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I've just read one of the most fascinating articles on IGN.
The reason it did was because it was staring me straight in the face, a concept developing in my mind and there it was. The entire problem surrounding Nintendo's fall from grace. In a collection of words on a page.
It started to play on my mind when the latest DS title was announced. Super Princess Peach, a tongue in cheek role reversal of Nintendo's classic Mario franchise. The game could well be an innovative and enjoyable new franchise. But it isn't. Not really. Instead it is placed along Nintendo's other DS franchises. These are Animal Crossing DS, Wario Ware DS, Mario Kart DS, Mario Brothers DS, Mario 64 DS, Metroid Prime: Hunters, four swords, Pokemon Dash, Yoshi's Touch and go... and so forth.
All of the above titles try to use (and probably succeed) a new and original form of gameplay. Yet they all, every one of them, share a common issue. They are all established Nintendo franchises. Why could Nintendo not call "Yoshi's Touch and Go" something totally different and remove Mario and Yoshi. Introduce a few new characters. Suddenly a new world is born, suddenly a new franchise is born... Yoshi and Mario could help the game to sell well but... we will never truly know.
It is funny how Nintendo are trying to release the most innovative game system ever... and yet they have not got one original game in the line up. SEGA's XY/XX feel the magic, is in fact the only game I see that isn't a new breed of an old franchise.
You see I, you and the legions of avid Nintendo followers love Nintendo for Mario, for Pokemon and for Zelda. So Nintendo continue to keep their forever falling fan base happy with new iterations of Mario and Zelda. Yet by not making a new "Mario" or a new "Pokemon" how can Nintendo ever hope to expand their fan base?
Metroid Prime was Nintendo "re-inventing" the Metroid brand. It was clever and the game is genius. Introducing the gaming world to something totally new. So why Metroid? Strafio, a massive Metroid fan from these very forums, still craves for a third person action platformer. Was it beyond Nintendo's capacity to make this? This would have satisfied the fan base. And what of Metroid Prime? Well did we have to have Samus in it? Did it have to be based around the Metroid universe?
Sure, Metroid Prime may not have sold as much if Samus and his enemies were not part of the game. And yet I feel we could have seen the birth of a brand new killer Nintendo franchise. Metroid could take the crown from Tomb Raider in the action platform sides of things. Whilst this new innovative First Person Adventure from Nintendo will make Perfect Dark a distant memory.
I shall present Zelda as my next example. A perfectly lovely realistic Zelda would have kept all Nintendo gamers happy. But the Wind Waker ruled did it not? The Wind Waker was a great new addition to the series. Yet why did it have to be Zelda? Could we not have seen a new adventure title from Nintendo? Even an RPG game! A cartoon RPG is a good idea (Namco did it). It did not have to be Zelda. It could have been a different game. A whole new series of Nintendo titles. Maybe next year we'd have the cel-shaded new adventure RPG and a new Zelda game. And the series' need not have anything to do with eachother.
Pokemon saved Nintendo back in 1996 as sales started to fall. It was Nintendo "being original". There was no Mario. There was no Zelda. This was something new. This was to attract new gamers. This was a new game. And like Mario and Zelda before it. It was huge. Now though we do not get that. We get Nintendo putting all their money, resources and efforts into keeping the fan base happy with a new Mario title or a new "Zelda Four Swords adventure". If Nintendo can keep 2 20-year-old franchises such as Mario and Zelda feeling fresh imagine what they could do with a new idea? Imagine if they were asked to make a Bongo action game that had nothing to do with Donkey Kong? We'd be looking at a totally new franchise at the beginning of next year.
What could Nintendo create with that sort of freedom on the Gamecube? Let me tell you. Pikmin. Pikmin started life as a demo featuring 100 Mario's. Imagine if that had stayed the same. Imagine if Olimar was a big Mario and the Pikmin were hundreds of little Mario’s/Luigi's and Peach's being directed to do various tasks to defeat Bowser. Indeed the game would still be original and fun. But instead we got a different world. New characters, a new franchise, new iconography and new landscapes. We got a whole new Nintendo game. One that can stand besides Mario/Zelda and Pokemon as a game that had NOTHING to do with another game. Olimar was never a baddie in Mario Land and Pikmin was never a Pokemon.
