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I know this is meant to be why the Gamecube will win the console wars, but I would like to clear the compertion between the PS2 and the gamecube up. Why? I hear you all cry! One, Grix hasn’t done it yet :) and well, I think I owe it to Nintendo, and even Shigsy himself! After all, this is a big war between them both. Although both companies claim not to be going into wars with one another, there are still loads of gamers around the world that wish to continue this rivalry This isn’t a console wars post, just for people who think that PS2 is BETTER than Gamecube. First of all, it's not. I know, that sounded bias and unreasonable, but I have sufficient evidence to prove your ass wrong. I know that people who own a PS2 people are saying, the same old things. For example, it has DVD capability, it LOOKS cool (that’s an opinion), it has more games, etc. etc. etc. People even say that it's better because it's on a non-proprietary format. And no, giving it back to me and calling this trash will not work. It’ll only put you in denial. Also, the Gamecube is also referred to as the “NGC”. So, in no particular order, here's otherwise...
Now we've all heard one side of the story (or some of it) we will now discuss what Gamecube has. Some say that the NGC looks like a Fisher-Price purse, but a reasonable gamer knows that it's the games & what the system can do with those games that counts. The NGC has a graphics processor designed by ArtX, a subsidiary of ATI. PC gamers know that ATI is a respected company that makes great graphics accelerators. What does PS2 have, an "Emotion Engine". While, the name is somewhat catchy to the developers, what it can do is much more important. It can push 75 million polygons per second. That would seem to be a very impressive number. Unfortunately, Sony (like Microsoft) specifies polygon performance differently than Nintendo. 75 Million polys/sec specifies the number of RAW polygons. Raw meaning the most basic, wire frame, lacking real game effects, physics, colour, controller input, etc. Fortunately, from reliable sources, we have learned that current PS2 games, such as SSX or Madden 2001 only use 3-5 million per second (realistic). Of course, upcoming games such as FFX will do much better. Gamecube on the other hand, uses a "Flipper" chip designed by previously mentioned ArtX. This graphics processor can push 6-12 million polygons per second. This may seem small, but this is the actual performance number with all the effects on (lighting, shading, texture, etc.), with controller input, real-time physics, etc. So in that respect, and only in that respect, Gamecube is better.
Some Nintendo enemies (and loyalists alike) complain that the lack of DVD support is unacceptable. To challenge this, I present the company known in Japan as Matsushita. Better known in the US by the Panasonic brand name, this company is responsible for producing the mini-DVDs that will be the storage medium for the NGC. What Matsushita will do is manufacture a DVD player that plays Gamecube games. Note that it would be a DVD player that plays games and not a dedicated gaming machine like Gamecube. In such a comparison, the NGC and PS2 have no distinct advantage over each other.
And I find it strange that such an overhyped console would not have four-player capability. Well, the PS2 does but you still have to buy a MultiTap. Nintendo has been a company that has embraced and reaped the benefits of 4x multiplayer with huge sales of such games as Super Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Mario Party (1,2, &3), & most importantly, Golden Eye and Perfect Dark.
It's not like no one can afford a MultiTap or anything but dishing out £20+ for 4x capability is just one more disadvantage of the PS2.
There have been quite number of disputes involving the controller. This is a particularly confusing subject to write about because it is very opinionated to the tastes of the individual. Well, this is my correct opinion and if you think this is trash, than you obviously haven’t seen the NGC controller. I think that the PS2 controller is somewhat comfortable. It is a good size and the handles are placed correctly. Unfortunately, it does not provide functionality in the way of gaming. That is where the NGC comes in. The stick on the NGC controller is way up on the left side. I like this far better than the Dual Shock 2 because the thumb's joint is to the bottom of the stick rather than to the left. So if I wanted to go to the right on the NGC controller, I would just move my thumb in an arc to the right. I found the Dual Shock 2 very unnatural. If I wanted to go to the right in the Dual Shock 2, I would have to push my thumb foreword to move to the right. And if you didn't understand that, I strongly suggest you graduate middle school before continuing reading. I especially don't like the position of the action buttons. n l s & r are arranged in the diamond formation. There is little wrong with that; I just think the NGC one is better. On the Gamecube controller, the B, X, & Y buttons are designed around the massive and ever malevolent A button. While this allows good button mashing, it still makes the other buttons very accessible. A dedicated camera stick might become handy during games that require you to know your surroundings or just to admire the attention to detail. Damn TRUTH commercials. Sorry, I’m watching T.V. right now. I know that the Dual Shock 2 is fully analogue whereas the NGC's controller is only partially analogue. But I seriously doubt that any game could take full advantage of a fully analogue system. Since virtually no one, other than the press, has held the NGC controller, it is hard to determine its feel. But from trusted sources, it is said to be very comfortable. That is about it for the controller portion and although this will not effect how the games look, I still look at controllers in a respectful manor.
