> Gamecube to live for a good 4-5 years yet. But I wouldn't hold your
> breath.
But it's not about bursts of sales. Call this teething. The Gamecube is trying to fall into that niché market that Yamauchi boggled us by talking about all those years ago. Currently, people need a seriously good reason to get one, and the odd game will provide that for some people.
But when it gets to the point where the system and a game barely costs more than a game for a newer console, more people will buy it and with more people there will be more word of mouth.
Also Sony and MS' superior marketing will no longer be an obstacle because it doesn't matter if people are buying their products, because the people they've "brainwashed" will still be potential buyers.
> As for what the Revolution will offer? Built in Microphones, a touch
> screen built into the controller, perhaps the controller is just a
> screen, probably wireless online options...
They could do ALL of this by releasing a new Gamecube controller.
Or just a DS connection, wireless.
> The only thing that limits Nintendo is their own imagination. And as
> vivid as ours maybe, it doesn't quite reflect the genius behind the
> biggest giant in Video games.
Yeah, so if anyone can find a genius idea that'll make people want to spend £200+ kitting up a new console (considering pads, mem cards and games) it'll be Nintendo.
But I don't think ANYONE can.
It's going about things the wrong way.
The boom of video games is over and companies are in an economic mess.
MS and Sony are bleeding resources, just to monopolise the future market. Nintendo need to stablise now.
> You are right in thinking a cheap console will pull in punters. There
> are thousands of gamers who can't afford the latest system and to see
> an older system still recieving releases, still being sold in shops
> at a cheap price is a good option. Just look at the continuing
> success of the PS1 that in fact had a new release just yesterday!
And that proves my point more.
Because the PS1 is seriously showing it's age.
I can't see the Gamecube aging quickly at ALL.
> But I don't agree Nintendo should put all their effort into
> continuing Gamecube development. After all it could be a disasterous
> stratagy and will allow Nintendo to fall drastically behind the
> competition.
I see it as dropping out of the rat race, but carry on:
> Think about it the N64 was Nintendo's home system for about a year
> after the release of the PS2... it sold terribly. Top titles like
> Conker's Bad Fur Day, Paper Mario 2 and popular franchise Mario Party
> 3 barely sold at all. It was a good line up, let down with terrible
> terrible sales. The N64 must have been £130 cheaper, but it
> didn't outsell the PS2.
The N64 was showing it's age.
It's limits had been reached.
We suffered at the hand's of Perfect Dark's slowdown and realised that this console no longer had a future. Some of us enjoyed games like Conker and Tooiee as a last hurrah, a last bit of fun while we waited for the next big thing, but yeah the N64 was dead.
I've lost no faith in the Gamecube.
Just in Nintendo's game making.
> On a plus side, the Playstation systems remain on the market for
> ages. If the PS3 isn't released till 2006 then that would be a 6 year
> console. Now Nintendo and Microsoft are trying to match Sony in terms
> of release we can expect a longer life span for our Nintendo
> systems.
>
> Dringo.
But perhaps instead of trying to play Sony's game, something they can't win at, they should stick to their own.
By the lack of advertising and epic titles, it seems that Nintendo have been planning the low key approach for a while.
> If you look at the current handheld market you may not be going far
> wrong Strafio.
>
> The DS is a revolutionary new handheld, Nintendo with their in built
> microphones, touch screen, wireless online technology and
> implementation of duel screens is Nintendo's fantastic attempt at a
> "revolutionary" machine.
>
> What about the GBA?? Well it is continuing, in fact this Christmas is
> the GBA's most "chock-a-block" Christmas line up. Mario Vs.
> Donkey Kong, The Legend of Zelda: Minish Cap and not to mention
> Pokemon Leaf Green and Fire Red. Next year there is a mega release
> with Pokemon Emerald. Yep the amount of games released for the system
> will dwindle, but the GBA SP, at a wallet friendly £50
> (probably) will continue to sell. Especially with 2 sets of NES
> classics still to come.
And the way I see it, bar the lack of analogue stick, the DS is THE step forward in the world of handhelds. I can't imagine the N5 possibly being as useful.
