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I'm wondering exactly which retarded twit monkey came up with the idea for how Batista's push is going?
In 2 weeks he's made two wrestlers look pathetic by powering out of one finisher after it had been clamped in and making Benoit look like nothing (what's wrong with using the ropes to break the hold and then let him fight back and unleash his finisher?) and kicking straight out of Rhyno's gore.
The best type of push is to make the wrestler look strong while not making the guys he's going over look pathetic, which has happened in both instances. I've always thought it an unwritten rule in wrestling that if you get hit with the guy's finisher and he pins you straight away you don't get back up out of it because for every person that gets pinned by that finisher from there on it makes them also look pathetic to the other guy.
And another example of more great creative decisions when you have a Cruiserweight title match going on yet the camera is on some guy outside the ring for half of the match. It devalues the belt (although we all know what Vince thinks of anyone under 6 foot 3) and makes those 2 wrestlers seem like nothing even though both Funaki and Akio have more talent in their little finger then Carlito has in his whole body and afro.
God how has the WWE not gone out of business yet?
In 2 weeks he's made two wrestlers look pathetic by powering out of one finisher after it had been clamped in and making Benoit look like nothing (what's wrong with using the ropes to break the hold and then let him fight back and unleash his finisher?) and kicking straight out of Rhyno's gore.
The best type of push is to make the wrestler look strong while not making the guys he's going over look pathetic, which has happened in both instances. I've always thought it an unwritten rule in wrestling that if you get hit with the guy's finisher and he pins you straight away you don't get back up out of it because for every person that gets pinned by that finisher from there on it makes them also look pathetic to the other guy.
And another example of more great creative decisions when you have a Cruiserweight title match going on yet the camera is on some guy outside the ring for half of the match. It devalues the belt (although we all know what Vince thinks of anyone under 6 foot 3) and makes those 2 wrestlers seem like nothing even though both Funaki and Akio have more talent in their little finger then Carlito has in his whole body and afro.
God how has the WWE not gone out of business yet?
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Wardy_MoD wrote:
> Back to the topic...Carlito has little talent...i agree
>
> They sent Jesus back for more training after he got whooped by Cena,
> maybe they should do the same to Carlito
Actually Jesus (or Aaron Aguilera as everyone outside the WWE knows him) isn't doing any training anywhere. He suffered a serious neck injury in a house show the week before his match with Cena. He's likely to be on the shelf between 8 and 12 months.
> Back to the topic...Carlito has little talent...i agree
>
> They sent Jesus back for more training after he got whooped by Cena,
> maybe they should do the same to Carlito
Actually Jesus (or Aaron Aguilera as everyone outside the WWE knows him) isn't doing any training anywhere. He suffered a serious neck injury in a house show the week before his match with Cena. He's likely to be on the shelf between 8 and 12 months.
Kawada wrote:
> Very_Metal wrote:
>
> Finishers/signiture moves need to be used int eh correct place, your
> point about them finishing people off no matter when is just
> unworkable, regardless of a naming technicality.
>
> i'm just going by the technicality :-D Of course in most matches the
> booking team, not even the WWE's, would have it so a finishing move
> is used on someone unless they want a really quick match (i.e Big
> Boss Man vs Rock)
was that the night the rock became corporate champion??
i seem to remember that being a swift inside cradle.
was there another match between the 2? i forget....
> Very_Metal wrote:
>
> Finishers/signiture moves need to be used int eh correct place, your
> point about them finishing people off no matter when is just
> unworkable, regardless of a naming technicality.
>
> i'm just going by the technicality :-D Of course in most matches the
> booking team, not even the WWE's, would have it so a finishing move
> is used on someone unless they want a really quick match (i.e Big
> Boss Man vs Rock)
was that the night the rock became corporate champion??
i seem to remember that being a swift inside cradle.
was there another match between the 2? i forget....
Very_Metal wrote:
> Finishers/signiture moves need to be used int eh correct place, your
> point about them finishing people off no matter when is just
> unworkable, regardless of a naming technicality.
i'm just going by the technicality :-D Of course in most matches the booking team, not even the WWE's, would have it so a finishing move is used on someone unless they want a really quick match (i.e Big Boss Man vs Rock)
> for example: i own a car (finisher move). it works best on a road
> (end of the match). if i drive the car into the sea (the start of the
> match), it's still a car... it's just useless.
