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A programme shown on channel 4 earlier. Quite unbiased and none-hysterical. The premise - Islamaphobia, myth or reality?
There's no doubt really that there are a great many ignorant and hate filled people in this country who are just looking for anyone to blame for their crappy lives. The scapegoat of choice seems to be anyone with even a passing resemblance to our pal, Osama Bin Laden. That'll be a huge percentage of the Muslim community then.
The line between Islamaphobia and Racism becomes blurred all too often though. Let's face it, these small minded individuals are only really capable of distinguishing one skin colour from another, it becomes far too complicated for them to consider that 'good', 'honest' white folk may in fact be practising Muslims too. They are far less discriminating when it comes to tarring people with their brush of condemnation.
The programme put an interesting point across - it is in a great many peoples interests to fuel the belief that Islamaphobia is rife, when in fact cases of it are far less widespread than they'd lead you to believe. A few extra votes perhaps for Muslim politicians. Vote for Mohammed or you're an ISLAMAPHOBE!! Anyone who speaks out against the Religion is branded an Islamaphobe. Anyone who chooses a Christian over a Muslim is an Islamaphobe.
On the other side of the coin, it is also in many folks interests to fuel the tension between both religious groups by inciting fear and hatred. It seems the majority of our population consists of open-mouthed daily star reading oxygen thieves, who share a common mentality. That being none. There was a much famed case where a mural of a pig was to be constructed in a town square. I forget just why it was to be put there, but that is irrelevant. The architect/artists and town officials got together, and decided to put the idea on hold as they feared the sight of a pig may offend the Muslim community. No research was done into this, was it genuine mature concern, or textbook paranoid political correctness? Unknown, but the resultant reaction would be funny if it wasn't so tragic. Nazi skin-headed tossfaces travelled from nationwide to daub swastikas all over local garden walls. They had assumed that those evil Osamas had stifled their rights as tax-paying 'English' folk.
It seems our nanny state politically correct gone mad society points its finger at anyone who dares to question the validity of the Islamic religion. This hysterical reaction does not occur with any other religion practised in our 'free thinking' society. After 9/11 the collective mind of the west is determined to condemn the actions whilst stress that the Muslim faith does not endorse violence. Of course, those with more than half a brain know this already and are capable of accepting that a handful of lunatics do not represent millions (perhaps billions) of Muslims worldwide. But it's those mouth breathers again. They need someone to hate, and the government has to step in and educate them in the ways of the world before those torches are lit and those pitchforks are fetched from the barn. It doesn't appear to be doing a good job of it.
A law is apparently going to be passed where it will be illegal to slander any religion publically. It appears, ladies and gentlemen, that our society is de-evolving back to the dark ages. People will soon be scared to question anything relating to religion. Anyone who dares to ask the 'wrong' questions will be branded a heretic and burnt at the stake. It's truly pathetic. And we all know that this is just down to a few paranoid, neurotic crackpots, sitting in our government 'think tanks', deciding how we should live our lives.
I hate the Islamic religion, but not half as much as I hate the Christian religion, particularly those who use it as a tool to decide how we should live and die, or as justification for killing thousands. This is the case on both sides though. As for other religions, I'm undecided. I've had enough religion forced down my throat, in school, through the media, and through close minded holier than thou types to sour me on the whole religion family. I have no doubt that there are great things to be learnt from all faiths, but for the sake of these mouth-breathing, paranoid cretins, who see religion as an excuse to hate others, or a way of looking down on others, I just can't abide it.
Obviously to ban all religion would be to deny people the right to choose, and that would be even worse, but there must be some solution to such worldwide insanity/idiocy. My money is on Batman.
There's no doubt really that there are a great many ignorant and hate filled people in this country who are just looking for anyone to blame for their crappy lives. The scapegoat of choice seems to be anyone with even a passing resemblance to our pal, Osama Bin Laden. That'll be a huge percentage of the Muslim community then.
The line between Islamaphobia and Racism becomes blurred all too often though. Let's face it, these small minded individuals are only really capable of distinguishing one skin colour from another, it becomes far too complicated for them to consider that 'good', 'honest' white folk may in fact be practising Muslims too. They are far less discriminating when it comes to tarring people with their brush of condemnation.
The programme put an interesting point across - it is in a great many peoples interests to fuel the belief that Islamaphobia is rife, when in fact cases of it are far less widespread than they'd lead you to believe. A few extra votes perhaps for Muslim politicians. Vote for Mohammed or you're an ISLAMAPHOBE!! Anyone who speaks out against the Religion is branded an Islamaphobe. Anyone who chooses a Christian over a Muslim is an Islamaphobe.