These next pieces of information are of no value to the casual gamer but are nevertheless important. Gamecube's main processor is made by IBM and is 105Mhz faster than that of PS2. The Gamecube has a total of 43 Megs of ram as opposed to the 36 of the PS2. The NGC has 13gflops. This refers to the floating-point operations per second, which simplified is the maximum operations/second. This number is greater than PS2 and Xbox. On an important note, the NGC can do 8 simultaneous textures. That means one picture frame only has to go through the entire system once to put eight textures on. That is better than Xbox's 4 simultaneous textures and PS2's 1 simultaneous texture. This allows for greater frame and frame refresh rates on the NGC.
Now, the NGC’s logo. This is nothing short of excellent! The amount of detail that has gone into it has really paid of! I know that not too many people on FOG like the idea much, apart from Grix who also loves it like I do, but come on, you must admit that the way the G and C come into the cube shaped box is a masterpiece. It really does look really cool in purple as well. Also, I think it puts the PS2’s logo to shame.
To my favourite reason, the Gamecube’s optical discs. First off, they are much smaller than DVDs-3 inches in diameter. Second, They are accessed much more quickly than DVDs (load times comparable to that of cartridges). Unfortunately, they hold less data. 1.5gigs as opposed to 4.7gigs on true DVDs. But realistically, this isn't a disadvantage. They are cheaper to make; They hold double the full-motion video of a CD: They are impossible to burn. They have a dedicated inner encryption strip, They’re proprietary (meaning they are the first and only discs of their kind), no current CD or DVD laser can read them, add that to its size and capacity. They fit into your pocket easily: Who says you can't have two or more discs per game: With S3's texture compression (exclusive to Nintendo) textures can be compressed at a 6:1 ratio. This means that 4.7gigs of textures can fit into 783 Megs of space (plainly said- you can put data on these discs equal to or greater than DVDs. Nintendo and Matsushita have claimed that these discs will lead the way for electronic entertainment for the 21st century. Although this is somewhat unlikely, they do provide a convenient means to help Nintendo in their quest for world REdomination. Nintendo has even commented that this format for a handheld system beyond Game Boy Advanced is not out of the question.
That brings me to my next reason, the Game Boy Advance. Besides being the best handheld ever developed, it is also an integral part to the Gamecube. I do find Nintendo’s logic flawed though. Nintendo thinks that because so many people will buy the GBA, the endless possibilities of interactivity to the NGC will make people want to buy one. I have no doubt the GBA will sell extremely well, but I don’t think the endless possibilities of interactivity justify as a reason to buy a cube. But the possibilities are truly endless. Anyone seen the vid of Tony Hawkes?! These are just some of the possible uses, but plausible ones. You could use the GBA as a controller. You could use a blank cartridge as a memory card. You could build up character stats on the GBA and transfer them to its counterpart on the Gamecube. The GBA could be used as a sub screen (such as a radar on Rogue Squadron 2), and the list goes on. Well, that's about it for the advantages of a GBA with the Gamecube. I urge all readers to buy a Game Boy Advance because it is relatively inexpensive, it's very portable, a great system despite the fact that it has no 3D hardware, and already boasts a library of over 1000 games with plenty more slated for this year. People who have seen screens know that what it can do is as close to 3D as possible. Also, as we all know games are not just all about graphics, we have to take gameplay into account.
Many people say that PS2 looks better than the NGC, and that is an opinion. The NGC is a small & sleek cube that can be placed virtually anywhere (6x6x4 inches). That's all I have to say. I think that black NGC will be very popular. By the way, The NGC will be definitely cheaper than the PS2. At around $200 (still haven’t released a price in £’s yet) what gamer couldn’t afford that. The PS2 owners are saying that it has DVD capability. Well 1:Who doesn’t have a DVD player 2:You could buy a real better DVD player with a remote for half the money.
