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Sony have confirmed it. Blu-Ray will be a featured component in what is set to be their most lucrative bussiness move to date.
For those that don't know, DVD is already becoming outdated. Already you can get view high definition TV, that even surpasses that of DVD. In other words you can be watching Friday Night with Jonathan Ross and it'll look better than the latest Star Wars DVD's.
Does this seem right to you? No indeed it doesn't and 2 major companies also agree this. These 2 major companies have developed 2 new forms of movie media, Blu-Ray and HD-DVD.
Sony, along with a whole host of other top names, back the Blu-Ray medium to be the next big thing in home entertainment. It is a massive 50GB in size, looks pretty funky and with it being included in the Playstation 3 will autmatically put Blu-Ray in millions and millions of homes worldwide. Hollywood would almost have to support the Blu-Ray system simply because the popularity of the Playstation brand will mean millions will have the ability to play them already. Sony will add pressure with their Tri-star, Columbia and MGM studios... Spiderman, Terminator and Bond already on Blu-Ray. Watch the new system fly.
Unless something incredibly unlikely happens, such as the PSP flops and the PSTwo fails to start then it is likely Sony will be looking at a steam rolling win for the next generation of consoles.
There is one negative aspect of Blu-Ray. Because it doesn't use the simple red laser system for DVD's (something that is now very cheap to implement) and uses Blue laser, it'll mean the cost of the system will be jacked up. Either Sony will have to release it at a high price, wait an extra amount of time or just suffer a loss on the system. The latter isn't something Sony have ever been willing to do.
It is this PS3 decision that makes the Blu-Ray's competitor, the HD-DVD, look bad. Although the system is cheaper to implement the size of the medium is a mere 22GB, under half that of Blu-Ray.
But hope may remain. It is possible that Microsoft's next system, codenamed Xenon, will use it. Microsoft are desperate to release a cheap system out of the box and not to suffer the price point themselves like they are with the X-box. Already they are removing the Hard drive and to incorperate something like Blu-Ray will mean the Xenon will launch at a very high price. In fact Microsoft are hoping to get a years head start (late 2005) on the competiton and Blu-Ray will be even more expensive to use. If Microsoft want a competitive medium HD-DVD may be the only way.
Microsoft with the weaker system is almost a complete role reversal from the current generation.
What of Nintendo? Who honestly knows. No one. Rumours persist that Nintendo will continue to go their own way and buck the trend of the industry. It persists that Nintendo will play down third party support and stick to first party software, that Nintendo will use a totally new system and won't offer movie playback at all.
These rumours are counteracted with the DS almost entirely. Nintendo now base more emphesis on third parties especially with the latest system and the recent GBA Videos indicate Nintendo willingness to develop video viewing means.
But it is also likely that Nintendo will want to fight piracy in such a way that games will be on a totally different form of medium (A.K.A Gamecube/DS) but it is also likely Nintendo will offer a "second medium". Already confirmed is that the Revolution will be backwards compatible. Which points to the inclusion of either very cheap to implement DVD system or slightly more expensive "HD-DVD".
If both Nintendo and Microsoft use "HD-DVD" then there maybe trouble ahead for Blu-Ray after all. Sure Sony may have the sales advantage, but with Nintendo set to launch simultaneously with Sony and Microsoft a year early. It already kick starts a proper war between the two mediums.
On the other hand, with DVD gaining a firm position in society how likely is it that Blu-Ray and HD-DVD will be replacing it by 2006? Surly it'll take a good 5 years to properly take off? Is Nintendo likely to just stick with DVD movies? Especially as they lack the experience of it. But launching the system next to the Playstation 3 indicates that Nintendo are being really competitive this time, and they will want that to right down to the specifications and what the system offers.
Sony have a brilliant stratagy in place. Something Nintendo and Microsoft will have to be very clever to counteract. Recent reports indicate Nintendo are on the offensive, and it is likely we will see a far more agressive stance from the legendary developer... with the added bonus of brilliant and innovative "DS style" features. Microsoft are stripping down their system and offering in advance of the competiton. It is a surprise risk from Microsoft, hoping that releasing the system early will mean they get a stranglehold on the industry.
Didn't work for the Dreamcast did it.