On the other side of the coin, it is also in many folks interests to fuel the tension between both religious groups by inciting fear and hatred. It seems the majority of our population consists of open-mouthed daily star reading oxygen thieves, who share a common mentality. That being none. There was a much famed case where a mural of a pig was to be constructed in a town square. I forget just why it was to be put there, but that is irrelevant. The architect/artists and town officials got together, and decided to put the idea on hold as they feared the sight of a pig may offend the Muslim community. No research was done into this, was it genuine mature concern, or textbook paranoid political correctness? Unknown, but the resultant reaction would be funny if it wasn't so tragic. Nazi skin-headed tossfaces travelled from nationwide to daub swastikas all over local garden walls. They had assumed that those evil Osamas had stifled their rights as tax-paying 'English' folk.
It seems our nanny state politically correct gone mad society points its finger at anyone who dares to question the validity of the Islamic religion. This hysterical reaction does not occur with any other religion practised in our 'free thinking' society. After 9/11 the collective mind of the west is determined to condemn the actions whilst stress that the Muslim faith does not endorse violence. Of course, those with more than half a brain know this already and are capable of accepting that a handful of lunatics do not represent millions (perhaps billions) of Muslims worldwide. But it's those mouth breathers again. They need someone to hate, and the government has to step in and educate them in the ways of the world before those torches are lit and those pitchforks are fetched from the barn. It doesn't appear to be doing a good job of it.
A law is apparently going to be passed where it will be illegal to slander any religion publically. It appears, ladies and gentlemen, that our society is de-evolving back to the dark ages. People will soon be scared to question anything relating to religion. Anyone who dares to ask the 'wrong' questions will be branded a heretic and burnt at the stake. It's truly pathetic. And we all know that this is just down to a few paranoid, neurotic crackpots, sitting in our government 'think tanks', deciding how we should live our lives.
I hate the Islamic religion, but not half as much as I hate the Christian religion, particularly those who use it as a tool to decide how we should live and die, or as justification for killing thousands. This is the case on both sides though. As for other religions, I'm undecided. I've had enough religion forced down my throat, in school, through the media, and through close minded holier than thou types to sour me on the whole religion family. I have no doubt that there are great things to be learnt from all faiths, but for the sake of these mouth-breathing, paranoid cretins, who see religion as an excuse to hate others, or a way of looking down on others, I just can't abide it.
Obviously to ban all religion would be to deny people the right to choose, and that would be even worse, but there must be some solution to such worldwide insanity/idiocy. My money is on Batman.
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WòókieeMøn§†€® wrote:
> ßora† §agdiyeV wrote:
> Obviously to ban all religion would be to deny people the right to
> choose, and that would be even worse
>
> Would it?
Yup. If someone chooses a religion, then they make a choice to take it's tenets and live by them (and yes, I'm aware that many don't choose their religion, they're indoctrinated. But we're talking about choice here so...).
>
> Doesn't religion do that anyway?
>
Some religions do, yes. But not all. And even for the ones that do, if people have made the choice to belong to that religion who on earth are you to say that they can't? There are many religions, so people have a lot of choice.
(NB. Forest Fan; i'm talking about religions that actually exist and have memberships of more than 1)
> Religions are just fanatical cults that have been widely accepted.
Again, not all of them. If you view all religions as being fanatical then you're getting half the story. Though I do agree that almost all of them started out as fanatical cults.
> ßora† §agdiyeV wrote:
> Obviously to ban all religion would be to deny people the right to
> choose, and that would be even worse
>
> Would it?
Yup. If someone chooses a religion, then they make a choice to take it's tenets and live by them (and yes, I'm aware that many don't choose their religion, they're indoctrinated. But we're talking about choice here so...).
>
> Doesn't religion do that anyway?
>
Some religions do, yes. But not all. And even for the ones that do, if people have made the choice to belong to that religion who on earth are you to say that they can't? There are many religions, so people have a lot of choice.
(NB. Forest Fan; i'm talking about religions that actually exist and have memberships of more than 1)
> Religions are just fanatical cults that have been widely accepted.
Again, not all of them. If you view all religions as being fanatical then you're getting half the story. Though I do agree that almost all of them started out as fanatical cults.
ßora† §agdiyeV wrote:
> Obviously to ban all religion would be to deny people the right to
> choose, and that would be even worse
Would it?
Doesn't religion do that anyway?
Religions are just fanatical cults that have been widely accepted.