You know the thing I hate most, is when the PS(2) owners say that Nintendo (and its 3rd parties) only makes kiddy games. That is bull. I will now list games that are not all rated T but are not kiddy- Rogue Squadron, Golden Eye, Perfect Dark, Gauntlet Legends, F-Zero, AeroFighters Assault, Starcraft, Conker’s Bad Fur Day, etc. Maybe they do make kiddy games, but those kiddy games are extremely popular and sell very well. If the younger demographic had their say on the internet, Pokemon would be more popular than Final Fantasy and Zelda. Nintendo’s target demographic will definitely change. They know now that the prime audience is the teens and will change their directive. Let’s just hope the 3rd parties realise this too. Anyhow, when was the last time you saw a little kid complete games like Mario? It’s not very often. Okay, if you still wish to call Nintendo kiddies games, then I must confess that I love the kiddes games. They are fun to play on your own, with your mates, and often makes you feel better when you are feeling blue.
The PS2 for a fact has many 3rd parties. The most powerful argument that the PS2 people wield is that it will have better games. This directly relates to the 3rd parties on board with Sony. Several reasons why this will most likely change, 1-The NGC, for a fact, is easier to develop for, 2-Developers will realise the game sales are in quality and not quantity (PSO is a prime example of this) 3-Nintendo and Microsoft charge less per game. All the PS2 people cry to Squaresoft (as a last resort). It’s like the fate of an entire console is resting on that one 3rd party. It’s ridiculous because the PS2 and PSO owners are making it seem that way. News Flash-The gaming community does not revolve around Square. PS2 has (that I know of) absolutely no games that have revolutionised gaming. In the days of the 64, Mario 64 defined the new genre of 3D platforming (after that, Zelda), Golden Eye raised the bar for Multiplayer, and Rogue Squadron set the standards in digitised graphics, voices and sounds. I think this is a taste of what’s to come on Gamecube because of its delay to November. What has the PS2 done in 6 months? Not one game has revolutionised gaming. Not one game I've seen has graphics significantly more advanced than that of Dreamcast. Not one game I know of completely supports 5.1 OR HDTV. I’m almost finished.
Why would they (Sony) release such an expensive memory card? Sure, It can hold a lot compared to any other memory card, but if they are planning to release a hard drive so soon, why waste the consumers’ money. And couldn't they have invested SOME resources to R&D of a new controller. No, they have to give you this haphazard thing as an accessory. My point is -You are wasting money on the PS2-
Well, maybe not wasting your money, because you may like it, but I would still guide you towards the GAMECUBE.
I hope that I have cleared up some matters there, if I haven’t then you haven’t read my post. Please do read it though as I have spent ages on it. Hey, if you still think the PS2 is better, that’s cool… at the end of the day, it’s what we like as individuals that counts.
-M16-
I know this is meant to be why the Gamecube will win the console wars, but I would like to clear the compertion between the PS2 and the gamecube up. Why? I hear you all cry! One, Grix hasn’t done it yet :) and well, I think I owe it to Nintendo, and even Shigsy himself! After all, this is a big war between them both. Although both companies claim not to be going into wars with one another, there are still loads of gamers around the world that wish to continue this rivalry This isn’t a console wars post, just for people who think that PS2 is BETTER than Gamecube. First of all, it's not. I know, that sounded bias and unreasonable, but I have sufficient evidence to prove your ass wrong. I know that people who own a PS2 people are saying, the same old things. For example, it has DVD capability, it LOOKS cool (that’s an opinion), it has more games, etc. etc. etc. People even say that it's better because it's on a non-proprietary format. And no, giving it back to me and calling this trash will not work. It’ll only put you in denial. Also, the Gamecube is also referred to as the “NGC”. So, in no particular order, here's otherwise...
Now we've all heard one side of the story (or some of it) we will now discuss what Gamecube has. Some say that the NGC looks like a Fisher-Price purse, but a reasonable gamer knows that it's the games & what the system can do with those games that counts. The NGC has a graphics processor designed by ArtX, a subsidiary of ATI. PC gamers know that ATI is a respected company that makes great graphics accelerators. What does PS2 have, an "Emotion Engine". While, the name is somewhat catchy to the developers, what it can do is much more important. It can push 75 million polygons per second. That would seem to be a very impressive number. Unfortunately, Sony (like Microsoft) specifies polygon performance differently than Nintendo. 75 Million polys/sec specifies the number of RAW polygons. Raw meaning the most basic, wire frame, lacking real game effects, physics, colour, controller input, etc. Fortunately, from reliable sources, we have learned that current PS2 games, such as SSX or Madden 2001 only use 3-5 million per second (realistic). Of course, upcoming games such as FFX will do much better. Gamecube on the other hand, uses a "Flipper" chip designed by previously mentioned ArtX. This graphics processor can push 6-12 million polygons per second. This may seem small, but this is the actual performance number with all the effects on (lighting, shading, texture, etc.), with controller input, real-time physics, etc. So in that respect, and only in that respect, Gamecube is better.