> The N5/Revolution system is supposed to be to home consoles what the
> DS is to the handhelds. So, like the GBA SP, would Nintendo continue
> to sell the Gamecube at like £50 with a game... or low and
> behold even cheaper?
Maybe, but they'd be focusing all their efforts into the new hardware.
And it's not just "don't kill the Gamecube", it's why blow a FORTUNE on a new console when the last one is yet to flower.
> Like the DS the N5 is backwards compatible with the Gamecube. It will
> of course be more expensive than the Gamecube so continuing making
> the "occasional" Gamecube game will still be worthwhile as
> the game can be played on the Revolution too. It's like making 1 game
> for the 2 systems.
So the Gamecube will get the occasional game, but that will pretty much be killing it off, and it'll be seen as obselete, simply because it'll look like Nintendo have moved on.
> The only flaw in this is the sales of the Gamecube. GBA SP sales are
> at an all time high and so naturally Nintendo aren't going to pull
> the system. Especially as it is currently the biggest selling
> handheld and even with the DS and the PSP on the market I can still
> see it selling like hot cakes. The Gamecube on the other hand keeps
> promising to pick up momentum, keeps having small spells of success.
> But quickly the lack of releases mean that sales fall away again.
> Perhaps 2005 with the mega releases of Resident Evil 4 and The Legend
> of Zelda we'll see a sudden burst of sales that'll enable the
> Gamecube to live for a good 4-5 years yet. But I wouldn't hold your
> breath.
But it's not about bursts of sales. Call this teething. The Gamecube is trying to fall into that niché market that Yamauchi boggled us by talking about all those years ago. Currently, people need a seriously good reason to get one, and the odd game will provide that for some people.
But when it gets to the point where the system and a game barely costs more than a game for a newer console, more people will buy it and with more people there will be more word of mouth.
Also Sony and MS' superior marketing will no longer be an obstacle because it doesn't matter if people are buying their products, because the people they've "brainwashed" will still be potential buyers.
> As for what the Revolution will offer? Built in Microphones, a touch
> screen built into the controller, perhaps the controller is just a
> screen, probably wireless online options...
They could do ALL of this by releasing a new Gamecube controller.
Or just a DS connection, wireless.
> The only thing that limits Nintendo is their own imagination. And as
> vivid as ours maybe, it doesn't quite reflect the genius behind the
> biggest giant in Video games.
Yeah, so if anyone can find a genius idea that'll make people want to spend £200+ kitting up a new console (considering pads, mem cards and games) it'll be Nintendo.
But I don't think ANYONE can.
It's going about things the wrong way.
The boom of video games is over and companies are in an economic mess.
MS and Sony are bleeding resources, just to monopolise the future market. Nintendo need to stablise now.
> You are right in thinking a cheap console will pull in punters. There
> are thousands of gamers who can't afford the latest system and to see
> an older system still recieving releases, still being sold in shops
> at a cheap price is a good option. Just look at the continuing
> success of the PS1 that in fact had a new release just yesterday!
And that proves my point more.
Because the PS1 is seriously showing it's age.
I can't see the Gamecube aging quickly at ALL.
> But I don't agree Nintendo should put all their effort into
> continuing Gamecube development. After all it could be a disasterous
> stratagy and will allow Nintendo to fall drastically behind the
> competition.
I see it as dropping out of the rat race, but carry on:
> Think about it the N64 was Nintendo's home system for about a year
> after the release of the PS2... it sold terribly. Top titles like
> Conker's Bad Fur Day, Paper Mario 2 and popular franchise Mario Party
> 3 barely sold at all. It was a good line up, let down with terrible
> terrible sales. The N64 must have been £130 cheaper, but it
> didn't outsell the PS2.
The N64 was showing it's age.
It's limits had been reached.
We suffered at the hand's of Perfect Dark's slowdown and realised that this console no longer had a future. Some of us enjoyed games like Conker and Tooiee as a last hurrah, a last bit of fun while we waited for the next big thing, but yeah the N64 was dead.
I've lost no faith in the Gamecube.