For those that don't know, DVD is already becoming outdated. Already you can get view high definition TV, that even surpasses that of DVD. In other words you can be watching Friday Night with Jonathan Ross and it'll look better than the latest Star Wars DVD's.
Does this seem right to you? No indeed it doesn't and 2 major companies also agree this. These 2 major companies have developed 2 new forms of movie media, Blu-Ray and HD-DVD.
Sony, along with a whole host of other top names, back the Blu-Ray medium to be the next big thing in home entertainment. It is a massive 50GB in size, looks pretty funky and with it being included in the Playstation 3 will autmatically put Blu-Ray in millions and millions of homes worldwide. Hollywood would almost have to support the Blu-Ray system simply because the popularity of the Playstation brand will mean millions will have the ability to play them already. Sony will add pressure with their Tri-star, Columbia and MGM studios... Spiderman, Terminator and Bond already on Blu-Ray. Watch the new system fly.
Unless something incredibly unlikely happens, such as the PSP flops and the PSTwo fails to start then it is likely Sony will be looking at a steam rolling win for the next generation of consoles.
There is one negative aspect of Blu-Ray. Because it doesn't use the simple red laser system for DVD's (something that is now very cheap to implement) and uses Blue laser, it'll mean the cost of the system will be jacked up. Either Sony will have to release it at a high price, wait an extra amount of time or just suffer a loss on the system. The latter isn't something Sony have ever been willing to do.
It is this PS3 decision that makes the Blu-Ray's competitor, the HD-DVD, look bad. Although the system is cheaper to implement the size of the medium is a mere 22GB, under half that of Blu-Ray.
But hope may remain. It is possible that Microsoft's next system, codenamed Xenon, will use it. Microsoft are desperate to release a cheap system out of the box and not to suffer the price point themselves like they are with the X-box. Already they are removing the Hard drive and to incorperate something like Blu-Ray will mean the Xenon will launch at a very high price. In fact Microsoft are hoping to get a years head start (late 2005) on the competiton and Blu-Ray will be even more expensive to use. If Microsoft want a competitive medium HD-DVD may be the only way.
Microsoft with the weaker system is almost a complete role reversal from the current generation.
What of Nintendo? Who honestly knows. No one. Rumours persist that Nintendo will continue to go their own way and buck the trend of the industry. It persists that Nintendo will play down third party support and stick to first party software, that Nintendo will use a totally new system and won't offer movie playback at all.
These rumours are counteracted with the DS almost entirely. Nintendo now base more emphesis on third parties especially with the latest system and the recent GBA Videos indicate Nintendo willingness to develop video viewing means.
But it is also likely that Nintendo will want to fight piracy in such a way that games will be on a totally different form of medium (A.K.A Gamecube/DS) but it is also likely Nintendo will offer a "second medium". Already confirmed is that the Revolution will be backwards compatible. Which points to the inclusion of either very cheap to implement DVD system or slightly more expensive "HD-DVD".
If both Nintendo and Microsoft use "HD-DVD" then there maybe trouble ahead for Blu-Ray after all. Sure Sony may have the sales advantage, but with Nintendo set to launch simultaneously with Sony and Microsoft a year early. It already kick starts a proper war between the two mediums.
On the other hand, with DVD gaining a firm position in society how likely is it that Blu-Ray and HD-DVD will be replacing it by 2006? Surly it'll take a good 5 years to properly take off? Is Nintendo likely to just stick with DVD movies? Especially as they lack the experience of it. But launching the system next to the Playstation 3 indicates that Nintendo are being really competitive this time, and they will want that to right down to the specifications and what the system offers.
Sony have a brilliant stratagy in place. Something Nintendo and Microsoft will have to be very clever to counteract. Recent reports indicate Nintendo are on the offensive, and it is likely we will see a far more agressive stance from the legendary developer... with the added bonus of brilliant and innovative "DS style" features. Microsoft are stripping down their system and offering in advance of the competiton. It is a surprise risk from Microsoft, hoping that releasing the system early will mean they get a stranglehold on the industry.
Didn't work for the Dreamcast did it.
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Dringo wrote:
> Strafio your idea is flawed, dangerous and well stupid.