Some Nintendo enemies (and loyalists alike) complain that the lack of DVD support is unacceptable. To challenge this, I present the company known in Japan as Matsushita. Better known in the US by the Panasonic brand name, this company is responsible for producing the mini-DVDs that will be the storage medium for the NGC. What Matsushita will do is manufacture a DVD player that plays Gamecube games. Note that it would be a DVD player that plays games and not a dedicated gaming machine like Gamecube. In such a comparison, the NGC and PS2 have no distinct advantage over each other.
And I find it strange that such an overhyped console would not have four-player capability. Well, the PS2 does but you still have to buy a MultiTap. Nintendo has been a company that has embraced and reaped the benefits of 4x multiplayer with huge sales of such games as Super Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Mario Party (1,2, &3), & most importantly, Golden Eye and Perfect Dark.
It's not like no one can afford a MultiTap or anything but dishing out £20+ for 4x capability is just one more disadvantage of the PS2.
There have been quite number of disputes involving the controller. This is a particularly confusing subject to write about because it is very opinionated to the tastes of the individual. Well, this is my correct opinion and if you think this is trash, than you obviously haven’t seen the NGC controller. I think that the PS2 controller is somewhat comfortable. It is a good size and the handles are placed correctly. Unfortunately, it does not provide functionality in the way of gaming. That is where the NGC comes in. The stick on the NGC controller is way up on the left side. I like this far better than the Dual Shock 2 because the thumb's joint is to the bottom of the stick rather than to the left. So if I wanted to go to the right on the NGC controller, I would just move my thumb in an arc to the right. I found the Dual Shock 2 very unnatural. If I wanted to go to the right in the Dual Shock 2, I would have to push my thumb foreword to move to the right. And if you didn't understand that, I strongly suggest you graduate middle school before continuing reading. I especially don't like the position of the action buttons. n l s & r are arranged in the diamond formation. There is little wrong with that; I just think the NGC one is better. On the Gamecube controller, the B, X, & Y buttons are designed around the massive and ever malevolent A button. While this allows good button mashing, it still makes the other buttons very accessible. A dedicated camera stick might become handy during games that require you to know your surroundings or just to admire the attention to detail. Damn TRUTH commercials. Sorry, I’m watching T.V. right now. I know that the Dual Shock 2 is fully analogue whereas the NGC's controller is only partially analogue. But I seriously doubt that any game could take full advantage of a fully analogue system. Since virtually no one, other than the press, has held the NGC controller, it is hard to determine its feel. But from trusted sources, it is said to be very comfortable. That is about it for the controller portion and although this will not effect how the games look, I still look at controllers in a respectful manor.
These next pieces of information are of no value to the casual gamer but are nevertheless important. Gamecube's main processor is made by IBM and is 105Mhz faster than that of PS2. The Gamecube has a total of 43 Megs of ram as opposed to the 36 of the PS2. The NGC has 13gflops. This refers to the floating-point operations per second, which simplified is the maximum operations/second. This number is greater than PS2 and Xbox. On an important note, the NGC can do 8 simultaneous textures. That means one picture frame only has to go through the entire system once to put eight textures on. That is better than Xbox's 4 simultaneous textures and PS2's 1 simultaneous texture. This allows for greater frame and frame refresh rates on the NGC.
Now, the NGC’s logo. This is nothing short of excellent! The amount of detail that has gone into it has really paid of! I know that not too many people on FOG like the idea much, apart from Grix who also loves it like I do, but come on, you must admit that the way the G and C come into the cube shaped box is a masterpiece. It really does look really cool in purple as well. Also, I think it puts the PS2’s logo to shame.
To my favourite reason, the Gamecube’s optical discs. First off, they are much smaller than DVDs-3 inches in diameter. Second, They are accessed much more quickly than DVDs (load times comparable to that of cartridges). Unfortunately, they hold less data. 1.5gigs as opposed to 4.7gigs on true DVDs. But realistically, this isn't a disadvantage. They are cheaper to make; They hold double the full-motion video of a CD: They are impossible to burn. They have a dedicated inner encryption strip, They’re proprietary (meaning they are the first and only discs of their kind), no current CD or DVD laser can read them, add that to its size and capacity. They fit into your pocket easily: Who says you can't have two or more discs per game: With S3's texture compression (exclusive to Nintendo) textures can be compressed at a 6:1 ratio. This means that 4.7gigs of textures can fit into 783 Megs of space (plainly said- you can put data on these discs equal to or greater than DVDs. Nintendo and Matsushita have claimed that these discs will lead the way for electronic entertainment for the 21st century. Although this is somewhat unlikely, they do provide a convenient means to help Nintendo in their quest for world REdomination. Nintendo has even commented that this format for a handheld system beyond Game Boy Advanced is not out of the question.
