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Nowadays, nobody is making any more decent Rpg's. i am a fan
of rpg's and the only decent ones been released recently are the Baldurs Gate and Icewin dale series. (i do not c**t Diablo 2 as an RPG)Have RPG's becom obsolete?
of rpg's and the only decent ones been released recently are the Baldurs Gate and Icewin dale series. (i do not c**t Diablo 2 as an RPG)Have RPG's becom obsolete?
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Firstly to Sheepy: None taken but Nyah nyah 8'P (just jesting with ya).
Right onto the main topic. Well for one thing Ultima 9 doesn't seem to work with my P3 700 with a Geforce graphics card (or is it Geforce 2? no I don't think so) so I wouldn't bother getting it at all although I think it's just because it has absoloutley no compatibility with anything but a Voodoo card. There might be a patch but I don't know if it's worth it (although I bought the game so maybe I should try it some time eh?). Secondly, Zelda. No it's not an RPG, in any way shape or form. You can't be said to play a role because you can't make any moral decisions for your character (well wouldn't you want to stab that damned frustrating princess... not to mention a whole host of other darned cutesy characters?). It's also lacking in the stat and character building parts and although there may be skills or at least items to be obtained they never change and there is no choice between them. So it's an adventure game because it follows the usual "get item and kill bad guy" format with no alternatives (in this case get master sword and kill Ganondorf, who would make a good main character in a game if they made him less cheesy and maybe gave him a hood). It's also a 3D platformer I suppose so we'll say a 3D platforming adventure.
Console RPGs you say? Yes well I suppose they are becoming a reality, but not nearly to the extent they can be done on PCs. Still I suppose it's good progress since it gives a taste of the pleasant fruit that is the RPG to those who find themselves drawn to the small accessible box which fits nicely into your room under your TV. Of course it'll be a while until a console company does something as big as the Massively Multiplayer On-line RPGs (or MMORPGs as they are better known) and by then who knows what you'll get on the PC. Still these MMORPGs are still in the early stages and they charge you monthly for access, some would say the price is reasonable but since you probably get a slow game unless you have a broadband connection then it may not be reasonable to most 56k owners and certainly not reasonable for those with the slower types of modem. Still one day they'll maybe let them be free. Of course at the moment you can play things like Baldur's Gate free over the internet so that's a plus. I suppose they do need the money to keep these things running though, I've heard they cost a lot, but I must admit I like the idea of magic billboards with adverts in the world and they could have ones that advertise things specific to the area of the world that a person used in their registration. If it made them free would you complain?
One of my favorite games ever is Fallout2 and it had turn based combat so I can't see it as being a bad thing. Infact in this case it may be one of the best things, perhaps it's the look of it when your character slowly raises his pistol and blows the enemy's head off and then relaxes (we're talking magnums by the way no peashooter is going to decapitate your enemy... except maybe if you have the sniper skill and a good small guns skill) it's just one of those classic gaming moments and it means you aren't always looking for strength in a gun because style is always a good thing. Of course in Fallout Tactics you can play a kind of turn based/real time combo thing that uses recharging action points (which recharge faster if you have more) to decide when actions are done and how much can be done or you could always switch back to turn based if you prefer (and you won't because this is a great system). If they use that system for Fallout 3, I don't think I would complain and it would add a new element because if someone surprises you with an attack you the player wont necessarily be ready for it thus increasing your association with your character in that you experience the surprise attack just as he does.
I'm glad someone invented RPGs.
Firstly to Sheepy: None taken but Nyah nyah 8'P (just jesting with ya).
Right onto the main topic. Well for one thing Ultima 9 doesn't seem to work with my P3 700 with a Geforce graphics card (or is it Geforce 2? no I don't think so) so I wouldn't bother getting it at all although I think it's just because it has absoloutley no compatibility with anything but a Voodoo card. There might be a patch but I don't know if it's worth it (although I bought the game so maybe I should try it some time eh?). Secondly, Zelda. No it's not an RPG, in any way shape or form. You can't be said to play a role because you can't make any moral decisions for your character (well wouldn't you want to stab that damned frustrating princess... not to mention a whole host of other darned cutesy characters?). It's also lacking in the stat and character building parts and although there may be skills or at least items to be obtained they never change and there is no choice between them. So it's an adventure game because it follows the usual "get item and kill bad guy" format with no alternatives (in this case get master sword and kill Ganondorf, who would make a good main character in a game if they made him less cheesy and maybe gave him a hood). It's also a 3D platformer I suppose so we'll say a 3D platforming adventure.