:-)
> It would annoy millions if Nintendo said they weren't entering the
> next console war, including me and including 99% of this forum.
They'd be 3 times as annoyed to splash out £250 kitting up a new system only to find that the Gamecube they spend £250 a couple of years ago could've done most of these games just fine.
Except they can launch missiles by talking now.
> Releasing a cheap system sells a bit, but the PSONE hasn't sold that
> much really. It is the cheap system of today and the profits are
> tiny.
That's because the PSOne is obselete.
Potential dried up before it was replaced.
As was the Saturn.
As was the N64.
The Dreamcast was the first console to die pre-maturely.
> There is already storage problems with the Gamecube so its limits are
> already being tested. And I doubt the games can get much better
> looking than Resident Evil 4 and the next Zelda title.
Not hugely better looking, no. But do they need to be?
Is it worth spending a small fortune for?
Just so you only have to insert one disk instead of two?!?! :-O
> Maybe the Gamecube could do with an extra year on its life, allowing
> for a cream of the best looking software and serious online options.
> But that's not happening.
>
> Revolution is coming, Gamecube doesn't sell that well. It could pick
> up next year but for the time being the Gamecube is a failing
> console. Nintendo need to prepare properly a launch for a new system,
> talk extensivly with third parties and prepare the first few years of
> their next system to perfection and get it almost 100% right in order
> to continue the fight against Sony.
So what makes you think that the Revolution is going to be any better.
I can see MS and Sony's plans and it's almost exclusively online based.
Are Nintendo going to tussle with home entertainment experts Sony in building an all-round machine, or are they going to try and top the MSN network?
Or are they going to deliver the worst of all worlds with a new expensive console with all the superficial goodies in the world but nothing really special.
Sure, I don't know for sure what Nintendo are up to.
There's a chance they've got something really big up their sleeve, but what evidence is there of that actually happening?
All I've got to go on is there performance over the last few years.
The DS surprised me pleasantly so maybe there is hope.
But everything else points to them being swallowed - nice quirky idea's but nothing special enough to capture's peoples hearts and wallets.
> The Gamecube isn't a dead horse, but it'll come limping over the
> line... and flogging it will do no good at all.
No. It's an infant that's still growing. But instead of letting it mature into a Stallion, Nintendo seem to want to get rid of it and buy another Calf and start again.
> Strafio your idea is flawed, dangerous and well stupid.
:-)
> It would annoy millions if Nintendo said they weren't entering the
> next console war, including me and including 99% of this forum.
They'd be 3 times as annoyed to splash out £250 kitting up a new system only to find that the Gamecube they spend £250 a couple of years ago could've done most of these games just fine.
Except they can launch missiles by talking now.
> Releasing a cheap system sells a bit, but the PSONE hasn't sold that
> much really. It is the cheap system of today and the profits are
> tiny.
That's because the PSOne is obselete.
Potential dried up before it was replaced.
As was the Saturn.
As was the N64.
The Dreamcast was the first console to die pre-maturely.
> There is already storage problems with the Gamecube so its limits are
> already being tested. And I doubt the games can get much better
> looking than Resident Evil 4 and the next Zelda title.
Not hugely better looking, no. But do they need to be?
Is it worth spending a small fortune for?
Just so you only have to insert one disk instead of two?!?! :-O
> Maybe the Gamecube could do with an extra year on its life, allowing
> for a cream of the best looking software and serious online options.
> But that's not happening.
>
> Revolution is coming, Gamecube doesn't sell that well. It could pick
> up next year but for the time being the Gamecube is a failing
> console. Nintendo need to prepare properly a launch for a new system,
> talk extensivly with third parties and prepare the first few years of
> their next system to perfection and get it almost 100% right in order
> to continue the fight against Sony.
So what makes you think that the Revolution is going to be any better.
I can see MS and Sony's plans and it's almost exclusively online based.
Are Nintendo going to tussle with home entertainment experts Sony in building an all-round machine, or are they going to try and top the MSN network?
Or are they going to deliver the worst of all worlds with a new expensive console with all the superficial goodies in the world but nothing really special.
Sure, I don't know for sure what Nintendo are up to.
There's a chance they've got something really big up their sleeve, but what evidence is there of that actually happening?
All I've got to go on is there performance over the last few years.