That brings me to my next reason, the Game Boy Advance. Besides being the best handheld ever developed, it is also an integral part to the Gamecube. I do find Nintendo’s logic flawed though. Nintendo thinks that because so many people will buy the GBA, the endless possibilities of interactivity to the NGC will make people want to buy one. I have no doubt the GBA will sell extremely well, but I don’t think the endless possibilities of interactivity justify as a reason to buy a cube. But the possibilities are truly endless. Anyone seen the vid of Tony Hawkes?! These are just some of the possible uses, but plausible ones. You could use the GBA as a controller. You could use a blank cartridge as a memory card. You could build up character stats on the GBA and transfer them to its counterpart on the Gamecube. The GBA could be used as a sub screen (such as a radar on Rogue Squadron 2), and the list goes on. Well, that's about it for the advantages of a GBA with the Gamecube. I urge all readers to buy a Game Boy Advance because it is relatively inexpensive, it's very portable, a great system despite the fact that it has no 3D hardware, and already boasts a library of over 1000 games with plenty more slated for this year. People who have seen screens know that what it can do is as close to 3D as possible. Also, as we all know games are not just all about graphics, we have to take gameplay into account.
Many people say that PS2 looks better than the NGC, and that is an opinion. The NGC is a small & sleek cube that can be placed virtually anywhere (6x6x4 inches). That's all I have to say. I think that black NGC will be very popular. By the way, The NGC will be definitely cheaper than the PS2. At around $200 (still haven’t released a price in £’s yet) what gamer couldn’t afford that. The PS2 owners are saying that it has DVD capability. Well 1:Who doesn’t have a DVD player 2:You could buy a real better DVD player with a remote for half the money.
You know the thing I hate most, is when the PS(2) owners say that Nintendo (and its 3rd parties) only makes kiddy games. That is bull. I will now list games that are not all rated T but are not kiddy- Rogue Squadron, Golden Eye, Perfect Dark, Gauntlet Legends, F-Zero, AeroFighters Assault, Starcraft, Conker’s Bad Fur Day, etc. Maybe they do make kiddy games, but those kiddy games are extremely popular and sell very well. If the younger demographic had their say on the internet, Pokemon would be more popular than Final Fantasy and Zelda. Nintendo’s target demographic will definitely change. They know now that the prime audience is the teens and will change their directive. Let’s just hope the 3rd parties realise this too. Anyhow, when was the last time you saw a little kid complete games like Mario? It’s not very often. Okay, if you still wish to call Nintendo kiddies games, then I must confess that I love the kiddes games. They are fun to play on your own, with your mates, and often makes you feel better when you are feeling blue.
The PS2 for a fact has many 3rd parties. The most powerful argument that the PS2 people wield is that it will have better games. This directly relates to the 3rd parties on board with Sony. Several reasons why this will most likely change, 1-The NGC, for a fact, is easier to develop for, 2-Developers will realise the game sales are in quality and not quantity (PSO is a prime example of this) 3-Nintendo and Microsoft charge less per game. All the PS2 people cry to Squaresoft (as a last resort). It’s like the fate of an entire console is resting on that one 3rd party. It’s ridiculous because the PS2 and PSO owners are making it seem that way. News Flash-The gaming community does not revolve around Square. PS2 has (that I know of) absolutely no games that have revolutionised gaming. In the days of the 64, Mario 64 defined the new genre of 3D platforming (after that, Zelda), Golden Eye raised the bar for Multiplayer, and Rogue Squadron set the standards in digitised graphics, voices and sounds. I think this is a taste of what’s to come on Gamecube because of its delay to November. What has the PS2 done in 6 months? Not one game has revolutionised gaming. Not one game I've seen has graphics significantly more advanced than that of Dreamcast. Not one game I know of completely supports 5.1 OR HDTV. I’m almost finished.
Why would they (Sony) release such an expensive memory card? Sure, It can hold a lot compared to any other memory card, but if they are planning to release a hard drive so soon, why waste the consumers’ money. And couldn't they have invested SOME resources to R&D of a new controller. No, they have to give you this haphazard thing as an accessory. My point is -You are wasting money on the PS2-
Well, maybe not wasting your money, because you may like it, but I would still guide you towards the GAMECUBE.