Console RPGs you say? Yes well I suppose they are becoming a reality, but not nearly to the extent they can be done on PCs. Still I suppose it's good progress since it gives a taste of the pleasant fruit that is the RPG to those who find themselves drawn to the small accessible box which fits nicely into your room under your TV. Of course it'll be a while until a console company does something as big as the Massively Multiplayer On-line RPGs (or MMORPGs as they are better known) and by then who knows what you'll get on the PC. Still these MMORPGs are still in the early stages and they charge you monthly for access, some would say the price is reasonable but since you probably get a slow game unless you have a broadband connection then it may not be reasonable to most 56k owners and certainly not reasonable for those with the slower types of modem. Still one day they'll maybe let them be free. Of course at the moment you can play things like Baldur's Gate free over the internet so that's a plus. I suppose they do need the money to keep these things running though, I've heard they cost a lot, but I must admit I like the idea of magic billboards with adverts in the world and they could have ones that advertise things specific to the area of the world that a person used in their registration. If it made them free would you complain?
One of my favorite games ever is Fallout2 and it had turn based combat so I can't see it as being a bad thing. Infact in this case it may be one of the best things, perhaps it's the look of it when your character slowly raises his pistol and blows the enemy's head off and then relaxes (we're talking magnums by the way no peashooter is going to decapitate your enemy... except maybe if you have the sniper skill and a good small guns skill) it's just one of those classic gaming moments and it means you aren't always looking for strength in a gun because style is always a good thing. Of course in Fallout Tactics you can play a kind of turn based/real time combo thing that uses recharging action points (which recharge faster if you have more) to decide when actions are done and how much can be done or you could always switch back to turn based if you prefer (and you won't because this is a great system). If they use that system for Fallout 3, I don't think I would complain and it would add a new element because if someone surprises you with an attack you the player wont necessarily be ready for it thus increasing your association with your character in that you experience the surprise attack just as he does.
I'm glad someone invented RPGs.
adrian wrote:
Over 40 hours for FF7 and thats just to complete it
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Meh! My mate is an RPG nut-head and he has spent about 30 hours on Skies of Arcadia and he's only on disc one!
Over 40 hours for FF7 and thats just to complete it
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Meh! My mate is an RPG nut-head and he has spent about 30 hours on Skies of Arcadia and he's only on disc one!
Some are getting quite boring! But CBFD was really good and I think I migtht take a lok at Ayden Chronicles!
Seen as everyone is having their say on RPGs I though I would too. In my opinion RPGs are the best type of games (so long as they are done correctly). RPGs are great for many reasons which I will now try to state.
(note: just read the first few lines till you get where its going, if you are in a hurry or can't be bothered reading lots as most lines give examples)
Firstly RPGs usually have a wide variety of ways to represent yourself in the game world. In Baldurs Gate for example you can be a Human, an Elf, a Dwarf, a Half Elf, a Gnome or a Halfling. After you have chosen your race you can then choose a profession a Theif, a Ranger, a Fighter, a Paladin, a Bard, a Mage, a Specialist Mage, a Druid or a Cleric. However not all races can choose every class but all races appart from Humans can choose to mix some of these professions. Once you choose your profession (A.K.A Class) you must then choose an alignment Lawful Good, Neutral Good, Chaotic Good, Lawful Neutral, True Neutral, Chaotic Neutral, Lawful Evil, Neutral Evil, Chaotic Neutral. Once you've done all that you can roll your stats then allocate them so you have strengths and weaknesses. Then you choose what weapons to be good with. Lastly, for wizards only, you can choose some starting spells.
Secondly once you actually begin the game there is often various way's in which you can complete the tasks set before you. Basically there is a good way, an evil way and a neutral way (well usually not a neutral way, you have to balance your good acts with your bad yourself). Then a way for Warriors, a way for Wizards, a way for Theifs and a mixed way if you're a Cleric or Druid.