The DS surprised me pleasantly so maybe there is hope.
But everything else points to them being swallowed - nice quirky idea's but nothing special enough to capture's peoples hearts and wallets.
> The Gamecube isn't a dead horse, but it'll come limping over the
> line... and flogging it will do no good at all.
No. It's an infant that's still growing. But instead of letting it mature into a Stallion, Nintendo seem to want to get rid of it and buy another Calf and start again.
Dringo wrote:
> Gaybys that was my point, Bonus did it so I did it right back at him!
Oh, I see.
I couldn't be bothered reading all those huge posts, that bit just caught my eye.
Never mind me.
> Gaybys that was my point, Bonus did it so I did it right back at him!
Oh, I see.
I couldn't be bothered reading all those huge posts, that bit just caught my eye.
Never mind me.
Strafio your idea is flawed, dangerous and well stupid.
It would annoy millions if Nintendo said they weren't entering the next console war, including me and including 99% of this forum.
Releasing a cheap system sells a bit, but the PSONE hasn't sold that much really. It is the cheap system of today and the profits are tiny.
There is already storage problems with the Gamecube so its limits are already being tested. And I doubt the games can get much better looking than Resident Evil 4 and the next Zelda title.
Maybe the Gamecube could do with an extra year on its life, allowing for a cream of the best looking software and serious online options. But that's not happening.
Revolution is coming, Gamecube doesn't sell that well. It could pick up next year but for the time being the Gamecube is a failing console. Nintendo need to prepare properly a launch for a new system, talk extensivly with third parties and prepare the first few years of their next system to perfection and get it almost 100% right in order to continue the fight against Sony.
The Gamecube isn't a dead horse, but it'll come limping over the line... and flogging it will do no good at all.
It would annoy millions if Nintendo said they weren't entering the next console war, including me and including 99% of this forum.
Releasing a cheap system sells a bit, but the PSONE hasn't sold that much really. It is the cheap system of today and the profits are tiny.
There is already storage problems with the Gamecube so its limits are already being tested. And I doubt the games can get much better looking than Resident Evil 4 and the next Zelda title.
Maybe the Gamecube could do with an extra year on its life, allowing for a cream of the best looking software and serious online options. But that's not happening.
Revolution is coming, Gamecube doesn't sell that well. It could pick up next year but for the time being the Gamecube is a failing console. Nintendo need to prepare properly a launch for a new system, talk extensivly with third parties and prepare the first few years of their next system to perfection and get it almost 100% right in order to continue the fight against Sony.
The Gamecube isn't a dead horse, but it'll come limping over the line... and flogging it will do no good at all.
Gaybys that was my point, Bonus did it so I did it right back at him!
Dringo wrote:
> So, for the PS2 we have
>
> GTA: San Andreas
> Pro Evo 4
> Devil May Cry 3
> GT4
>
> Xbox:
>
> Fable (released yesterday)
> Outrun 2
> Pro Evo 4
> Halo 2
>
> Gamecube:
>
> Paper Mario 2
Taking out the ones that aren't interesting (to me) and Prince of Persia (since it's on all three), I pick Xbox.
That doesn't mean you're wrong, it just means that other people might not agree with your opinion.
You can't say that one console "wins" over another.
> So, for the PS2 we have
>
> GTA: San Andreas
> Pro Evo 4
> Devil May Cry 3
> GT4
>
> Xbox:
>
> Fable (released yesterday)
> Outrun 2
> Pro Evo 4
> Halo 2
>
> Gamecube:
>
> Paper Mario 2
Taking out the ones that aren't interesting (to me) and Prince of Persia (since it's on all three), I pick Xbox.
That doesn't mean you're wrong, it just means that other people might not agree with your opinion.
You can't say that one console "wins" over another.
Dringo wrote:
> Strafio if we had it your way we would never have got Metroid Prime,
> we'd all be sick of playing Crash Bandicoot with Barrells on a really
> old games system.
We'd've gotten a different Metroid Prime and I think we'd both agree that my idea of Donkey Kong 64 was better than Rare's one!
> If Nintendo stuck with the Gamecube rather than continuing with
> another console I know I'd have to get an Xenon just so I can play
> the most up to date third party titles.