I hope that I have cleared up some matters there, if I haven’t then you haven’t read my post. Please do read it though as I have spent ages on it. Hey, if you still think the PS2 is better, that’s cool… at the end of the day, it’s what we like as individuals that counts.
-M16-
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Stay true to the Light stray from the forces of Darkness long live the rebellion down with the empire. .....hang on a sec what the hell did I just say.
Definitly the sun is shining over the GC. The multi-colours of the GC will flatten the darkside PS2 color.
residentevilfan wrote:
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> one>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Your
> a Nintendo person aren't you,Specs don't mean a thing, i think the
> NES is better than the newer consoles for the 2d platforms and thats
> what 8 bit.my point being that it's what the games are and how they
> perform.
You've not played Castlevania on the PS1 I take it? ;-)
>If you've never seen a ps2, it's actually very small
> and sleek so it can be put anywhere vertical or flat.The gamecube is
> small but a shape that won't really fit anywhere except in a kids
> bedroom.
M16 owns a PS2 and we all know what they both look like, the point about it not fitting anywhere is like saying your squarish TV won't fit anywhere either, or your mini system.
>The dual shock 2 is perfect,thats why Sony didn't change
> it,The analog pad is futher down from the directional buttons and at
> first I thought the same as you,that maybe they could do with
> swapping them but after a couple of months of using it and putting
> you hands futher up and slacker your fingers down, the dual shock 2
> is the best controller i've every held and I still can't get over
> how sensitive every button is.
I prefer the Dreamcast's pad personnally, but all pads have their pros and cons and it really depends on your hands.
>The games are finally rolling in
> which include the EXCLUSIVE GT3 from sony and the price is set to
> drop by a third in november which will put it at about the same as
> the gamecube,the massive 40gb hard drive and internet is coming very
> very soon and for people who hate loading times you will probably
> store half the game on the hard drive so you won't have to wait,even
> the GC will have a loading time but i don't see the fuss it's just
> enough time to scratch your nose and it's back in play.
Sony have stated that they are not thinking of a price drop now and are confident that they can still sell the console at £299. The games are coming out, but still too slowly. Incidentally, Gungriffon is fantastic. The hard drive won't sell very well, I'm sure of that, and the modem will take a while for games companies to utilise it properly, especially given that you'll have two speed options to cater for.
>Download
> demos,patches,all the multimedia of the net and even emulators to
> download all the old snes,mega drive games.chat send emails and of
> course play online which alot of games support even now.
Sony will be interested in protecting what you can download and use, there would have to be specially written emulators and programs for the PS2, as PC ones wouldn't work.
>With the
> amazing lineup of games that the PS2 has like GT3,Metal Gear
> Solid2,SSX,Quake3,TimeSpitters,Black &
> White,Getaway,Tekken,GTA3,Extermination,crash bandicoot and that
> mario beater spyro the dragon and all the old PSone titles enhanced
> to sharpen the graphics this is the only one future proof
> console.The good dreamcast games are moving onto the PS2 with better
> graphics too.
To be honest, the PS1 games I've played on the PS2 haven't really been 'enhanced' that much, Spyro is not really a Mario beater and the Gamecube has some top games lined up for LAUNCH. The PS2 does, however, have some top games coming to it...sometime....in the future....I'm still waiting...
If you think I'm just a Sony man,think again I own
> a dreamcast,PS2 and my neighbour has had a 64 for years.
The 64
> is aimed at young children but down the long list of games there is
> a couple that try to stand out and are more adult but the PS2 is for
> the advanced gamers.The Psone is bought mainly for children now and
> thats why you see more games aimed that way.
64 advertising was aimed at younger children, but many of the games aren't, some are way too hard or too violent and there are some classic games that many adults play on their N64. PS2 has been bought for 6 year olds as well, are they advanced gamers? The PS2 is a 'general' gamers console, for those that don't just play games all the time as well as being an 'advanced' gamers console, the gamecube will be the same.
>The gamecube will be
> bought by 64 owners who want to stick with nintendo but the fact is
> that alot of them have grown up and are thinking of moving away from
> nintendo and going to more adult consoles.
I disagree. In fact, I think the PS2 is being bought by PS1 owners and many people who never owned an N64 are getting very excited about the Gamecube.
>The only thing people
> said why the 64 was better the the PSone was "graphics"
> but real gamers know it's gameplay and the PS2 has perfected every
> single thing with.
The N64 had some great exclusive games, the graphics were different, rather than better (but easily on a par with the PS1) and it had many good points that made it a good alternative to the PS1.
>with USB support for keyboards,mice.
Ilink
> for digital cameras and other acessories.