This is what Nintendo need. New games. New franchises. They don't HAVE to be adult either, might be helpful but hardly essential. Why does Wario Ware have Wario in it? Is he needed? Why did Dinosaur Planet have Fox in it? It was obviously not a Starfox game!
Nintendo are scared. Releasing a totally new game could mean a disaster. A flop. Would Viewtiful Joe have sold through the roof if it were a Megaman game? Hell yes. But would it be a new franchise on which Capcom can build on? No it could not.
Nintendo tried widening its appeal with new games. Metal Gear and Resident Evil remakes are a prime example. Yet these two games are still "old" games. Nintendo should never have bought the Resident Evil games because they had Eternal Darkness. This game could have been a new Nintendo franchise. An ideal new Nintendo franchise. As it happens it was never needed. It would never sell. Capcom's famous survival horror put pay to that.
RARE were never scared to release a new game. They did sequels too but next to the release of Banjo Tooie came Conker's Bad Fur Day. Next to Donkey Kong 64 came Jet Force Gemini. Besides Killer Instinct Gold there was Blast Corps and Goldeneye. Some were sequels. Most were totally new franchises that branched out to new gamers. What would the N64 have been without RARE? What new franchise did Nintendo create themselves? If it wasn't for the fact Nintendo's brand faces were moving into 3D we would all have wondered "what's new?" Just like we are now. If Nintendo still had RARE we would have had Grabbed by the Gholies and Kameo by now. 2 completley original and new games.
X-box gamers are lucky. Loads of totally new games to play, Knights of the Old Republic was a success, Blinx a failure but an attempt at least... and the biggest success story of this generation. Halo. A game that was so totally fresh that nearly every gamer in the world wants to own it. Even Sony, with Ico, the eye toy games, Rachet and Clank and Sly Cooper can risk a new franchise.
Are Nintendo just a bunch old golden oldies? Making nice games with the same faces over and over again? Are Nintendo out of touch? No I don't think so. Shigeru Miyamoto, a guy that made the original Donkey Kong game decades ago, made Pikmin. He hasn't lost it. He can still create a new world to exploit. A New World to delve into and explore.
Retro, Nintendo's latest acquisition, is one of Nintendo's greatest properties. Metroid Prime is almost a totally new franchise. Sure the name is the same but the game is not. Retro are original and Nintendo need to expand this team and bring Raven Blade and the companies back to the release schedule. Rare, Left Field and Silicon Knights have gone. It was a stupid mistake by the big N. But if only Nintendo themselves can make something new.
Nintendo are innovators. They were once the driving force in the gaming industry. Introducing new characters and new ideas. Now they are just a company growing old. Making the same great games... we need new great games.
Wake up Nintendo.
The reason it did was because it was staring me straight in the face, a concept developing in my mind and there it was. The entire problem surrounding Nintendo's fall from grace. In a collection of words on a page.
It started to play on my mind when the latest DS title was announced. Super Princess Peach, a tongue in cheek role reversal of Nintendo's classic Mario franchise. The game could well be an innovative and enjoyable new franchise. But it isn't. Not really. Instead it is placed along Nintendo's other DS franchises. These are Animal Crossing DS, Wario Ware DS, Mario Kart DS, Mario Brothers DS, Mario 64 DS, Metroid Prime: Hunters, four swords, Pokemon Dash, Yoshi's Touch and go... and so forth.
All of the above titles try to use (and probably succeed) a new and original form of gameplay. Yet they all, every one of them, share a common issue. They are all established Nintendo franchises. Why could Nintendo not call "Yoshi's Touch and Go" something totally different and remove Mario and Yoshi. Introduce a few new characters. Suddenly a new world is born, suddenly a new franchise is born... Yoshi and Mario could help the game to sell well but... we will never truly know.
It is funny how Nintendo are trying to release the most innovative game system ever... and yet they have not got one original game in the line up. SEGA's XY/XX feel the magic, is in fact the only game I see that isn't a new breed of an old franchise.
You see I, you and the legions of avid Nintendo followers love Nintendo for Mario, for Pokemon and for Zelda. So Nintendo continue to keep their forever falling fan base happy with new iterations of Mario and Zelda. Yet by not making a new "Mario" or a new "Pokemon" how can Nintendo ever hope to expand their fan base?