There's nothing wrong with that.
You were probably going to get one for Conker anysway! :-P
> How many third parties will be willing to release games for the
> Gamecube???
Not sure. It would be attractive to companies that don't want to spend a fortune investing in the latest technology and just release budget games.
But Nintendo wouldn't need as many third party games because they'd be making the money from their own.
The only reason they need them now is because they are trying to "compete" with the big boys. Once they take that budget market, no more competition.
> How many Nintendo fans will be willing to stick by Nintendo and not
> go elsewhere???
Doesn't matter. Nintendo don't need people sticking to them.
If they were to buy and Xbox and PS2, would that stop them from buying the next Zelda or Mario game?
> How many people are willing to spend money on a small console as well
> as a large one as you seem to insist???
Seeing as the small one is about the same price as a single game from the large ones, and that the games will be about half the price...
> What next after the Gamecube does reach its limits then???
Then Nintendo will be fully aware of these limits and make the next move properly. Now there's a slight chance that they've already done this, but I doubt that as I've yet to see a SINGLE Gamecube game that has so much as HINTED technical problems.
> If I had a Playstation 3 a Gamecube would not appeal to me one bit,
> how to you propose Nintendo would counter-act this problem???
Wouldn't they?
Why not?
Maybe they wouldn't feel as new, but for such a fraction of the price?
And it depends - what is the PS3 going to do to make the Gamecube so out of date. Make the graphics look even better? Is that going to make them worth double the price?
> How many retailers will be willing to stock Nintendo products in the
> wake of more superior machines???
If it's selling then there's always be a place for it.
The N64 and Saturn were selling long after their demise.
> How will Nintendo advertise the software considering how inferior
> they look in comparison to the competiton???
That's the point. It won't really look that inferior.
> Nintendo would have to really start buying companies if they want to
> support an inferior system all by themselves just to keep the games
> going surly this is a big risk to take???
Not as big as making a brand new console and starting from scratch.
Besides, who says it needs serious support. Sure, there wouldn't be as many titles from third parties, but there's such a back catalogue that gamers have LOADS to chose from already.
Also, Nintendo will have LOADS more devellopment material so they'll be able to make games a lot more quickly and effectively.
And because the games are cheap they don't have to worry about making them mind blowers.
It'll be like their Gameboy marketing.
Nintendo need the third party support a LOT more if they're trying to compete with the big boys, and that's almost pointless because they've lost that one already.
Besides, I bet there's loads of companies who would love to release nice low key budget games. Beyond Good and Evil is a great example of this.
Shamefully, I've heard it perhaps hasn't performed so well, but it's a step forward.
> Think about it Strafio???
>
> It's ridiculous!
It's ridiculous to think that the Gamecube will be the market leader, but it's just as ridiculous to think that the N5 will be any better.
It'll just be more expensive with nicer graphics.
And what will Nintendo do with it to make it worth buying, that MS and Sony won't be doing better.
Use Biggles' analogy.
Would anyone ever boast to you about their 14" TV or the Widescreen with surround sound in their large. Yet which one will they use the most?
By the time the new breed comes out, if Nintendo get their marketing in order they could be selling new games for £20 and have hundreds of classics for just £10.
Perhaps people would think twice about paying £50 for the next GTA or Halo when they can see that they could get Super Smash Brothers Melee, F Zero X, Mario Sunshine, Zelda Windwaker and Super Mario Kart Double Dash for the same price.
I doubt they'd change their minds, but they'd need to think about it.
That would be for the 1st class titles.
When they compared the Nintendo deals to a "new" game that wasn't so hot...
> Strafio if we had it your way we would never have got Metroid Prime,
> we'd all be sick of playing Crash Bandicoot with Barrells on a really
> old games system.
We'd've gotten a different Metroid Prime and I think we'd both agree that my idea of Donkey Kong 64 was better than Rare's one!
> If Nintendo stuck with the Gamecube rather than continuing with
> another console I know I'd have to get an Xenon just so I can play
> the most up to date third party titles.
There's nothing wrong with that.
You were probably going to get one for Conker anysway! :-P
> How many third parties will be willing to release games for the
> Gamecube???
Not sure. It would be attractive to companies that don't want to spend a fortune investing in the latest technology and just release budget games.