DVD for the films and
> good format for games.
digital out for the unique 5:1 or stereo
> sound from a stereo.
cd player.
amazing hardware that creates the
> amazing lifelike enviroments.
Everything but games,eh? And what is a games console for?
I'm not against the PS2, bar the price and current lack of games, and the small faults that are being seen to. But to be honest I think the sun is shining over the Gamecube horizon at the moment.
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> one>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Your
> a Nintendo person aren't you,Specs don't mean a thing, i think the
> NES is better than the newer consoles for the 2d platforms and thats
> what 8 bit.my point being that it's what the games are and how they
> perform.
You've not played Castlevania on the PS1 I take it? ;-)
>If you've never seen a ps2, it's actually very small
> and sleek so it can be put anywhere vertical or flat.The gamecube is
> small but a shape that won't really fit anywhere except in a kids
> bedroom.
M16 owns a PS2 and we all know what they both look like, the point about it not fitting anywhere is like saying your squarish TV won't fit anywhere either, or your mini system.
>The dual shock 2 is perfect,thats why Sony didn't change
> it,The analog pad is futher down from the directional buttons and at
> first I thought the same as you,that maybe they could do with
> swapping them but after a couple of months of using it and putting
> you hands futher up and slacker your fingers down, the dual shock 2
> is the best controller i've every held and I still can't get over
> how sensitive every button is.
I prefer the Dreamcast's pad personnally, but all pads have their pros and cons and it really depends on your hands.
>The games are finally rolling in
> which include the EXCLUSIVE GT3 from sony and the price is set to
> drop by a third in november which will put it at about the same as
> the gamecube,the massive 40gb hard drive and internet is coming very
> very soon and for people who hate loading times you will probably
> store half the game on the hard drive so you won't have to wait,even
> the GC will have a loading time but i don't see the fuss it's just
> enough time to scratch your nose and it's back in play.
Sony have stated that they are not thinking of a price drop now and are confident that they can still sell the console at £299. The games are coming out, but still too slowly. Incidentally, Gungriffon is fantastic. The hard drive won't sell very well, I'm sure of that, and the modem will take a while for games companies to utilise it properly, especially given that you'll have two speed options to cater for.
>Download
> demos,patches,all the multimedia of the net and even emulators to
> download all the old snes,mega drive games.chat send emails and of
> course play online which alot of games support even now.
Sony will be interested in protecting what you can download and use, there would have to be specially written emulators and programs for the PS2, as PC ones wouldn't work.
>With the
> amazing lineup of games that the PS2 has like GT3,Metal Gear
> Solid2,SSX,Quake3,TimeSpitters,Black &
> White,Getaway,Tekken,GTA3,Extermination,crash bandicoot and that
> mario beater spyro the dragon and all the old PSone titles enhanced
> to sharpen the graphics this is the only one future proof
> console.The good dreamcast games are moving onto the PS2 with better
> graphics too.
To be honest, the PS1 games I've played on the PS2 haven't really been 'enhanced' that much, Spyro is not really a Mario beater and the Gamecube has some top games lined up for LAUNCH. The PS2 does, however, have some top games coming to it...sometime....in the future....I'm still waiting...
If you think I'm just a Sony man,think again I own
> a dreamcast,PS2 and my neighbour has had a 64 for years.
The 64
> is aimed at young children but down the long list of games there is
> a couple that try to stand out and are more adult but the PS2 is for
> the advanced gamers.The Psone is bought mainly for children now and
> thats why you see more games aimed that way.
64 advertising was aimed at younger children, but many of the games aren't, some are way too hard or too violent and there are some classic games that many adults play on their N64. PS2 has been bought for 6 year olds as well, are they advanced gamers? The PS2 is a 'general' gamers console, for those that don't just play games all the time as well as being an 'advanced' gamers console, the gamecube will be the same.
>The gamecube will be
> bought by 64 owners who want to stick with nintendo but the fact is
> that alot of them have grown up and are thinking of moving away from
> nintendo and going to more adult consoles.
I disagree. In fact, I think the PS2 is being bought by PS1 owners and many people who never owned an N64 are getting very excited about the Gamecube.
>The only thing people
> said why the 64 was better the the PSone was "graphics"
> but real gamers know it's gameplay and the PS2 has perfected every
> single thing with.
The N64 had some great exclusive games, the graphics were different, rather than better (but easily on a par with the PS1) and it had many good points that made it a good alternative to the PS1.
>with USB support for keyboards,mice.
Ilink
> for digital cameras and other acessories.
