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A programme shown on channel 4 earlier. Quite unbiased and none-hysterical. The premise - Islamaphobia, myth or reality?
There's no doubt really that there are a great many ignorant and hate filled people in this country who are just looking for anyone to blame for their crappy lives. The scapegoat of choice seems to be anyone with even a passing resemblance to our pal, Osama Bin Laden. That'll be a huge percentage of the Muslim community then.
The line between Islamaphobia and Racism becomes blurred all too often though. Let's face it, these small minded individuals are only really capable of distinguishing one skin colour from another, it becomes far too complicated for them to consider that 'good', 'honest' white folk may in fact be practising Muslims too. They are far less discriminating when it comes to tarring people with their brush of condemnation.
The programme put an interesting point across - it is in a great many peoples interests to fuel the belief that Islamaphobia is rife, when in fact cases of it are far less widespread than they'd lead you to believe. A few extra votes perhaps for Muslim politicians. Vote for Mohammed or you're an ISLAMAPHOBE!! Anyone who speaks out against the Religion is branded an Islamaphobe. Anyone who chooses a Christian over a Muslim is an Islamaphobe.
On the other side of the coin, it is also in many folks interests to fuel the tension between both religious groups by inciting fear and hatred. It seems the majority of our population consists of open-mouthed daily star reading oxygen thieves, who share a common mentality. That being none. There was a much famed case where a mural of a pig was to be constructed in a town square. I forget just why it was to be put there, but that is irrelevant. The architect/artists and town officials got together, and decided to put the idea on hold as they feared the sight of a pig may offend the Muslim community. No research was done into this, was it genuine mature concern, or textbook paranoid political correctness? Unknown, but the resultant reaction would be funny if it wasn't so tragic. Nazi skin-headed tossfaces travelled from nationwide to daub swastikas all over local garden walls. They had assumed that those evil Osamas had stifled their rights as tax-paying 'English' folk.
It seems our nanny state politically correct gone mad society points its finger at anyone who dares to question the validity of the Islamic religion. This hysterical reaction does not occur with any other religion practised in our 'free thinking' society. After 9/11 the collective mind of the west is determined to condemn the actions whilst stress that the Muslim faith does not endorse violence. Of course, those with more than half a brain know this already and are capable of accepting that a handful of lunatics do not represent millions (perhaps billions) of Muslims worldwide. But it's those mouth breathers again. They need someone to hate, and the government has to step in and educate them in the ways of the world before those torches are lit and those pitchforks are fetched from the barn. It doesn't appear to be doing a good job of it.
A law is apparently going to be passed where it will be illegal to slander any religion publically. It appears, ladies and gentlemen, that our society is de-evolving back to the dark ages. People will soon be scared to question anything relating to religion. Anyone who dares to ask the 'wrong' questions will be branded a heretic and burnt at the stake. It's truly pathetic. And we all know that this is just down to a few paranoid, neurotic crackpots, sitting in our government 'think tanks', deciding how we should live our lives.
I hate the Islamic religion, but not half as much as I hate the Christian religion, particularly those who use it as a tool to decide how we should live and die, or as justification for killing thousands. This is the case on both sides though. As for other religions, I'm undecided. I've had enough religion forced down my throat, in school, through the media, and through close minded holier than thou types to sour me on the whole religion family. I have no doubt that there are great things to be learnt from all faiths, but for the sake of these mouth-breathing, paranoid cretins, who see religion as an excuse to hate others, or a way of looking down on others, I just can't abide it.
Obviously to ban all religion would be to deny people the right to choose, and that would be even worse, but there must be some solution to such worldwide insanity/idiocy. My money is on Batman.
There's no doubt really that there are a great many ignorant and hate filled people in this country who are just looking for anyone to blame for their crappy lives. The scapegoat of choice seems to be anyone with even a passing resemblance to our pal, Osama Bin Laden. That'll be a huge percentage of the Muslim community then.
The line between Islamaphobia and Racism becomes blurred all too often though. Let's face it, these small minded individuals are only really capable of distinguishing one skin colour from another, it becomes far too complicated for them to consider that 'good', 'honest' white folk may in fact be practising Muslims too. They are far less discriminating when it comes to tarring people with their brush of condemnation.
