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Pearl Harbor the latest Hollywood block buster film is recently being criticised for 'changing history' like so many other Hollywood films. In it apparently they depict the Japanese as being the innocent, blaming the US for Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor. Why did they do this? To make money. The Japanese market is huge for the film industry and it was this that made them show the Japanese to be not the criminals of war they really were but people who attacked Pearl Harbor because they felt threatened.
The real story is that Pearl Harbor was attacked without warning by the Japanese who weren't even provoked. It is classed by many as one of the greatest war crimes of all times.
So is Hollywood being greedy? Exchanging cash for changing history and in the process upsetting and offending many brave people who were part of World War II?
This isn't the first time Hollywood's twisted the truth. In the war films U-571 and Saving Private Ryan the truth was twisted to appeal to it's main audiences. In U-571 the Americans were depicted as heroes yet the people responsible for the thing they supposedly did were the British. Why did they do this? To appeal to their American audience of course. And the people who should be honoured for doing this and helping the world be Nazi free are not and instead being forgotten. Imagine how these people must feel if alive or dead. Don't they deserve any honour? In Saving Private Ryan again Spielberg gave all the glory to Americans rather than the other British and Canadians that were involved.
I just ask film makers will in future give the deserved people their glory if they are writing about a historic event in war. Do the people involved justice and for once stop being greedy. As great as the USA thinks it is it has no right.
The real story is that Pearl Harbor was attacked without warning by the Japanese who weren't even provoked. It is classed by many as one of the greatest war crimes of all times.
So is Hollywood being greedy? Exchanging cash for changing history and in the process upsetting and offending many brave people who were part of World War II?
This isn't the first time Hollywood's twisted the truth. In the war films U-571 and Saving Private Ryan the truth was twisted to appeal to it's main audiences. In U-571 the Americans were depicted as heroes yet the people responsible for the thing they supposedly did were the British. Why did they do this? To appeal to their American audience of course. And the people who should be honoured for doing this and helping the world be Nazi free are not and instead being forgotten. Imagine how these people must feel if alive or dead. Don't they deserve any honour? In Saving Private Ryan again Spielberg gave all the glory to Americans rather than the other British and Canadians that were involved.
I just ask film makers will in future give the deserved people their glory if they are writing about a historic event in war. Do the people involved justice and for once stop being greedy. As great as the USA thinks it is it has no right.
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It's not just Hollywood that is changing history, if thats the way you look at it, but the British education system is doing something similar as well.
Now, before i start i want to point out that what the Germans did during the war was, basically, well out of order, i dont know how else to put it.
BUT, what some people dont know is that we were just as bad. The British "invented" the concentration camps when we were building our empire. We treated other countires people just as badly, if not worse, than how Hitler treated the people in the countries he took over.
But we're not taught this in schools, we are taught that when we tried to take over the world, which we effectively tried to do when building the emprie, we were just and fair. We aren't taught that we were the pionneers (sp?) of the concentration camps and Hitler followed our example.
We are taught that Britian was fair in it's treating of the empire, and that Hitler was an evil b@$tard.
I agree that Hitler was evil, in that he persecuted all the jews etc, but in out history we have done things that are just as bad.
Also, Saving Private Ryan, the stroyline, had nothing to do with the English, thats why we weren't in the film. The landings on the bach were done by all American forces, and PRivate Ryan was an american character. I agree that in films like U-571 (which is a load of rubbish), they get their facts wrong.
Now, before i start i want to point out that what the Germans did during the war was, basically, well out of order, i dont know how else to put it.
BUT, what some people dont know is that we were just as bad. The British "invented" the concentration camps when we were building our empire. We treated other countires people just as badly, if not worse, than how Hitler treated the people in the countries he took over.
But we're not taught this in schools, we are taught that when we tried to take over the world, which we effectively tried to do when building the emprie, we were just and fair. We aren't taught that we were the pionneers (sp?) of the concentration camps and Hitler followed our example.
We are taught that Britian was fair in it's treating of the empire, and that Hitler was an evil b@$tard.
I agree that Hitler was evil, in that he persecuted all the jews etc, but in out history we have done things that are just as bad.
Also, Saving Private Ryan, the stroyline, had nothing to do with the English, thats why we weren't in the film. The landings on the bach were done by all American forces, and PRivate Ryan was an american character. I agree that in films like U-571 (which is a load of rubbish), they get their facts wrong.