Metroid Prime was Nintendo "re-inventing" the Metroid brand. It was clever and the game is genius. Introducing the gaming world to something totally new. So why Metroid? Strafio, a massive Metroid fan from these very forums, still craves for a third person action platformer. Was it beyond Nintendo's capacity to make this? This would have satisfied the fan base. And what of Metroid Prime? Well did we have to have Samus in it? Did it have to be based around the Metroid universe?
Sure, Metroid Prime may not have sold as much if Samus and his enemies were not part of the game. And yet I feel we could have seen the birth of a brand new killer Nintendo franchise. Metroid could take the crown from Tomb Raider in the action platform sides of things. Whilst this new innovative First Person Adventure from Nintendo will make Perfect Dark a distant memory.
I shall present Zelda as my next example. A perfectly lovely realistic Zelda would have kept all Nintendo gamers happy. But the Wind Waker ruled did it not? The Wind Waker was a great new addition to the series. Yet why did it have to be Zelda? Could we not have seen a new adventure title from Nintendo? Even an RPG game! A cartoon RPG is a good idea (Namco did it). It did not have to be Zelda. It could have been a different game. A whole new series of Nintendo titles. Maybe next year we'd have the cel-shaded new adventure RPG and a new Zelda game. And the series' need not have anything to do with eachother.
Pokemon saved Nintendo back in 1996 as sales started to fall. It was Nintendo "being original". There was no Mario. There was no Zelda. This was something new. This was to attract new gamers. This was a new game. And like Mario and Zelda before it. It was huge. Now though we do not get that. We get Nintendo putting all their money, resources and efforts into keeping the fan base happy with a new Mario title or a new "Zelda Four Swords adventure". If Nintendo can keep 2 20-year-old franchises such as Mario and Zelda feeling fresh imagine what they could do with a new idea? Imagine if they were asked to make a Bongo action game that had nothing to do with Donkey Kong? We'd be looking at a totally new franchise at the beginning of next year.
What could Nintendo create with that sort of freedom on the Gamecube? Let me tell you. Pikmin. Pikmin started life as a demo featuring 100 Mario's. Imagine if that had stayed the same. Imagine if Olimar was a big Mario and the Pikmin were hundreds of little Mario’s/Luigi's and Peach's being directed to do various tasks to defeat Bowser. Indeed the game would still be original and fun. But instead we got a different world. New characters, a new franchise, new iconography and new landscapes. We got a whole new Nintendo game. One that can stand besides Mario/Zelda and Pokemon as a game that had NOTHING to do with another game. Olimar was never a baddie in Mario Land and Pikmin was never a Pokemon.
This is what Nintendo need. New games. New franchises. They don't HAVE to be adult either, might be helpful but hardly essential. Why does Wario Ware have Wario in it? Is he needed? Why did Dinosaur Planet have Fox in it? It was obviously not a Starfox game!
Nintendo are scared. Releasing a totally new game could mean a disaster. A flop. Would Viewtiful Joe have sold through the roof if it were a Megaman game? Hell yes. But would it be a new franchise on which Capcom can build on? No it could not.
Nintendo tried widening its appeal with new games. Metal Gear and Resident Evil remakes are a prime example. Yet these two games are still "old" games. Nintendo should never have bought the Resident Evil games because they had Eternal Darkness. This game could have been a new Nintendo franchise. An ideal new Nintendo franchise. As it happens it was never needed. It would never sell. Capcom's famous survival horror put pay to that.
RARE were never scared to release a new game. They did sequels too but next to the release of Banjo Tooie came Conker's Bad Fur Day. Next to Donkey Kong 64 came Jet Force Gemini. Besides Killer Instinct Gold there was Blast Corps and Goldeneye. Some were sequels. Most were totally new franchises that branched out to new gamers. What would the N64 have been without RARE? What new franchise did Nintendo create themselves? If it wasn't for the fact Nintendo's brand faces were moving into 3D we would all have wondered "what's new?" Just like we are now. If Nintendo still had RARE we would have had Grabbed by the Gholies and Kameo by now. 2 completley original and new games.
X-box gamers are lucky. Loads of totally new games to play, Knights of the Old Republic was a success, Blinx a failure but an attempt at least... and the biggest success story of this generation. Halo. A game that was so totally fresh that nearly every gamer in the world wants to own it. Even Sony, with Ico, the eye toy games, Rachet and Clank and Sly Cooper can risk a new franchise.