The programme put an interesting point across - it is in a great many peoples interests to fuel the belief that Islamaphobia is rife, when in fact cases of it are far less widespread than they'd lead you to believe. A few extra votes perhaps for Muslim politicians. Vote for Mohammed or you're an ISLAMAPHOBE!! Anyone who speaks out against the Religion is branded an Islamaphobe. Anyone who chooses a Christian over a Muslim is an Islamaphobe.
On the other side of the coin, it is also in many folks interests to fuel the tension between both religious groups by inciting fear and hatred. It seems the majority of our population consists of open-mouthed daily star reading oxygen thieves, who share a common mentality. That being none. There was a much famed case where a mural of a pig was to be constructed in a town square. I forget just why it was to be put there, but that is irrelevant. The architect/artists and town officials got together, and decided to put the idea on hold as they feared the sight of a pig may offend the Muslim community. No research was done into this, was it genuine mature concern, or textbook paranoid political correctness? Unknown, but the resultant reaction would be funny if it wasn't so tragic. Nazi skin-headed tossfaces travelled from nationwide to daub swastikas all over local garden walls. They had assumed that those evil Osamas had stifled their rights as tax-paying 'English' folk.
It seems our nanny state politically correct gone mad society points its finger at anyone who dares to question the validity of the Islamic religion. This hysterical reaction does not occur with any other religion practised in our 'free thinking' society. After 9/11 the collective mind of the west is determined to condemn the actions whilst stress that the Muslim faith does not endorse violence. Of course, those with more than half a brain know this already and are capable of accepting that a handful of lunatics do not represent millions (perhaps billions) of Muslims worldwide. But it's those mouth breathers again. They need someone to hate, and the government has to step in and educate them in the ways of the world before those torches are lit and those pitchforks are fetched from the barn. It doesn't appear to be doing a good job of it.
A law is apparently going to be passed where it will be illegal to slander any religion publically. It appears, ladies and gentlemen, that our society is de-evolving back to the dark ages. People will soon be scared to question anything relating to religion. Anyone who dares to ask the 'wrong' questions will be branded a heretic and burnt at the stake. It's truly pathetic. And we all know that this is just down to a few paranoid, neurotic crackpots, sitting in our government 'think tanks', deciding how we should live our lives.
I hate the Islamic religion, but not half as much as I hate the Christian religion, particularly those who use it as a tool to decide how we should live and die, or as justification for killing thousands. This is the case on both sides though. As for other religions, I'm undecided. I've had enough religion forced down my throat, in school, through the media, and through close minded holier than thou types to sour me on the whole religion family. I have no doubt that there are great things to be learnt from all faiths, but for the sake of these mouth-breathing, paranoid cretins, who see religion as an excuse to hate others, or a way of looking down on others, I just can't abide it.
Obviously to ban all religion would be to deny people the right to choose, and that would be even worse, but there must be some solution to such worldwide insanity/idiocy. My money is on Batman.
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I think we're bluring the line between catwoman and batwoman now.
You bunch of racists.
I saw the tv program too. That new law worried me - wasn't it illegalising anything which could be considered an 'incitement to hatred of any belief'?
In which case we'd have a law that bans criticising anything. Nobody would be allowed to disagree with each other.
It's so utterly retarded. Surely we can all (or at least the majority of the sane population) disagree, even vehmently, even to the point of 'offending' each other, and still accept it like adults and live our lives?
Do we really want to live in a world where we can't do anything for fear of offending people?
Sure, you try not to offend people, nobody wants to, but there has to be a limit. A point where you balance it against actually being able to live and do stuff.
Giving the government the power to prosecute you for *anything* you say, any opinion you express, then trusting that they'll always choose to use that power fairly, is beyond that limit. It's retarded. You're putting your head on a chopping block, handing a bunch of civil servants, MPs and police an axe, and trusting that them, or whoever they pass the axe on to, with your life.
I don't particularly want to live in fear that my retarded, deceitful, self-serving government, who already oppress the human rights of citizes under terror legislation, won't continue to bone us all.
You bunch of racists.
I saw the tv program too. That new law worried me - wasn't it illegalising anything which could be considered an 'incitement to hatred of any belief'?
In which case we'd have a law that bans criticising anything. Nobody would be allowed to disagree with each other.