36Degrees wrote:
Hitler done whatever he wanted, was he an idiot? Didnt he
> want more land, he tried to get more living space!
And something that was about the extermination of 6 million jews, obliteration of intellectuals, book burnings, Aryan Idealism...
Pearl Harbour is an odious movie, taking a great tragedy and turning into a moron love story.
You do NOT turn something like that into a love story anymore than you do The Titanic...hang on a minute...
Just because it was a while ago, doesnt make it any less relevent.
Would you watch a touching love story set in Hillsborough?
Or how about a comedy about concentration camps? Ah yes, "Life is Beatiful" I forgot about that one.
And it won an Oscar.
Shame on The Academy for awarding an oscar for a comedy set in about,and about one of the worst periods in human history.
The problem is, Hollywood takes these stories, sets them to a historical background and it is accepted as fact.
Braveheart was a good movie, but historically innacurate as you can be.
Yes, it's entertainment, but if you set it against a true event, it is only honourable to try to be as accurate as possible.
And I question making entertainment out of war.
Schindler's List was an attempt at serious commentary, but still lapsed into Hollywood and let you off the hook.
This isn't right.
Hitler done whatever he wanted, was he an idiot? Didnt he
> want more land, he tried to get more living space!
And something that was about the extermination of 6 million jews, obliteration of intellectuals, book burnings, Aryan Idealism...
Pearl Harbour is an odious movie, taking a great tragedy and turning into a moron love story.
You do NOT turn something like that into a love story anymore than you do The Titanic...hang on a minute...
Just because it was a while ago, doesnt make it any less relevent.
Would you watch a touching love story set in Hillsborough?
Or how about a comedy about concentration camps? Ah yes, "Life is Beatiful" I forgot about that one.
And it won an Oscar.
Shame on The Academy for awarding an oscar for a comedy set in about,and about one of the worst periods in human history.
The problem is, Hollywood takes these stories, sets them to a historical background and it is accepted as fact.
Braveheart was a good movie, but historically innacurate as you can be.
Yes, it's entertainment, but if you set it against a true event, it is only honourable to try to be as accurate as possible.
And I question making entertainment out of war.
Schindler's List was an attempt at serious commentary, but still lapsed into Hollywood and let you off the hook.
This isn't right.
I think the point is that something that isn't historically correct can pass itself off as a historical film and change many impressionable minds in the process.
Look at the current state of cinema turning against the English. There is little pride in being English, other than the wrong sort which is made up of small minded individuals that think racism is a cool idea - they make me sick, and although this is not the sole cause, cinema doesn't help too much when big blockbuster films either portray us as cowards or monsters, or completely re-write history to allow their own countries to reap the rewards that the English lost many lives for.
How can we improve our own image? Make more films about how good the English are/were. After all, we have less crime and problems than America, less pollution, more famous inventors (although a lot less than Scotland) and far more history, good as well as bad.
Look at the current state of cinema turning against the English. There is little pride in being English, other than the wrong sort which is made up of small minded individuals that think racism is a cool idea - they make me sick, and although this is not the sole cause, cinema doesn't help too much when big blockbuster films either portray us as cowards or monsters, or completely re-write history to allow their own countries to reap the rewards that the English lost many lives for.
How can we improve our own image? Make more films about how good the English are/were. After all, we have less crime and problems than America, less pollution, more famous inventors (although a lot less than Scotland) and far more history, good as well as bad.
Movies are just trying to make a message, and they are trying to put across a point, dont have to be true..
if it was true then wed all think we were in the matrix
Its a MOVIE not A HISTORY LESSION
Hitler done whatever he wanted, was he an idiot? Didnt he want more land, he tried to get more living space!
if it was true then wed all think we were in the matrix
Its a MOVIE not A HISTORY LESSION
Hitler done whatever he wanted, was he an idiot? Didnt he want more land, he tried to get more living space!
Here's something quite comical to note. Germany made Japan lose the war. Einstein was a Jew in Germany and if it wasn't for Hitler's policies he would have stayed in Germany instead of fleeing he would have helped them develop the atomic bomb first and they would have won.. scary hey. But then again Hitler was an idiot. His attack on Russia was crazy - expecting to beat them quickly. He had a Non Agression Pact for goodness sake - What an idiot!
