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Some may remember a tale I told about a barn.
This barn, after a bit of idiocy from my close friend neal. Got burnt to the ground. In brief, my friend was working in a barn. Stacking a selection of broken chip and pin machines. It was a cold day in January and so he decided to start a fire to keep warm. Using my lighter my friend recklessly started a fire on a stack of boxes and then later, upon request, in a bin, away from danger. As the situation wore on my friend moved the bin nearer to him, which I questioned, the fire flicked from the metal bin and hit a stack of boxes. To cut a long story short, the barn burnt to the ground.
1 month later he is arrested, he tells his arresting officer that it was I that started the fire. So I was arrested. I told the truth, as stated above. 4 months down the line we are both charged with Arson.
I appear in court next week.
I am, as some will known, a Cambridge university student, with a small desire to be a teacher. This offense could see my dreams dashed and my prospects ruined. I have no idea what the minimum sentence is (be it imprisonment or community service), nor do I know EXACTLY what I did wrong.
At the moment my "close friend" still insists it was I that was responsible for the fire.
Help???
This barn, after a bit of idiocy from my close friend neal. Got burnt to the ground. In brief, my friend was working in a barn. Stacking a selection of broken chip and pin machines. It was a cold day in January and so he decided to start a fire to keep warm. Using my lighter my friend recklessly started a fire on a stack of boxes and then later, upon request, in a bin, away from danger. As the situation wore on my friend moved the bin nearer to him, which I questioned, the fire flicked from the metal bin and hit a stack of boxes. To cut a long story short, the barn burnt to the ground.
1 month later he is arrested, he tells his arresting officer that it was I that started the fire. So I was arrested. I told the truth, as stated above. 4 months down the line we are both charged with Arson.
I appear in court next week.
I am, as some will known, a Cambridge university student, with a small desire to be a teacher. This offense could see my dreams dashed and my prospects ruined. I have no idea what the minimum sentence is (be it imprisonment or community service), nor do I know EXACTLY what I did wrong.
At the moment my "close friend" still insists it was I that was responsible for the fire.
Help???
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You agreed to it, and didn't stop it from being made.
You could have said "i'm not sure starting a fire inside a barn full of boxes is a good idea" and then refuse to give him the lighter.
You could have said "i'm not sure starting a fire inside a barn full of boxes is a good idea" and then refuse to give him the lighter.
Chippxero wrote:
> Fire + inside + near boxes = reckless
Exactly, but I wasn't responsible for that.
When we agreed on starting a fire I assumed it would be away from the boxes towards the front of the barn. Which it eventually was. Before neal moved it.
> Fire + inside + near boxes = reckless
Exactly, but I wasn't responsible for that.
When we agreed on starting a fire I assumed it would be away from the boxes towards the front of the barn. Which it eventually was. Before neal moved it.
dropped soap + prison showers * purdy mouth = "Oranges Aren't The Only Fruit"
Fire + inside + near boxes = reckless
similar to
dropped soap + prision showers
similar to
dropped soap + prision showers
Maybe you could sell the melted Chip & Pin gear on Ebay to pay your fine...
Seems like anyone will buy anything on Ebay these days...
Seems like anyone will buy anything on Ebay these days...
At the time Your Honour I didn't feel responsible at all. I felt scared but not responsible.
The fire started right in the middle of the stack, we couldn't get to it. Neal tried hitting the fire out but it made situations worse. I ran around the barn looking for something and we called the fire brigade when we realised we couldn't stop it.
I also left the barn incident under direction of neal. At the time he was worried about losing his job and knew his boss wouldn't mind a mate being there but would mind neal going out of his way to pick me up. Therefore he asked me to leave to avoid his boss finding out. I needed to go home anyway for work.
What might help my defense is that neal originally lied about what caused the fire. He said it was an electrical fire. I neither went along with it or contradicted it, I just told him "I can't lie" and so he said he'd keep me out of it. The fire investigation showed it was no electrical fire so when I was called it I told no lie and explained what happened.
I know you think I'm being a whingey kid but that's all I am. I'm not arsonist. I did not start the fire, nor was i that keen on keeping it going when it got started. We had coats but Neal was asked to work in freezing cold conditions. We didn't consider a fire for any other reason.
The fire started right in the middle of the stack, we couldn't get to it. Neal tried hitting the fire out but it made situations worse. I ran around the barn looking for something and we called the fire brigade when we realised we couldn't stop it.
I also left the barn incident under direction of neal. At the time he was worried about losing his job and knew his boss wouldn't mind a mate being there but would mind neal going out of his way to pick me up. Therefore he asked me to leave to avoid his boss finding out. I needed to go home anyway for work.
What might help my defense is that neal originally lied about what caused the fire. He said it was an electrical fire. I neither went along with it or contradicted it, I just told him "I can't lie" and so he said he'd keep me out of it. The fire investigation showed it was no electrical fire so when I was called it I told no lie and explained what happened.
I know you think I'm being a whingey kid but that's all I am. I'm not arsonist. I did not start the fire, nor was i that keen on keeping it going when it got started. We had coats but Neal was asked to work in freezing cold conditions. We didn't consider a fire for any other reason.