It's so utterly retarded. Surely we can all (or at least the majority of the sane population) disagree, even vehmently, even to the point of 'offending' each other, and still accept it like adults and live our lives?
Do we really want to live in a world where we can't do anything for fear of offending people?
Sure, you try not to offend people, nobody wants to, but there has to be a limit. A point where you balance it against actually being able to live and do stuff.
Giving the government the power to prosecute you for *anything* you say, any opinion you express, then trusting that they'll always choose to use that power fairly, is beyond that limit. It's retarded. You're putting your head on a chopping block, handing a bunch of civil servants, MPs and police an axe, and trusting that them, or whoever they pass the axe on to, with your life.
I don't particularly want to live in fear that my retarded, deceitful, self-serving government, who already oppress the human rights of citizes under terror legislation, won't continue to bone us all.
Kawada wrote:
> crossbob wrote:
> He was friends with catwomen and she was black.
>
> For that god awful movie yes but in the original tv series (which is
> the only thing that counts :-D) she was white but in the back of the
> mind something is telling me there was one time she was played by a
> black actress unless i'm getting her confused with another villain
dude, catwoman was totally white in the movie (both the 1966 movie of the series, and in Batman Returns), she was also played by Ertha iItt in the series though, who was black.
> crossbob wrote:
> He was friends with catwomen and she was black.
>
> For that god awful movie yes but in the original tv series (which is
> the only thing that counts :-D) she was white but in the back of the
> mind something is telling me there was one time she was played by a
> black actress unless i'm getting her confused with another villain
dude, catwoman was totally white in the movie (both the 1966 movie of the series, and in Batman Returns), she was also played by Ertha iItt in the series though, who was black.
Perhaps I worded it wrong. It's not the religion I hate, but the way in which people choose to interpret it.
I see religion as a collection of stories that can teach us some important human values. The collective experience of some wise people throughout several millenia. Well, I say wise, but let's not forget, these people had an incredibly simple understanding of the known universe. That is all it is to me, a collection of stories. And it should be treated in that way.
But people choose to embrace it in a far more sinister fashion. They use it to separate themselves from others, they base their entire existence on it. To me it is no different from a Star Wars nerd who desperately wishes that the story was true, longs deeply to be part of that story, as they cannot face the reality of life. It's a crutch for those who find life too difficult to bear. They want to believe instead that this life is not real, it is just a test, and reality will begin when they die. This to me is a highly dangerous way of thinking.
Taken to extreme, we can see this in our world today. Islamic extremists believe that by giving up their lives, they are ensuring that they will be taken to a far better place in the afterlife. They do not value their own lives, nor that of anyone else, including their friends and families in some cases. During the crusades, thousands of people massacred each other in the name of religion. People have been burnt at the stake for questioning whether there really is a god or not. It can tear families apart and lead to some of the worst atrocities man has ever inflicted upon another man. I am not choosing any particular religion here, the devastating effect is the same regardless.
Forest Fan came on these forums with the attitude 'Believe in Jesus or burn in hell'. A perfect example of how some use it to feel better than others. Maybe they had a tough time in their youth, maybe they were picked on, I don't know. But they then use religion to feel better than those around them. I can't see how this could ever be a good thing.
I realise that this is generally speaking, a minority, but its harmful effects cannot be ignored. We are free to choose what we believe. Perhaps one of the problems is that it is forced onto children at a young age. If people were not exposed to religion until they were a free thinking adult, I believe it would not be nearly as widespread in its acceptance.
It is also notable that religion is practised more in third world countries, where life and death is a daily routine and nothing is ever certain. I'd be interested to hear peoples theories on why that is. In my opinion it is because we in the richer countries do not need it, can see through it and have a much wider knowledge on how the known universe works. It was only several hundred years ago people still believed in witches and warlocks. Our ideas have evolved, it is generally accepted that these were just fantasies. We know much more, we can explain things that previously might have been deemed magic or witchcraft. I don't see how you can openly embrace technology and science, but still refute any explanation that questions the validity of religion.
I see religion as a collection of stories that can teach us some important human values. The collective experience of some wise people throughout several millenia. Well, I say wise, but let's not forget, these people had an incredibly simple understanding of the known universe. That is all it is to me, a collection of stories. And it should be treated in that way.