>
> i think that last paragraph highlights JUST how tired i am right now
> :D
As it made no sense i think it does :-D
> Finishers/signiture moves need to be used int eh correct place, your
> point about them finishing people off no matter when is just
> unworkable, regardless of a naming technicality.
i'm just going by the technicality :-D Of course in most matches the booking team, not even the WWE's, would have it so a finishing move is used on someone unless they want a really quick match (i.e Big Boss Man vs Rock)
> for example: i own a car (finisher move). it works best on a road
> (end of the match). if i drive the car into the sea (the start of the
> match), it's still a car... it's just useless.
>
> i think that last paragraph highlights JUST how tired i am right now
> :D
As it made no sense i think it does :-D
Kawada wrote:
> the idea of a finishing move is just that, it finishes off the
> opponent whether it be in the first second of the match or the first
> hour
a finishing move is exactly that, but only when correctly applied (ie. not too soon). Anyone remember HHH vs Ultimate Warrior? Warriors no-sell of the pedigree made him look ultra tough, whereas HHH jobbing (yes, it happened once) to a flying shoulderblock in about 30 seconds made him look ultra-lame.
Finishers/signiture moves need to be used int eh correct place, your point about them finishing people off no matter when is just unworkable, regardless of a naming technicality.
for example: i own a car (finisher move). it works best on a road (end of the match). if i drive the car into the sea (the start of the match), it's still a car... it's just useless.
i think that last paragraph highlights JUST how tired i am right now :D
> the idea of a finishing move is just that, it finishes off the
> opponent whether it be in the first second of the match or the first
> hour
a finishing move is exactly that, but only when correctly applied (ie. not too soon). Anyone remember HHH vs Ultimate Warrior? Warriors no-sell of the pedigree made him look ultra tough, whereas HHH jobbing (yes, it happened once) to a flying shoulderblock in about 30 seconds made him look ultra-lame.
Finishers/signiture moves need to be used int eh correct place, your point about them finishing people off no matter when is just unworkable, regardless of a naming technicality.
for example: i own a car (finisher move). it works best on a road (end of the match). if i drive the car into the sea (the start of the match), it's still a car... it's just useless.
i think that last paragraph highlights JUST how tired i am right now :D
Cong Man wrote:
> On the subject of Japanese wrestling Kawada, I'm trying to clear up
> some confusion in my own head about Raw. Did Jim Ross make a mistake
> when Tajiri sprayed Green Mist in Grenier's face? He said 'shades of
> the Great Kabuki'. I don't remember Kabuki ever using the mist and I
> think he meant to say 'The Great Muta' not totally certain though and
> wondered if you knew?
Kabuki was an early-mid 90's WWF character that sprayed green mist everywhere. i don't think "the great" was part of the name though, JR may have been giving him slightly too much credit in stead.
> On the subject of Japanese wrestling Kawada, I'm trying to clear up
> some confusion in my own head about Raw. Did Jim Ross make a mistake
> when Tajiri sprayed Green Mist in Grenier's face? He said 'shades of
> the Great Kabuki'. I don't remember Kabuki ever using the mist and I
> think he meant to say 'The Great Muta' not totally certain though and
> wondered if you knew?
Kabuki was an early-mid 90's WWF character that sprayed green mist everywhere. i don't think "the great" was part of the name though, JR may have been giving him slightly too much credit in stead.
Lipe wrote:
> That's because it was offensive.
but also hilarious :-D
> That's because it was offensive.
but also hilarious :-D
Kawada wrote:
> (on a side note geez it's hard to find a picture of Ronaldo's
> celebration against Arsenal)
That's because it was offensive.
> (on a side note geez it's hard to find a picture of Ronaldo's
> celebration against Arsenal)
That's because it was offensive.
I hope that it isn't against King as well, especially after the Hassan storyline, although King did a great DDT on Hassan at New Years Rev. King should be a commentator and thats it, not a wrestler, he is past it. I have to admit i did like Simon Dean's match on Heat i think it was two weeks ago, he was pretty impressive, the only match he didnt cheat to win in.
indeed i did and he was very good, hopefully he'll be able to display his talent sometime soon and hopefully not against the King which i'm worried about happening after the bit on RAW this week
Did you ever see Simon Dean wrestle as Nova?
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