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Sat 16/07/05 at 15:16
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Right, I may be reading too far into this, but did Oh Dae-Su ever leave the cell? The only time we ever see him outside is during the hypnosis session, when he's suddenly on the roof with a suitcase! Where did that come from? Is it possible the whole thing was in his mind as some elaborate control experiment to keep him mentally sound? Lots of unanswered questions that support my theory, not going to nerd over it, just wondering if anyone else got that impression.

Whatever, it's a really, really good film, and I encourage all y'all to rent it.

EDIT: I'll have to watch it again before it goes back, I kept noticing little hints here and there to suggest it's all set-up to push him in certain directions.
Sun 17/07/05 at 22:40
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Meh! I probably over rambled a bit. :-)

Strafio wrote:
> Then he hypnotises them both so they both fall in love without
> realising they've been set up. Now she is old enough and they are
> both hypnotised, the "game" is set so he is set free onto
> the roof to start,
and so the relationship starts while Dae-Su is
> trying to find out what's going on.

Basically, they keep him in a room for 15 years while they set things up, and once things are set up and ready to go, the release him and it all starts. :-)
Sun 17/07/05 at 10:08
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Strafio wrote:
> What happens in this film

Er...yeah, that's what happens. I was on about the possibility that it was all part of the hypnosis session. I've accepted now that they put him in the suitcase and let him out on the roof, and it wasn't symbolic of anything, or part of the hypnosis.

> Poor Dae-Su... one careless bit of gossip and... :-)

Should have bit his tongue, etc.
Sun 17/07/05 at 00:43
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Before you read this, remember that the title said DEFINATE SPOILERS!! :-)

It seemed to make sense to me.
Basically, some guy got incestuous with his sister and Dae-Su caught them and spread it around. This lead to rumours leading to this sister thinking that she was pregnant which ended up in her brother killing her.

This left him messed up and vengeful for the rest of his life.
He blamed Dae-Su and wanted revenge.
It so happens that he ends up rich and powerful enough to do so.
So he kidnaps Dae-Su and keeps him in that room for 15 years during which time he kills the with and adopts the infant child.

Then he hypnotises them both so they both fall in love without realising they've been set up. Now she is old enough and they are both hypnotised, the "game" is set so he is set free onto the roof to start, and so the relationship starts while Dae-Su is trying to find out what's going on.
Then this guy eventually breaks it to him that he's been screwing his own daughter as revenge for the whole sister thing, showing him what it's like...

He threatens to reveal this to Dae-Su's daughter who then starts pathetically begging him not to and even cuts out his gossiping tongue. He then realises that his revenge is complete and shoots himself.

Dae-Su is then last seen begging the hypnotist to erase his memory of knowing that it was his daughter so he can go back to laying with her in blissful ignorance. There were other controls and set-ups but I think they were mainly designed to lead Dae-Su to the guy as planned...

That's what I made from it anyway.
Poor Dae-Su... one careless bit of gossip and... :-)
Sat 16/07/05 at 20:20
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He doesn't know he has done it.
Sat 16/07/05 at 20:14
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Mr Snuggly wrote:
> If it was all an exercise in keeping him under control, and never
> really happened, then why bother with the melodrama of constructing a
> story about him sleeping with his daughter?

Because they're messing with his brain. Why would he try to escape the cell if he thinks he's done something like that?
Sat 16/07/05 at 20:03
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Asians - the most flexible race ever.
Sat 16/07/05 at 18:25
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He's not given a suitcase, they put him inside a suitcase and leave him on the roof. It ensures that if he wakes up, he won't see where he's been so he won't find them, and also makes him much easier to carry.
Sat 16/07/05 at 18:10
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Because the incest on its own would sell the DVD in Korea?
Sat 16/07/05 at 18:06
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If it was all an exercise in keeping him under control, and never really happened, then why bother with the melodrama of constructing a story about him sleeping with his daughter?
Sat 16/07/05 at 15:59
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Wasn't he given the suitcase? Thats what I thought, buts its been a while since I saw it.

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