But people choose to embrace it in a far more sinister fashion. They use it to separate themselves from others, they base their entire existence on it. To me it is no different from a Star Wars nerd who desperately wishes that the story was true, longs deeply to be part of that story, as they cannot face the reality of life. It's a crutch for those who find life too difficult to bear. They want to believe instead that this life is not real, it is just a test, and reality will begin when they die. This to me is a highly dangerous way of thinking.
Taken to extreme, we can see this in our world today. Islamic extremists believe that by giving up their lives, they are ensuring that they will be taken to a far better place in the afterlife. They do not value their own lives, nor that of anyone else, including their friends and families in some cases. During the crusades, thousands of people massacred each other in the name of religion. People have been burnt at the stake for questioning whether there really is a god or not. It can tear families apart and lead to some of the worst atrocities man has ever inflicted upon another man. I am not choosing any particular religion here, the devastating effect is the same regardless.
Forest Fan came on these forums with the attitude 'Believe in Jesus or burn in hell'. A perfect example of how some use it to feel better than others. Maybe they had a tough time in their youth, maybe they were picked on, I don't know. But they then use religion to feel better than those around them. I can't see how this could ever be a good thing.
I realise that this is generally speaking, a minority, but its harmful effects cannot be ignored. We are free to choose what we believe. Perhaps one of the problems is that it is forced onto children at a young age. If people were not exposed to religion until they were a free thinking adult, I believe it would not be nearly as widespread in its acceptance.
It is also notable that religion is practised more in third world countries, where life and death is a daily routine and nothing is ever certain. I'd be interested to hear peoples theories on why that is. In my opinion it is because we in the richer countries do not need it, can see through it and have a much wider knowledge on how the known universe works. It was only several hundred years ago people still believed in witches and warlocks. Our ideas have evolved, it is generally accepted that these were just fantasies. We know much more, we can explain things that previously might have been deemed magic or witchcraft. I don't see how you can openly embrace technology and science, but still refute any explanation that questions the validity of religion.
To say 'I hate religion' is almost as simple minded as calling a Hindu girl a Moslim.
Religion isn't all human organisations in control. That part is worthy of criticism..........but the other side is meaningful and personal, and to say you hate that is simply silly.
I haven't read much about these new laws - are they actually enforcable?! Seems silly to me, but I wonder about the wording - is it actually illegal to joke, or is it, as I suspect, more about making real vehement hatred illegal. I'm not sure...
Religion isn't all human organisations in control. That part is worthy of criticism..........but the other side is meaningful and personal, and to say you hate that is simply silly.
I haven't read much about these new laws - are they actually enforcable?! Seems silly to me, but I wonder about the wording - is it actually illegal to joke, or is it, as I suspect, more about making real vehement hatred illegal. I'm not sure...
crossbob wrote:
> He was friends with catwomen and she was black.
For that god awful movie yes but in the original tv series (which is the only thing that counts :-D) she was white but in the back of the mind something is telling me there was one time she was played by a black actress unless i'm getting her confused with another villain
> He was friends with catwomen and she was black.
For that god awful movie yes but in the original tv series (which is the only thing that counts :-D) she was white but in the back of the mind something is telling me there was one time she was played by a black actress unless i'm getting her confused with another villain
ßora† §agdiyeV wrote:
> ha ha ha.
>
> *makes reeling in actions with hands*
you've translated this to the screen so very well.. you are my idol :)
> ha ha ha.
>
> *makes reeling in actions with hands*
you've translated this to the screen so very well.. you are my idol :)
crossbob wrote:
> He was friends with catwomen and she was black.
they changed her for the movie though.
however, he was friends with the clearly gay Robin, so we know batman is open minded.
> He was friends with catwomen and she was black.
they changed her for the movie though.
however, he was friends with the clearly gay Robin, so we know batman is open minded.
ßora† §agdiyeV wrote:
> I hate the Islamic religion
I'd just like to say hi to all the MI5 agents reading this thread after their computers picked up this choice quote winging its way around the internet.
(great post btw)
> I hate the Islamic religion
I'd just like to say hi to all the MI5 agents reading this thread after their computers picked up this choice quote winging its way around the internet.
(great post btw)
LOL
I'm evil to the very core.
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