Just in Nintendo's game making.
> On a plus side, the Playstation systems remain on the market for
> ages. If the PS3 isn't released till 2006 then that would be a 6 year
> console. Now Nintendo and Microsoft are trying to match Sony in terms
> of release we can expect a longer life span for our Nintendo
> systems.
>
> Dringo.
But perhaps instead of trying to play Sony's game, something they can't win at, they should stick to their own.
By the lack of advertising and epic titles, it seems that Nintendo have been planning the low key approach for a while.
If you look at the current handheld market you may not be going far wrong Strafio.
The DS is a revolutionary new handheld, Nintendo with their in built microphones, touch screen, wireless online technology and implementation of duel screens is Nintendo's fantastic attempt at a "revolutionary" machine.
What about the GBA?? Well it is continuing, in fact this Christmas is the GBA's most "chock-a-block" Christmas line up. Mario Vs. Donkey Kong, The Legend of Zelda: Minish Cap and not to mention Pokemon Leaf Green and Fire Red. Next year there is a mega release with Pokemon Emerald. Yep the amount of games released for the system will dwindle, but the GBA SP, at a wallet friendly £50 (probably) will continue to sell. Especially with 2 sets of NES classics still to come.
The N5/Revolution system is supposed to be to home consoles what the DS is to the handhelds. So, like the GBA SP, would Nintendo continue to sell the Gamecube at like £50 with a game... or low and behold even cheaper?
Like the DS the N5 is backwards compatible with the Gamecube. It will of course be more expensive than the Gamecube so continuing making the "occasional" Gamecube game will still be worthwhile as the game can be played on the Revolution too. It's like making 1 game for the 2 systems.
The only flaw in this is the sales of the Gamecube. GBA SP sales are at an all time high and so naturally Nintendo aren't going to pull the system. Especially as it is currently the biggest selling handheld and even with the DS and the PSP on the market I can still see it selling like hot cakes. The Gamecube on the other hand keeps promising to pick up momentum, keeps having small spells of success. But quickly the lack of releases mean that sales fall away again. Perhaps 2005 with the mega releases of Resident Evil 4 and The Legend of Zelda we'll see a sudden burst of sales that'll enable the Gamecube to live for a good 4-5 years yet. But I wouldn't hold your breath.
As for what the Revolution will offer? Built in Microphones, a touch screen built into the controller, perhaps the controller is just a screen, probably wireless online options...
The only thing that limits Nintendo is their own imagination. And as vivid as ours maybe, it doesn't quite reflect the genius behind the biggest giant in Video games.
You are right in thinking a cheap console will pull in punters. There are thousands of gamers who can't afford the latest system and to see an older system still recieving releases, still being sold in shops at a cheap price is a good option. Just look at the continuing success of the PS1 that in fact had a new release just yesterday!
But I don't agree Nintendo should put all their effort into continuing Gamecube development. After all it could be a disasterous stratagy and will allow Nintendo to fall drastically behind the competition.
Think about it the N64 was Nintendo's home system for about a year after the release of the PS2... it sold terribly. Top titles like Conker's Bad Fur Day, Paper Mario 2 and popular franchise Mario Party 3 barely sold at all. It was a good line up, let down with terrible terrible sales. The N64 must have been £130 cheaper, but it didn't outsell the PS2.
On a plus side, the Playstation systems remain on the market for ages. If the PS3 isn't released till 2006 then that would be a 6 year console. Now Nintendo and Microsoft are trying to match Sony in terms of release we can expect a longer life span for our Nintendo systems.
Dringo.
The DS is a revolutionary new handheld, Nintendo with their in built microphones, touch screen, wireless online technology and implementation of duel screens is Nintendo's fantastic attempt at a "revolutionary" machine.
What about the GBA?? Well it is continuing, in fact this Christmas is the GBA's most "chock-a-block" Christmas line up. Mario Vs. Donkey Kong, The Legend of Zelda: Minish Cap and not to mention Pokemon Leaf Green and Fire Red. Next year there is a mega release with Pokemon Emerald. Yep the amount of games released for the system will dwindle, but the GBA SP, at a wallet friendly £50 (probably) will continue to sell. Especially with 2 sets of NES classics still to come.