Are Nintendo just a bunch old golden oldies? Making nice games with the same faces over and over again? Are Nintendo out of touch? No I don't think so. Shigeru Miyamoto, a guy that made the original Donkey Kong game decades ago, made Pikmin. He hasn't lost it. He can still create a new world to exploit. A New World to delve into and explore.
Retro, Nintendo's latest acquisition, is one of Nintendo's greatest properties. Metroid Prime is almost a totally new franchise. Sure the name is the same but the game is not. Retro are original and Nintendo need to expand this team and bring Raven Blade and the companies back to the release schedule. Rare, Left Field and Silicon Knights have gone. It was a stupid mistake by the big N. But if only Nintendo themselves can make something new.
Nintendo are innovators. They were once the driving force in the gaming industry. Introducing new characters and new ideas. Now they are just a company growing old. Making the same great games... we need new great games.
Wake up Nintendo.
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i'munn wrote:
> Put itthis way, I did answer you ages ago.
>
> If Strafio wants a third persoN metroid game, why not get one of the
> GBA ones?
Ok Mr Pedantic.
Third Person Metroid game on the GAMECUBE.
In 3D thankyou very much. :-)
I was suprised at how close Prime was though.
If they'd put in a third person camera and given her some decent jumping moves then the whole game would've been spot on.
It would've been Mario meets Zelda meets Star Wars and would show that platformers aren't just for kids.
> As for the re-invention of an old series, if Retro had not worked on
> a Metroid game as such, they would have no core to start with, so
> they'd have to make one. Then they'd have to design different
> characters, weapons and a whole new storyline.
The only Metroid trademarks were Samus and her Morph Ball.
Anything else they could've gotten away with.
> Metroid Prime in its early days was shabby, and it wasn't until on
> Shigsy entered and took semi-control of the project that it began to
> take shape. Without the Metroid basis, Nintendo may not have even
> taken notice of Retros efforts. The game could have gone multiformat
> - there would be nothing to stop them.And it wouldn't have been as
> good.
Actually, there's a possibility that this wasn't the case.
The Japanese don't handle certain types of games well, being prone to motion sickness or something, or it just not being fashionable.
Goldeneye, Perfect Dark were flops over there.
As was Jet Force Gemini.
My thinking is that they had a Jet Force Gemini cross between third and first person and that was too much for poor eastern Shigsy to handle, so he had it simplified to a more managable bite.
It might not have been the case, but it certainly makes sense.
> It's stupid, if you've got somethng you can work with, it's already
> tried, tested, and brilliant, you know you WILL have the support of
> one of the greatest game developing countries in the world, and you
> don't have to make up half of it yourself, as it's done for you, or
> you have the choice of started with nothing, and trying to build it
> up yourself, with no help, which option would you pick?
...
What was tried and tested?
Only a hardcore few remembered Samus from the Snes days.
The gameplay was completely different in mechanics from anything in the world, let alone classic Metroid and...
Well you're just being silly.
I reckon the Metroid franchise inspired them and forced them to try something different, but it was still a Metroid game for the sake of there being a Metroid game, and seeing as they wanted to push it as a franchise, perhaps it would've been more successful if people got to see the star of the show?
But enough on Metroid.
The whole thing's a tangent.
Isn't it annoying how thin Nintendo are wearing their franchises instead of giving us new characters here and there.
I mean Pikmin was great, but what since?
> Put itthis way, I did answer you ages ago.
>
> If Strafio wants a third persoN metroid game, why not get one of the
> GBA ones?
Ok Mr Pedantic.
Third Person Metroid game on the GAMECUBE.
In 3D thankyou very much. :-)
I was suprised at how close Prime was though.
If they'd put in a third person camera and given her some decent jumping moves then the whole game would've been spot on.
It would've been Mario meets Zelda meets Star Wars and would show that platformers aren't just for kids.
> As for the re-invention of an old series, if Retro had not worked on
> a Metroid game as such, they would have no core to start with, so
> they'd have to make one. Then they'd have to design different
> characters, weapons and a whole new storyline.
The only Metroid trademarks were Samus and her Morph Ball.
Anything else they could've gotten away with.
> Metroid Prime in its early days was shabby, and it wasn't until on
> Shigsy entered and took semi-control of the project that it began to
> take shape. Without the Metroid basis, Nintendo may not have even
> taken notice of Retros efforts. The game could have gone multiformat
> - there would be nothing to stop them.And it wouldn't have been as
> good.