Dringo wrote:
> But I didn't do anything.
Hmmm, my point exactly.
> I will happily plead guilty for passing my friend a lighter.
Stop concentrating on how the fire started, and start thinking about your actions. You said it was winter, so you would have had coats etc. Did you try smothering the fire out? Did you try moving the burning boxes outside? Yes you may have go injured but I'm sure a few burns wouldn't hurt half as much as being violated by Trevor the Trembling Transvestite....
> What did you do to try and put the fire out?
> Why did you run off?
> etc etc
>
> We tried everything to put the fire out. There SHOULD have been
> water, sand or an extinguisher BY LAW and there wasn't one.
That is a good point that you need to make clear to your defence team.
>Why did I
> leave? I had a job to go too. I was there for ages until I absolutley
> had to leave.
What's more important? A part time job, or 100,000 grand going up in flames, which you would be responsible for?
> But I didn't do anything.
Hmmm, my point exactly.
> I will happily plead guilty for passing my friend a lighter.
Stop concentrating on how the fire started, and start thinking about your actions. You said it was winter, so you would have had coats etc. Did you try smothering the fire out? Did you try moving the burning boxes outside? Yes you may have go injured but I'm sure a few burns wouldn't hurt half as much as being violated by Trevor the Trembling Transvestite....
> What did you do to try and put the fire out?
> Why did you run off?
> etc etc
>
> We tried everything to put the fire out. There SHOULD have been
> water, sand or an extinguisher BY LAW and there wasn't one.
That is a good point that you need to make clear to your defence team.
>Why did I
> leave? I had a job to go too. I was there for ages until I absolutley
> had to leave.
What's more important? A part time job, or 100,000 grand going up in flames, which you would be responsible for?
Blank wrote:
> Dringo wrote:
> They have to be able to repay it, they cannot charge someone who
> earns
> £2000 a year like me £50,000 because that would take me
> 25
> years without eating, drinking or anything. It's not finacially
> possible.
> Similarly with the McLibel case I mentioned, they had no means of
> repaying it. In the end they didn't, and McDonald's didn't persue it
> (they'd already spent millions on the trial, so it really wasn't an
> issue to them) but the couple were still ordered by the court to pay
> the sum. I suppose you're expected to take out some sort of loan in
> that situation? I don't know.
No a fine is a punishement. If McDonalds sued them then they would have to pay it. I am not being sued. I know this because I was explained it by my arresting officer.
> Dringo wrote:
> They have to be able to repay it, they cannot charge someone who
> earns
> £2000 a year like me £50,000 because that would take me
> 25
> years without eating, drinking or anything. It's not finacially
> possible.
> Similarly with the McLibel case I mentioned, they had no means of
> repaying it. In the end they didn't, and McDonald's didn't persue it
> (they'd already spent millions on the trial, so it really wasn't an
> issue to them) but the couple were still ordered by the court to pay
> the sum. I suppose you're expected to take out some sort of loan in
> that situation? I don't know.
No a fine is a punishement. If McDonalds sued them then they would have to pay it. I am not being sued. I know this because I was explained it by my arresting officer.
Tiltawhirl wrote:
> That's the thing, denying all will responsibility will not go in your
> favour with the judge. Whether you started the fire or not, the fact
> is you were still there and in the company of the person who did.
I'm not denying that though.
I'm denying being reckless. And I was not being reckless.
> That's the thing, denying all will responsibility will not go in your
> favour with the judge. Whether you started the fire or not, the fact
> is you were still there and in the company of the person who did.
I'm not denying that though.
I'm denying being reckless. And I was not being reckless.
Your Honour wrote:
> It sounds to me you're just being a whingy kid. If you give out all
> this "I didn't do it, it was him I didn't touch nuffin it was
> an accident Waaaaaaaaaaaaah!" crap in court then they'll
> probably find you guilty of being a whingy ponce.
But I didn't do anything.
> Stand up, admit you made a mistake were really, really stupid and
> stop passing the buck. Take reponsibility for your actions.
I will happily plead guilty for passing my friend a lighter.
> What did you do to try and put the fire out?
> Why did you run off?
> etc etc
We tried everything to put the fire out. There SHOULD have been water, sand or an extinguisher BY LAW and there wasn't one. Why did I leave? I had a job to go too. I was there for ages until I absolutley had to leave.
> It sounds to me you're just being a whingy kid. If you give out all
> this "I didn't do it, it was him I didn't touch nuffin it was
> an accident Waaaaaaaaaaaaah!" crap in court then they'll
> probably find you guilty of being a whingy ponce.
But I didn't do anything.
> Stand up, admit you made a mistake were really, really stupid and
> stop passing the buck. Take reponsibility for your actions.
I will happily plead guilty for passing my friend a lighter.
> What did you do to try and put the fire out?
> Why did you run off?
> etc etc
We tried everything to put the fire out. There SHOULD have been water, sand or an extinguisher BY LAW and there wasn't one. Why did I leave? I had a job to go too. I was there for ages until I absolutley had to leave.
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