The N5/Revolution system is supposed to be to home consoles what the DS is to the handhelds. So, like the GBA SP, would Nintendo continue to sell the Gamecube at like £50 with a game... or low and behold even cheaper?
Like the DS the N5 is backwards compatible with the Gamecube. It will of course be more expensive than the Gamecube so continuing making the "occasional" Gamecube game will still be worthwhile as the game can be played on the Revolution too. It's like making 1 game for the 2 systems.
The only flaw in this is the sales of the Gamecube. GBA SP sales are at an all time high and so naturally Nintendo aren't going to pull the system. Especially as it is currently the biggest selling handheld and even with the DS and the PSP on the market I can still see it selling like hot cakes. The Gamecube on the other hand keeps promising to pick up momentum, keeps having small spells of success. But quickly the lack of releases mean that sales fall away again. Perhaps 2005 with the mega releases of Resident Evil 4 and The Legend of Zelda we'll see a sudden burst of sales that'll enable the Gamecube to live for a good 4-5 years yet. But I wouldn't hold your breath.
As for what the Revolution will offer? Built in Microphones, a touch screen built into the controller, perhaps the controller is just a screen, probably wireless online options...
The only thing that limits Nintendo is their own imagination. And as vivid as ours maybe, it doesn't quite reflect the genius behind the biggest giant in Video games.
You are right in thinking a cheap console will pull in punters. There are thousands of gamers who can't afford the latest system and to see an older system still recieving releases, still being sold in shops at a cheap price is a good option. Just look at the continuing success of the PS1 that in fact had a new release just yesterday!
But I don't agree Nintendo should put all their effort into continuing Gamecube development. After all it could be a disasterous stratagy and will allow Nintendo to fall drastically behind the competition.
Think about it the N64 was Nintendo's home system for about a year after the release of the PS2... it sold terribly. Top titles like Conker's Bad Fur Day, Paper Mario 2 and popular franchise Mario Party 3 barely sold at all. It was a good line up, let down with terrible terrible sales. The N64 must have been £130 cheaper, but it didn't outsell the PS2.
On a plus side, the Playstation systems remain on the market for ages. If the PS3 isn't released till 2006 then that would be a 6 year console. Now Nintendo and Microsoft are trying to match Sony in terms of release we can expect a longer life span for our Nintendo systems.
Dringo.
Seeing as I'm currently living in a building full of people who love 80's pop, I don't think ANYONE'S bad taste could offend me right now.
You go Bonus! Tell 'em what you like!
In reply to Biggles, wehey!
It made so much perfect sense, SOMEONE had to agree with me. :-)
The fact is, Nintendo are yet to exhaust the Gamecube's potential. I wanted the Gamecube the moment the N64 suffered crippling slowdown at the hands of the likes of Perfect Dark and Conker's Bad Fur Day.
I've not had a single tech issue with the Gamecube as of yet.
And a perfect analogy with the 14" TV.
What's more it fits hand in hand with everything Nintendo were saying when the Gamecube were released, that they were in a different market to MS and Sony, and that they'd seen the limits of faster processors had in advancing games, and that they were going for longer lifespan, so 2008 where they expected to sell up to 50 million units.
It sounded like crazy talk back then but makes perfect sense now.
And what's the revolution going to have that's going to make it worth splashing out again?
I can't think of a single thing that would make it worth the money.
All I wanted from the Gamecube was N64 quality games without the 64bit limitations, and bar a couple of very notable exceptions, I haven't gotten that out of it yet.
Call me sceptical, but until the revolution shows me a trully amazing attribute that makes it worth thinking about, I'm writing Nintendo off as being swallowed by the corporates.
And even if it impressed me enough to think that it could make it in the market, I can't see ANY reason why I'd want to buy one.
Especially seeing as the game prices would got back to that of a "new" consoles.
I guess this is aimed at you Dringo.
What could the Revolutionary have that could possibly make it worthwhile?