Lastly and probably the best thing about RPG's is that you can do whatever you want! Obviously there are some restrictions but far less than in any other type of game. RPG's often have romance in them as an option. Annah in Planescape:Torment. The girl in Cove in Ultima 7 the Black Gate (something starting with N) and of course the fairy on the weird Island (her name is Kissme, no really). Baldurs Gate 2 also contains love interests 3 for male and 3 for female characters (at least i think its only 3). I havent explored these relationships as a female character as I have only played through as a male. Being a male in real life I found that Viconia the Drow is the best to have a relationship with. Viconia requires a lot of work, you have to keep your cool and give her time also be prepared for sadness. Aerie is a pain in the neck, I am a patient person but even I find her boring. If you give Aerie a try the key is to be nice all the time although I havent finished a game with the Aerie relationship. Jaheria is actually a very close second to Viconia. she requires alot of patience but is fun and worth the effort. Unfortunatly when I completed the game with this relationship going it seemed to stop a bit after the Underdark. I think I may have gone to Spell Hold too quickly so give yourself a lot of time maybe wait until the fuss with the harpers is completely finished before you leave the main land to rescue Imoen. Jaheria never once asked about sex (you dont get to see any "cool" animations, its just for realism) but Viconia and the other one did. Next time I play BG2 I will do the Jaheria relationship again. Back to the "do whatever you want!" bit. It is sometimes possible (though not recommended) to kill everyone you meet which can be fun but then you think "I can't kill Viconia though" so that blows the whole idea out of the water.
So in conclusion: no matter what you like, be it romance, adventure, killing, problem solving, magic, strategy etc. it can all be found in an RPG. So if you dont have a PC go and buy one! Then buy all RPG's ever created by Black Isle. Also I recomend you buy the Ultima Collection (not Ultima 9 though, it doesnt work unless you have a Voodoo Graphics card and 700mhz + processor) and also buy the Quest for Glory anthology because it's good (at least Quest for Glory 1 & 2 are).
By the way Viconia can be found in the government block, outside the prison, tied to a stake Go There Now! Interplay and Black Isle can be found at www.interplay.com
I'll have to play BG2 now and Probably Planescape: Torment after all Annah, Jaheria and Viconia are all so much sexier than Lara Croft! (Maybe not Angelina Jolie though).
(note: just read the first few lines till you get where its going, if you are in a hurry or can't be bothered reading lots as most lines give examples)
Firstly RPGs usually have a wide variety of ways to represent yourself in the game world. In Baldurs Gate for example you can be a Human, an Elf, a Dwarf, a Half Elf, a Gnome or a Halfling. After you have chosen your race you can then choose a profession a Theif, a Ranger, a Fighter, a Paladin, a Bard, a Mage, a Specialist Mage, a Druid or a Cleric. However not all races can choose every class but all races appart from Humans can choose to mix some of these professions. Once you choose your profession (A.K.A Class) you must then choose an alignment Lawful Good, Neutral Good, Chaotic Good, Lawful Neutral, True Neutral, Chaotic Neutral, Lawful Evil, Neutral Evil, Chaotic Neutral. Once you've done all that you can roll your stats then allocate them so you have strengths and weaknesses. Then you choose what weapons to be good with. Lastly, for wizards only, you can choose some starting spells.
Secondly once you actually begin the game there is often various way's in which you can complete the tasks set before you. Basically there is a good way, an evil way and a neutral way (well usually not a neutral way, you have to balance your good acts with your bad yourself). Then a way for Warriors, a way for Wizards, a way for Theifs and a mixed way if you're a Cleric or Druid.
Lastly and probably the best thing about RPG's is that you can do whatever you want! Obviously there are some restrictions but far less than in any other type of game. RPG's often have romance in them as an option. Annah in Planescape:Torment. The girl in Cove in Ultima 7 the Black Gate (something starting with N) and of course the fairy on the weird Island (her name is Kissme, no really). Baldurs Gate 2 also contains love interests 3 for male and 3 for female characters (at least i think its only 3). I havent explored these relationships as a female character as I have only played through as a male. Being a male in real life I found that Viconia the Drow is the best to have a relationship with. Viconia requires a lot of work, you have to keep your cool and give her time also be prepared for sadness. Aerie is a pain in the neck, I am a patient person but even I find her boring. If you give Aerie a try the key is to be nice all the time although I havent finished a game with the Aerie relationship. Jaheria is actually a very close second to Viconia. she requires alot of patience but is fun and worth the effort. Unfortunatly when I completed the game with this relationship going it seemed to stop a bit after the Underdark. I think I may have gone to Spell Hold too quickly so give yourself a lot of time maybe wait until the fuss with the harpers is completely finished before you leave the main land to rescue Imoen. Jaheria never once asked about sex (you dont get to see any "cool" animations, its just for realism) but Viconia and the other one did. Next time I play BG2 I will do the Jaheria relationship again. Back to the "do whatever you want!" bit. It is sometimes possible (though not recommended) to kill everyone you meet which can be fun but then you think "I can't kill Viconia though" so that blows the whole idea out of the water.