But Nintendo wouldn't need as many third party games because they'd be making the money from their own.
The only reason they need them now is because they are trying to "compete" with the big boys. Once they take that budget market, no more competition.
> How many Nintendo fans will be willing to stick by Nintendo and not
> go elsewhere???
Doesn't matter. Nintendo don't need people sticking to them.
If they were to buy and Xbox and PS2, would that stop them from buying the next Zelda or Mario game?
> How many people are willing to spend money on a small console as well
> as a large one as you seem to insist???
Seeing as the small one is about the same price as a single game from the large ones, and that the games will be about half the price...
> What next after the Gamecube does reach its limits then???
Then Nintendo will be fully aware of these limits and make the next move properly. Now there's a slight chance that they've already done this, but I doubt that as I've yet to see a SINGLE Gamecube game that has so much as HINTED technical problems.
> If I had a Playstation 3 a Gamecube would not appeal to me one bit,
> how to you propose Nintendo would counter-act this problem???
Wouldn't they?
Why not?
Maybe they wouldn't feel as new, but for such a fraction of the price?
And it depends - what is the PS3 going to do to make the Gamecube so out of date. Make the graphics look even better? Is that going to make them worth double the price?
> How many retailers will be willing to stock Nintendo products in the
> wake of more superior machines???
If it's selling then there's always be a place for it.
The N64 and Saturn were selling long after their demise.
> How will Nintendo advertise the software considering how inferior
> they look in comparison to the competiton???
That's the point. It won't really look that inferior.
> Nintendo would have to really start buying companies if they want to
> support an inferior system all by themselves just to keep the games
> going surly this is a big risk to take???
Not as big as making a brand new console and starting from scratch.
Besides, who says it needs serious support. Sure, there wouldn't be as many titles from third parties, but there's such a back catalogue that gamers have LOADS to chose from already.
Also, Nintendo will have LOADS more devellopment material so they'll be able to make games a lot more quickly and effectively.
And because the games are cheap they don't have to worry about making them mind blowers.
It'll be like their Gameboy marketing.
Nintendo need the third party support a LOT more if they're trying to compete with the big boys, and that's almost pointless because they've lost that one already.
Besides, I bet there's loads of companies who would love to release nice low key budget games. Beyond Good and Evil is a great example of this.
Shamefully, I've heard it perhaps hasn't performed so well, but it's a step forward.
> Think about it Strafio???
>
> It's ridiculous!
It's ridiculous to think that the Gamecube will be the market leader, but it's just as ridiculous to think that the N5 will be any better.
It'll just be more expensive with nicer graphics.
And what will Nintendo do with it to make it worth buying, that MS and Sony won't be doing better.
Use Biggles' analogy.
Would anyone ever boast to you about their 14" TV or the Widescreen with surround sound in their large. Yet which one will they use the most?
By the time the new breed comes out, if Nintendo get their marketing in order they could be selling new games for £20 and have hundreds of classics for just £10.
Perhaps people would think twice about paying £50 for the next GTA or Halo when they can see that they could get Super Smash Brothers Melee, F Zero X, Mario Sunshine, Zelda Windwaker and Super Mario Kart Double Dash for the same price.
I doubt they'd change their minds, but they'd need to think about it.
That would be for the 1st class titles.
When they compared the Nintendo deals to a "new" game that wasn't so hot...
Dringo wrote:
> I was referring to his early argument that Nintendo should just give
> up because third parties don't trust Nintendo.
That was perhaps a bit extremest, but the point more was that Nintendo can't win the hardware rat race. This is becoming a coorporate war where the opponents throw assets at each other in order to win the monopoly.
Nintendo have stable assets, yes.
In the same league as MS or Sony? Nopes.
> I personally think they are in a better position than they have been
> for ten years when it comes to third parties. Some maybe cautious.
> But every third party publisher has released a game for the Gamecube.
They're in a better position than ever with third parties, but is it too little too late?
Sure the Gamecube gets it's gems but the cream of third party games go elsewhere, and even then a lot of the GC's good stuff is old news on other platforms.
Also, this is the first time that third parties have been essential.