DVD for the films and
> good format for games.
digital out for the unique 5:1 or stereo
> sound from a stereo.
cd player.
amazing hardware that creates the
> amazing lifelike enviroments.
Everything but games,eh? And what is a games console for?
I'm not against the PS2, bar the price and current lack of games, and the small faults that are being seen to. But to be honest I think the sun is shining over the Gamecube horizon at the moment.
Thanxs for the praise on my post. I am not actually that new as some of you may know me as the Games Guru but thanks any way. And I suppose you are right I have not played on a GameCube so I can not say It is definately better than the PS2.
Don't be so harsh, turbonutter.
That was a good, well written post. Not only is it clear that MJswerve is well informed on this particular topic, but he covers several good points quite succinctly. It's not even as opinionated as you might expect from a new member. Good stuff.
That was a good, well written post. Not only is it clear that MJswerve is well informed on this particular topic, but he covers several good points quite succinctly. It's not even as opinionated as you might expect from a new member. Good stuff.
MJswerve wrote:
> Of course the Gamcube is better than the PS2.
And you are basing this on solid fact after playing both consoles extensively are you?
I think not.
> Of course the Gamcube is better than the PS2.
And you are basing this on solid fact after playing both consoles extensively are you?
I think not.
Oh good. Paragraphs.
Of course the Gamcube is better than the PS2. Games are the best thing for any new console it is not just about pretty graphics as Sony have found out. They have a lack of quality software other than a huge group of sequels to good games coming out. The key words in my last sentence was "coming out" not released "coming out". The Game Cube is going to have one of the strongest group of launch games in the history of gaming with Games like Eternal Darkness, Wave race:Blue Storm, Satr Fox Adventures:Dinosaur Planet(ever wondered what happened to Dinosaur Planet on the N64), Rogue Squadron 2 and luigis mansion straight from its launch with amny more strong games to follow soon after.
Sony's lack of online play has made the Ps2 suffer too. The Game Cube is going to be released with a 56k modem and a BroadBand one so you will be able to use the phone at the same time as playing. Imagine playing your mate at Perfect Dark zero down the road or even in another country without having to gtout of that comfy seat you r in. Ok Pc owners like us all have had this chance for ages but if like me you have a pretty cr*p Pc you probably have not had the chance to play such games as Counter strike and Unreal tournie, to name a few, online. The Game Cube will allow anyone who owns it to do this as long as they are willing to shell out for the modem.
Playstation 2's pad...now where have I seen that before. Is that the same pad as the PS1 I say? Suddenly I get a Playstation owner shouting at me. No it isn't it has a better rumble and analogue buttons! So what. The GameCube controller is superior with analogue all over the place and a new C stick. It is just wonderful and is sure to be the most comfy thing you have held since you first touched the N64's pad. Ok it looks a bit weird, but what did you think when you first saw the N64's pad. The word I used certainly was not nice.
Ok the Game Cubes specs are practically the same as the PS2s but loading times are promised to be minimal. Whever Nintendo can keep this promise is yet to be seen but hopefully their word is to be trusted. The only worry is companies who are not used to working with CDs might have trouble getting the most out of the new format of Games especially as they are not your normal Cds. Game Cube to me is still the better console even if it wont fit under my tv.
Sony's lack of online play has made the Ps2 suffer too. The Game Cube is going to be released with a 56k modem and a BroadBand one so you will be able to use the phone at the same time as playing. Imagine playing your mate at Perfect Dark zero down the road or even in another country without having to gtout of that comfy seat you r in. Ok Pc owners like us all have had this chance for ages but if like me you have a pretty cr*p Pc you probably have not had the chance to play such games as Counter strike and Unreal tournie, to name a few, online. The Game Cube will allow anyone who owns it to do this as long as they are willing to shell out for the modem.
Playstation 2's pad...now where have I seen that before. Is that the same pad as the PS1 I say? Suddenly I get a Playstation owner shouting at me. No it isn't it has a better rumble and analogue buttons! So what. The GameCube controller is superior with analogue all over the place and a new C stick. It is just wonderful and is sure to be the most comfy thing you have held since you first touched the N64's pad. Ok it looks a bit weird, but what did you think when you first saw the N64's pad. The word I used certainly was not nice.
Ok the Game Cubes specs are practically the same as the PS2s but loading times are promised to be minimal. Whever Nintendo can keep this promise is yet to be seen but hopefully their word is to be trusted. The only worry is companies who are not used to working with CDs might have trouble getting the most out of the new format of Games especially as they are not your normal Cds. Game Cube to me is still the better console even if it wont fit under my tv.
Blooming cheats.
Sorry this didn't win Dan :-(
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