I know Nintendo CAN surprise, and they've done it before, but they've also disappointed before.
So tell me, what do YOU think that the revolution will offer that the Gamecube can't. The ONE thing I can imagine is online play, but that'll never compete with MS' service, besides they can still do it for the Gamecube with adaptors and all that.
Same goes for DS connectivity.
Can be done with the Gamecube.
Infact, every complaint I've had with Gamecube games was the value for money. Had Sunshine or Windwaker been only £15-£20, I wouldn't have felt ripped off in the least. I wouldn't have expected so much for my money and Nintendo wouldn't have to have pulled N64 scale miracles to satisfy me.
All these short and sweet games, they'd work so beautifully at a cheap price. Isn't a budget console everything Nintendo seem to have been building towards from day one?
Perhaps that's why information on the "revolution" is so rare.
Perhaps Nintendo are smart after all.
You go Bonus! Tell 'em what you like!
In reply to Biggles, wehey!
It made so much perfect sense, SOMEONE had to agree with me. :-)
The fact is, Nintendo are yet to exhaust the Gamecube's potential. I wanted the Gamecube the moment the N64 suffered crippling slowdown at the hands of the likes of Perfect Dark and Conker's Bad Fur Day.
I've not had a single tech issue with the Gamecube as of yet.
And a perfect analogy with the 14" TV.
What's more it fits hand in hand with everything Nintendo were saying when the Gamecube were released, that they were in a different market to MS and Sony, and that they'd seen the limits of faster processors had in advancing games, and that they were going for longer lifespan, so 2008 where they expected to sell up to 50 million units.
It sounded like crazy talk back then but makes perfect sense now.
And what's the revolution going to have that's going to make it worth splashing out again?
I can't think of a single thing that would make it worth the money.
All I wanted from the Gamecube was N64 quality games without the 64bit limitations, and bar a couple of very notable exceptions, I haven't gotten that out of it yet.
Call me sceptical, but until the revolution shows me a trully amazing attribute that makes it worth thinking about, I'm writing Nintendo off as being swallowed by the corporates.
And even if it impressed me enough to think that it could make it in the market, I can't see ANY reason why I'd want to buy one.
Especially seeing as the game prices would got back to that of a "new" consoles.
I guess this is aimed at you Dringo.
What could the Revolutionary have that could possibly make it worthwhile?
I know Nintendo CAN surprise, and they've done it before, but they've also disappointed before.
So tell me, what do YOU think that the revolution will offer that the Gamecube can't. The ONE thing I can imagine is online play, but that'll never compete with MS' service, besides they can still do it for the Gamecube with adaptors and all that.
Same goes for DS connectivity.
Can be done with the Gamecube.
Infact, every complaint I've had with Gamecube games was the value for money. Had Sunshine or Windwaker been only £15-£20, I wouldn't have felt ripped off in the least. I wouldn't have expected so much for my money and Nintendo wouldn't have to have pulled N64 scale miracles to satisfy me.
All these short and sweet games, they'd work so beautifully at a cheap price. Isn't a budget console everything Nintendo seem to have been building towards from day one?
Perhaps that's why information on the "revolution" is so rare.
Perhaps Nintendo are smart after all.
Bonus wrote:
> Just not enough good interesting games.
That's the PS2.. um.. right now.
> Just not enough good interesting games.
That's the PS2.. um.. right now.
The N64 was class.
If you couldn't find a good game on that console and are satisfied with the PS2 well... this just doesn't need finishing.
If you couldn't find a good game on that console and are satisfied with the PS2 well... this just doesn't need finishing.
Oh well Bonus, I think you are wrong as do million others.
I guess it's just your loss.
Nintendo don't have the finacial backing??? That's funny, their finaces is one of the reasons they can continue to keep going.
If you think just because something underperforms you should pull out then it is safe to say Bonus you'll not get anywhere in life.
I guess it's just your loss.
Nintendo don't have the finacial backing??? That's funny, their finaces is one of the reasons they can continue to keep going.
If you think just because something underperforms you should pull out then it is safe to say Bonus you'll not get anywhere in life.
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