I mean, back in the days of the Nes, Snes and N64, Nintendo games were THE hottest games out there. Nintendo just aren't fashionable enough anymore to make it on their own material, not make it in the way the used to anysway.
As the collapse of some major games companies has shown, the expansion boom is over. Now it needs to stablise and consolidate.
Everything that Nintendo have been spouting about for the last 3 years is coming true. The thing is, I'm beginning to think they've lost confidence in their own instincts and are going in the direction of tailing Sony and Microsoft.
Time will tell.
> I was referring to his early argument that Nintendo should just give
> up because third parties don't trust Nintendo.
That was perhaps a bit extremest, but the point more was that Nintendo can't win the hardware rat race. This is becoming a coorporate war where the opponents throw assets at each other in order to win the monopoly.
Nintendo have stable assets, yes.
In the same league as MS or Sony? Nopes.
> I personally think they are in a better position than they have been
> for ten years when it comes to third parties. Some maybe cautious.
> But every third party publisher has released a game for the Gamecube.
They're in a better position than ever with third parties, but is it too little too late?
Sure the Gamecube gets it's gems but the cream of third party games go elsewhere, and even then a lot of the GC's good stuff is old news on other platforms.
Also, this is the first time that third parties have been essential.
I mean, back in the days of the Nes, Snes and N64, Nintendo games were THE hottest games out there. Nintendo just aren't fashionable enough anymore to make it on their own material, not make it in the way the used to anysway.
As the collapse of some major games companies has shown, the expansion boom is over. Now it needs to stablise and consolidate.
Everything that Nintendo have been spouting about for the last 3 years is coming true. The thing is, I'm beginning to think they've lost confidence in their own instincts and are going in the direction of tailing Sony and Microsoft.
Time will tell.
Strafio if we had it your way we would never have got Metroid Prime, we'd all be sick of playing Crash Bandicoot with Barrells on a really old games system.
If Nintendo stuck with the Gamecube rather than continuing with another console I know I'd have to get an Xenon just so I can play the most up to date third party titles.
How many third parties will be willing to release games for the Gamecube???
How many Nintendo fans will be willing to stick by Nintendo and not go elsewhere???
How many people are willing to spend money on a small console as well as a large one as you seem to insist???
What next after the Gamecube does reach its limits then???
If I had a Playstation 3 a Gamecube would not appeal to me one bit, how to you propose Nintendo would counter-act this problem???
How many retailers will be willing to stock Nintendo products in the wake of more superior machines???
How will Nintendo advertise the software considering how inferior they look in comparison to the competiton???
Nintendo would have to really start buying companies if they want to support an inferior system all by themselves just to keep the games going surly this is a big risk to take???
Think about it Strafio???
It's ridiculous!
If Nintendo stuck with the Gamecube rather than continuing with another console I know I'd have to get an Xenon just so I can play the most up to date third party titles.
How many third parties will be willing to release games for the Gamecube???
How many Nintendo fans will be willing to stick by Nintendo and not go elsewhere???
How many people are willing to spend money on a small console as well as a large one as you seem to insist???
What next after the Gamecube does reach its limits then???
If I had a Playstation 3 a Gamecube would not appeal to me one bit, how to you propose Nintendo would counter-act this problem???
How many retailers will be willing to stock Nintendo products in the wake of more superior machines???
How will Nintendo advertise the software considering how inferior they look in comparison to the competiton???
Nintendo would have to really start buying companies if they want to support an inferior system all by themselves just to keep the games going surly this is a big risk to take???
Think about it Strafio???
It's ridiculous!
By the by, that list was the games reviewed in one magazine.
So it seems that the general idea is that more interest is being put into the PS2 titles while the Gamecube only gets 3 or so mentions.
But if they play it my way, none of this will matter.
So it seems that the general idea is that more interest is being put into the PS2 titles while the Gamecube only gets 3 or so mentions.
But if they play it my way, none of this will matter.
I was referring to his early argument that Nintendo should just give up because third parties don't trust Nintendo.
I personally think they are in a better position than they have been for ten years when it comes to third parties. Some maybe cautious. But every third party publisher has released a game for the Gamecube.
I personally think they are in a better position than they have been for ten years when it comes to third parties. Some maybe cautious. But every third party publisher has released a game for the Gamecube.
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