Actually, there's a possibility that this wasn't the case.
The Japanese don't handle certain types of games well, being prone to motion sickness or something, or it just not being fashionable.
Goldeneye, Perfect Dark were flops over there.
As was Jet Force Gemini.
My thinking is that they had a Jet Force Gemini cross between third and first person and that was too much for poor eastern Shigsy to handle, so he had it simplified to a more managable bite.
It might not have been the case, but it certainly makes sense.
> It's stupid, if you've got somethng you can work with, it's already
> tried, tested, and brilliant, you know you WILL have the support of
> one of the greatest game developing countries in the world, and you
> don't have to make up half of it yourself, as it's done for you, or
> you have the choice of started with nothing, and trying to build it
> up yourself, with no help, which option would you pick?
...
What was tried and tested?
Only a hardcore few remembered Samus from the Snes days.
The gameplay was completely different in mechanics from anything in the world, let alone classic Metroid and...
Well you're just being silly.
I reckon the Metroid franchise inspired them and forced them to try something different, but it was still a Metroid game for the sake of there being a Metroid game, and seeing as they wanted to push it as a franchise, perhaps it would've been more successful if people got to see the star of the show?
But enough on Metroid.
The whole thing's a tangent.
Isn't it annoying how thin Nintendo are wearing their franchises instead of giving us new characters here and there.
I mean Pikmin was great, but what since?
Well:
A: Studying text would at least let you pick up on good sentence structuring and meaning
B: Why invent a new franchise when you've got one that's just as good.
It's like saying "Yes, we've got Mario, lets invent a game similar to it but not Mario, then we can waste time inventing new stuff for it when we could have had the game out 6 months ago and making us money"
A: Studying text would at least let you pick up on good sentence structuring and meaning
B: Why invent a new franchise when you've got one that's just as good.
It's like saying "Yes, we've got Mario, lets invent a game similar to it but not Mario, then we can waste time inventing new stuff for it when we could have had the game out 6 months ago and making us money"
i'munn wrote:
> Dringo wrote:
> And Munn leave it out, my arguments a good one.
>
> And surely, studying English literature would give you the ability to
> construct better sentences than that. I have no idea what it means.
Literature is the study of texts. Language is the one where I'm required to construct sentences.
My argument that Nintendo should invent new franchises (which was taken from IGN) rather than re-develop old ones all the time is a good argument. You know the actual post?!?!?!
Metroid Prime was one example in hundreds that litter the post and WS picked up the one thing he disagreed with and criticised it which he just loves to do.
Whilst the post featured perfectly good points about Starfox Adventures and Pikmin.
> Dringo wrote:
> And Munn leave it out, my arguments a good one.
>
> And surely, studying English literature would give you the ability to
> construct better sentences than that. I have no idea what it means.
Literature is the study of texts. Language is the one where I'm required to construct sentences.
My argument that Nintendo should invent new franchises (which was taken from IGN) rather than re-develop old ones all the time is a good argument. You know the actual post?!?!?!
Metroid Prime was one example in hundreds that litter the post and WS picked up the one thing he disagreed with and criticised it which he just loves to do.
Whilst the post featured perfectly good points about Starfox Adventures and Pikmin.
i'munn wrote:
stuff.
We don't know how shabby it was all we know is that Nintendo got involved and re-shuffled the staff.
Nintendo own Retro, they are 100% owned by Nintendo. Unlike Rare who were only 47% owned by Nintendo.
My point was why continue an old series when it is new franchises that sell systems. Although to be fair Metroid Prime was sorta a new franchise even if it is based around an old concept.
stuff.
We don't know how shabby it was all we know is that Nintendo got involved and re-shuffled the staff.
Nintendo own Retro, they are 100% owned by Nintendo. Unlike Rare who were only 47% owned by Nintendo.
My point was why continue an old series when it is new franchises that sell systems. Although to be fair Metroid Prime was sorta a new franchise even if it is based around an old concept.
Dringo wrote:
> And Munn leave it out, my arguments a good one.
And surely, studying English literature would give you the ability to construct better sentences than that. I have no idea what it means.
> And Munn leave it out, my arguments a good one.
And surely, studying English literature would give you the ability to construct better sentences than that. I have no idea what it means.
Put itthis way, I did answer you ages ago.