Rakuga wrote:
In it apparently they depict the Japanese as being the
innocent, blaming the US for Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor. Why did they do this? To make money. The Japanese market is huge for the film industry and it was this that made them show the Japanese to be not the criminals of war they really were but people who attacked Pearl Harbor because they felt threatened.
The real story is that Pearl Harbor was attacked without warning by the Japanese who weren't even provoked. It is classed by many as one of the greatest war crimes of all times.
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A couple of things about Pearl Harbor you may want to know:
It came on the anniversary of the first American ambassador who refused to bow to the emperor.
It happened just as the USA had cut off Japan's oil supply through their policy of encirclement, moving into Burma and Southeast Asia.
They had intercepted radio traffic giving much of the details away.
And just as well, or the nazis would have taken over the rest of Europe and developed the atomic bomb had the USA stayed "neutral" much longer.
Surprise attack? Not if anyone was paying attention. Unprovoked? Only if you don't look into the events leading up to it. Compare this to Hitler's invasion of Poland.
In it apparently they depict the Japanese as being the
innocent, blaming the US for Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor. Why did they do this? To make money. The Japanese market is huge for the film industry and it was this that made them show the Japanese to be not the criminals of war they really were but people who attacked Pearl Harbor because they felt threatened.
The real story is that Pearl Harbor was attacked without warning by the Japanese who weren't even provoked. It is classed by many as one of the greatest war crimes of all times.
......
A couple of things about Pearl Harbor you may want to know:
It came on the anniversary of the first American ambassador who refused to bow to the emperor.
It happened just as the USA had cut off Japan's oil supply through their policy of encirclement, moving into Burma and Southeast Asia.
They had intercepted radio traffic giving much of the details away.
And just as well, or the nazis would have taken over the rest of Europe and developed the atomic bomb had the USA stayed "neutral" much longer.
Surprise attack? Not if anyone was paying attention. Unprovoked? Only if you don't look into the events leading up to it. Compare this to Hitler's invasion of Poland.
Pearl Harbor the latest Hollywood block buster film is recently being criticised for 'changing history' like so many other Hollywood films. In it apparently they depict the Japanese as being the innocent, blaming the US for Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor. Why did they do this? To make money. The Japanese market is huge for the film industry and it was this that made them show the Japanese to be not the criminals of war they really were but people who attacked Pearl Harbor because they felt threatened.
The real story is that Pearl Harbor was attacked without warning by the Japanese who weren't even provoked. It is classed by many as one of the greatest war crimes of all times.
So is Hollywood being greedy? Exchanging cash for changing history and in the process upsetting and offending many brave people who were part of World War II?
This isn't the first time Hollywood's twisted the truth. In the war films U-571 and Saving Private Ryan the truth was twisted to appeal to it's main audiences. In U-571 the Americans were depicted as heroes yet the people responsible for the thing they supposedly did were the British. Why did they do this? To appeal to their American audience of course. And the people who should be honoured for doing this and helping the world be Nazi free are not and instead being forgotten. Imagine how these people must feel if alive or dead. Don't they deserve any honour? In Saving Private Ryan again Spielberg gave all the glory to Americans rather than the other British and Canadians that were involved.
I just ask film makers will in future give the deserved people their glory if they are writing about a historic event in war. Do the people involved justice and for once stop being greedy. As great as the USA thinks it is it has no right.
The real story is that Pearl Harbor was attacked without warning by the Japanese who weren't even provoked. It is classed by many as one of the greatest war crimes of all times.
So is Hollywood being greedy? Exchanging cash for changing history and in the process upsetting and offending many brave people who were part of World War II?
This isn't the first time Hollywood's twisted the truth. In the war films U-571 and Saving Private Ryan the truth was twisted to appeal to it's main audiences. In U-571 the Americans were depicted as heroes yet the people responsible for the thing they supposedly did were the British. Why did they do this? To appeal to their American audience of course. And the people who should be honoured for doing this and helping the world be Nazi free are not and instead being forgotten. Imagine how these people must feel if alive or dead. Don't they deserve any honour? In Saving Private Ryan again Spielberg gave all the glory to Americans rather than the other British and Canadians that were involved.
I just ask film makers will in future give the deserved people their glory if they are writing about a historic event in war. Do the people involved justice and for once stop being greedy. As great as the USA thinks it is it has no right.
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