So in conclusion: no matter what you like, be it romance, adventure, killing, problem solving, magic, strategy etc. it can all be found in an RPG. So if you dont have a PC go and buy one! Then buy all RPG's ever created by Black Isle. Also I recomend you buy the Ultima Collection (not Ultima 9 though, it doesnt work unless you have a Voodoo Graphics card and 700mhz + processor) and also buy the Quest for Glory anthology because it's good (at least Quest for Glory 1 & 2 are).
By the way Viconia can be found in the government block, outside the prison, tied to a stake Go There Now! Interplay and Black Isle can be found at www.interplay.com
I'll have to play BG2 now and Probably Planescape: Torment after all Annah, Jaheria and Viconia are all so much sexier than Lara Croft! (Maybe not Angelina Jolie though).
The biggest and one of the best RPG's is actually on Dreamcast in the form of Phantasy Star Online. I'd rather play this type of RPG as well as it's more puzle tasking and you get stuck into battle, unlike your Final Fantasy games where it's take it in turns and kick some backside.
PSO is also one of the longest games, as you have to reach Level 100 in experience which takes ages, it's online and being the first console online game, and it's more playable than most games, let alone RPG's.
If ya want a game, get this one, unless you're working like me and it takes ages to do anything. My weekends were ruined when I bought that. But it's well worth it from the friends I made, and good fun in the gameplay.
I rest my case. Unless someone says something about my opinion.
PSO is also one of the longest games, as you have to reach Level 100 in experience which takes ages, it's online and being the first console online game, and it's more playable than most games, let alone RPG's.
If ya want a game, get this one, unless you're working like me and it takes ages to do anything. My weekends were ruined when I bought that. But it's well worth it from the friends I made, and good fun in the gameplay.
I rest my case. Unless someone says something about my opinion.
turbonutter wrote:
> Nah, SHEEPY posted his war thing yesterday.
I did not set out to win with that, but it would have been nice. Compared to gronti's post below (no offence gronti) it was the king of posts for that day.
It did have nothing to do with gaming though :D
POWER OF THE SHEEP
> Nah, SHEEPY posted his war thing yesterday.
I did not set out to win with that, but it would have been nice. Compared to gronti's post below (no offence gronti) it was the king of posts for that day.
It did have nothing to do with gaming though :D
POWER OF THE SHEEP
Answer: No.
Many genres have to evolve to stay popular, and online RPGs are the latest trend in RPGs.
I don't play many PC RPG's, I can't get away with sitting at a PC for long hours without tiny hands pressing buttons and pushing power switches, so I usually stick to consoles.
Console RPGs are rather different to PC RPGs, often shorter, and maybe less involving. You have the differences between the menu driven combat games, and the real time combat ones.
How exactly do you classify an RPG though?
I always thought that stat building was one of the features of an RPG, with your character gaining experience, and growing stronger through battles. Zelda does not have this, so I don't really classify it as an RPG, more of an adventure. But then the old platform games aren't platform games anymore now that we have 3D games, and they're known as 'adventures'. ?
Many genres have to evolve to stay popular, and online RPGs are the latest trend in RPGs.
I don't play many PC RPG's, I can't get away with sitting at a PC for long hours without tiny hands pressing buttons and pushing power switches, so I usually stick to consoles.
Console RPGs are rather different to PC RPGs, often shorter, and maybe less involving. You have the differences between the menu driven combat games, and the real time combat ones.
How exactly do you classify an RPG though?
I always thought that stat building was one of the features of an RPG, with your character gaining experience, and growing stronger through battles. Zelda does not have this, so I don't really classify it as an RPG, more of an adventure. But then the old platform games aren't platform games anymore now that we have 3D games, and they're known as 'adventures'. ?
Nah, SHEEPY posted his war thing yesterday.
Nah, er-no posted his war thing yesterday.
gronti_v wrote:
> Firstly we'll deal with the Diablo2 issue. Diablo 2 is a RPG in the
> sense that it is a game in which you play a role of your character
> and develop it as the game progresses. However, it is a Hack and
> Slash RPG which is a different classification to what some people
> might say are true RPGs which tend to involve more character
> interaction (chatting) and a more deep and involved
> storyline.