If Strafio wants a third persoN metroid game, why not get one of the GBA ones?
As for the re-invention of an old series, if Retro had not worked on a Metroid game as such, they would have no core to start with, so they'd have to make one. Then they'd have to design different characters, weapons and a whole new storyline.
Metroid Prime in its early days was shabby, and it wasn't until on Shigsy entered and took semi-control of the project that it began to take shape. Without the Metroid basis, Nintendo may not have even taken notice of Retros efforts. The game could have gone multiformat - there would be nothing to stop them.And it wouldn't have been as good.
It's stupid, if you've got somethng you can work with, it's already tried, tested, and brilliant, you know you WILL have the support of one of the greatest game developing countries in the world, and you don't have to make up half of it yourself, as it's done for you, or you have the choice of started with nothing, and trying to build it up yourself, with no help, which option would you pick?
If Strafio wants a third persoN metroid game, why not get one of the GBA ones?
As for the re-invention of an old series, if Retro had not worked on a Metroid game as such, they would have no core to start with, so they'd have to make one. Then they'd have to design different characters, weapons and a whole new storyline.
Metroid Prime in its early days was shabby, and it wasn't until on Shigsy entered and took semi-control of the project that it began to take shape. Without the Metroid basis, Nintendo may not have even taken notice of Retros efforts. The game could have gone multiformat - there would be nothing to stop them.And it wouldn't have been as good.
It's stupid, if you've got somethng you can work with, it's already tried, tested, and brilliant, you know you WILL have the support of one of the greatest game developing countries in the world, and you don't have to make up half of it yourself, as it's done for you, or you have the choice of started with nothing, and trying to build it up yourself, with no help, which option would you pick?
Edgy wrote:
> Tis a good thing that the Nintendo forum and the likes are a bit of a
> sanctuary from that kind of thing.
I tend to avoid the General chat forum. I left all the chatting behind in my FOG days with my Notable campaigns and hunting stories :P
And Munn leave it out, my arguments a good one. WS and I will have to agree to disagree on the Metroid Prime front but that is just a small part of a larger article.
He makes a good point when he says that Metroid has been dead for a while so Metroid Prime is essentially a new franchise to the newer gamers. Although I still feel it restricted the game slightly. I mean the fact the new game features a multiplayer is a departure from traditional Metroid play.
Maybe it would have been best if this wasn't a Metroid game at all. But then there just isn't point in debating it.
> Tis a good thing that the Nintendo forum and the likes are a bit of a
> sanctuary from that kind of thing.
I tend to avoid the General chat forum. I left all the chatting behind in my FOG days with my Notable campaigns and hunting stories :P
And Munn leave it out, my arguments a good one. WS and I will have to agree to disagree on the Metroid Prime front but that is just a small part of a larger article.
He makes a good point when he says that Metroid has been dead for a while so Metroid Prime is essentially a new franchise to the newer gamers. Although I still feel it restricted the game slightly. I mean the fact the new game features a multiplayer is a departure from traditional Metroid play.
Maybe it would have been best if this wasn't a Metroid game at all. But then there just isn't point in debating it.
Dringo wrote:
> Cambridge? Desperate?
>
> I study English Literature at Cambridge, so although I maybe a fanboy
> i'm not thick.
So you're an intelligent 'tard then.
> Cambridge? Desperate?
>
> I study English Literature at Cambridge, so although I maybe a fanboy
> i'm not thick.
So you're an intelligent 'tard then.
You haven't been to General Chat for a while then.
It seems that one or two members like to spoil things by dragging the forums lower and lower.
Tis a good thing that the Nintendo forum and the likes are a bit of a sanctuary from that kind of thing.
It seems that one or two members like to spoil things by dragging the forums lower and lower.
Tis a good thing that the Nintendo forum and the likes are a bit of a sanctuary from that kind of thing.
Cambridge? Desperate?
I study English Literature at Cambridge, so although I maybe a fanboy i'm not thick.
I've been on these forums many a time and although I get the occasional person that disagrees with everything I say I rarely get someone who just wants to sl@g me off and criticise me.
That just isn't in the spirit of the forums.
I study English Literature at Cambridge, so although I maybe a fanboy i'm not thick.
I've been on these forums many a time and although I get the occasional person that disagrees with everything I say I rarely get someone who just wants to sl@g me off and criticise me.
That just isn't in the spirit of the forums.
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