Right, now as to the main subject "Are RPGs
> obsolete?" the answer is obviously no. As we all know Baldur's
> Gate 2 and the like were all great games done by Black Isle (or
> Interplay if you prefer but same difference) and Black Isle are in
> the process of making more RPGs. For example the well known
> Neverwinter Nights is on it's way to out screens from those
> pre-mentioned good people and promises to be a great RPG especially
> since it goes back to the old pen and paper ability of making your
> own quests, not to mention the multiplayer capabilities. Another
> game from the same people I just recently heard about is Torn which
> seems to be a new fully 3D RPG which is perhaps intended as a filler
> until Neverwinter Nights came out. Remember that Planescape:
> Torment was made in a similar way and was a really superb game in
> it's own right so don't immediately think that they wont put any
> effort into Torn. There's also the recently released
> "Expansion Pack" to Baldur's Gate 2 that is essentially a
> completely new game since you can get to level 40 and there are
> enough new spells and monsters to match! I think that's all but
> then that's all the games from one company.
The main thing is
> that you must have patience, the majority of the industry avoid
> taking any risks by making RPGs and they do seem difficult to do as
> well as Black Isle do them, plus they would have to be confident in
> their ability to compete with the masters. So what this means is
> that we RPG fans must wait and replay our old favorites for a few
> months between every release of another RPG, but with the quality we
> get it is well worth the wait. It can be fun to replay an RPG as a
> different character class or even as a different personality
> (favoring evil or good) to keep you busy between releases. Of
> course you could always turn your attention to other areas while you
> wait. Hack and Slash RPGs do tend to have good lastability because
> of their monster fighting fun without the story being as relevant,
> meaning that if you know the story it doesn't really matter. First
> Person Shooters appeal to many people in the simplicity and quick
> fun that can be had by playing them, especially if you have on-line
> access and they can also have some good involving single player. I
> don't know anyone who isn't a fan of Real Time Strategy games in
> some way because they can appeal to both the quick action players
> and the time taking tactical players since there are so many to
> choose from that are usually unique.
So the RPG is not obsolete,
> it is just slowly repositioning itself in our hearts and though we
> may sometimes have to wait for the next one we always know that it
> will be worth it.
dum de dum de dum, this looks likely to be Gronti's 5th win... GAD winner has just been found methinks...
> Firstly we'll deal with the Diablo2 issue. Diablo 2 is a RPG in the
> sense that it is a game in which you play a role of your character
> and develop it as the game progresses. However, it is a Hack and
> Slash RPG which is a different classification to what some people
> might say are true RPGs which tend to involve more character
> interaction (chatting) and a more deep and involved
> storyline.
Right, now as to the main subject "Are RPGs
> obsolete?" the answer is obviously no. As we all know Baldur's
> Gate 2 and the like were all great games done by Black Isle (or
> Interplay if you prefer but same difference) and Black Isle are in
> the process of making more RPGs. For example the well known
> Neverwinter Nights is on it's way to out screens from those
> pre-mentioned good people and promises to be a great RPG especially
> since it goes back to the old pen and paper ability of making your
> own quests, not to mention the multiplayer capabilities. Another
> game from the same people I just recently heard about is Torn which
> seems to be a new fully 3D RPG which is perhaps intended as a filler
> until Neverwinter Nights came out. Remember that Planescape:
> Torment was made in a similar way and was a really superb game in
> it's own right so don't immediately think that they wont put any
> effort into Torn. There's also the recently released
> "Expansion Pack" to Baldur's Gate 2 that is essentially a
> completely new game since you can get to level 40 and there are
> enough new spells and monsters to match! I think that's all but
> then that's all the games from one company.
The main thing is
> that you must have patience, the majority of the industry avoid
> taking any risks by making RPGs and they do seem difficult to do as
> well as Black Isle do them, plus they would have to be confident in
> their ability to compete with the masters. So what this means is
> that we RPG fans must wait and replay our old favorites for a few
> months between every release of another RPG, but with the quality we
> get it is well worth the wait. It can be fun to replay an RPG as a
> different character class or even as a different personality
> (favoring evil or good) to keep you busy between releases. Of
> course you could always turn your attention to other areas while you
> wait. Hack and Slash RPGs do tend to have good lastability because
> of their monster fighting fun without the story being as relevant,
> meaning that if you know the story it doesn't really matter. First
> Person Shooters appeal to many people in the simplicity and quick
> fun that can be had by playing them, especially if you have on-line
> access and they can also have some good involving single player. I
> don't know anyone who isn't a fan of Real Time Strategy games in
> some way because they can appeal to both the quick action players
> and the time taking tactical players since there are so many to
> choose from that are usually unique.
So the RPG is not obsolete,
> it is just slowly repositioning itself in our hearts and though we
> may sometimes have to wait for the next one we always know that it
> will be worth it.
dum de dum de dum, this looks likely to be Gronti's 5th win... GAD winner has just been found methinks...
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