> Obviously to ban all religion would be to deny people the right to
> choose, and that would be even worse
Would it?
Doesn't religion do that anyway?
Religions are just fanatical cults that have been widely accepted.
EDITED : That's the most bollo>< I've ever put in one post.
Very_Metal wrote:
> dude, catwoman was totally white in the movie (both the 1966 movie of
> the series, and in Batman Returns), she was also played by Ertha iItt
> in the series though, who was black.
I thought she was played by a black woman in the series something in the back of my mind was telling me. And i was referring to Halle Berry in that godawful Catwoman movie i know in previous films she was played by a white actress.
*notices he's totally off topic*.................Ermmm so them muslims eh?
> dude, catwoman was totally white in the movie (both the 1966 movie of
> the series, and in Batman Returns), she was also played by Ertha iItt
> in the series though, who was black.
I thought she was played by a black woman in the series something in the back of my mind was telling me. And i was referring to Halle Berry in that godawful Catwoman movie i know in previous films she was played by a white actress.
*notices he's totally off topic*.................Ermmm so them muslims eh?
I helped a Muslim family move some bricks once, and they gave me a bowl of strawberries. So I'm pro-Muslim, but they laughed when I ate the big one (strawberry, not elder Son) first, which made me suspicious.
If anything, organized religion (esp. Christianity and Islam) should be the prime target of sustained and relentless criticism - what with its fixed beliefs proclaimed as eternal truth; its invisible and untouchable cloudman leader (the original terror chief); its divisive and fundamentally intolerant precepts (there is a right way [their way] and a wrong way [not their way])...
Religion should be pursued to the ends of the earth and then unceremoniously pushed off. If people want to believe in God, then they should do it in the privacy of their own minds. Spirituality that hardens into dogma is a sham and nothing but a tool of misuse usually leading to oppression.
For me, not Islamaphobia, more Religiophobia, or Monotheismophobia... :) Strong belief in a personal God just solves people's long term identity crisis, makes them feel they have a purpose in the big scheme of things, puts a spring in their step so they can relax safe in the knowledge that 'Now I know', creates certainty where there is none. It's weakness of spirit.
Religion should be pursued to the ends of the earth and then unceremoniously pushed off. If people want to believe in God, then they should do it in the privacy of their own minds. Spirituality that hardens into dogma is a sham and nothing but a tool of misuse usually leading to oppression.
For me, not Islamaphobia, more Religiophobia, or Monotheismophobia... :) Strong belief in a personal God just solves people's long term identity crisis, makes them feel they have a purpose in the big scheme of things, puts a spring in their step so they can relax safe in the knowledge that 'Now I know', creates certainty where there is none. It's weakness of spirit.
No, he's my lover
Actually, he told me about the EU funding available for masters students at his old uni (near which he still lives). I promptly moved into the flat below his and went upstairs to use his computer. And here I am.
Actually, he told me about the EU funding available for masters students at his old uni (near which he still lives). I promptly moved into the flat below his and went upstairs to use his computer. And here I am.
Mumbai Duck wrote:
> That was me, by the way.
> Using Cooky's computer, and forgot to sign him out first.
I'm intrigued, are you guys related or something?
> That was me, by the way.
> Using Cooky's computer, and forgot to sign him out first.
I'm intrigued, are you guys related or something?
People get offended too damn easy these days. The book passing nature, coupled with the greed and paranoia that is becoming more prevalent in society, has created an unofficial rule (soon it seems to become official) that if anyone is physically damaged or offended, then someone is to blame. Accidents don't seem to exist anymore, there is always someone to blame for everything.
This includes offensive statements towards peoples beliefs. You can be sued just for making slanderous statements. Rather than question the sanity of such a system, the government is embracing it and even passing laws to make such actions illegal.
Freedom of speech is becoming more and more limited. Political Correctness is getting us nowhere. In small doses I can see that it could be beneficial - it is intended to create an equilibrium between race, gender, ages, ability and belief systems. But it has gotten out of control. People are scared of speaking out against anything for fear of being branded prejudiced. As you say, it's retarded.
This includes offensive statements towards peoples beliefs. You can be sued just for making slanderous statements. Rather than question the sanity of such a system, the government is embracing it and even passing laws to make such actions illegal.
Freedom of speech is becoming more and more limited. Political Correctness is getting us nowhere. In small doses I can see that it could be beneficial - it is intended to create an equilibrium between race, gender, ages, ability and belief systems. But it has gotten out of control. People are scared of speaking out against anything for fear of being branded prejudiced. As you say, it's retarded.
That was me, by the way.
Using Cooky's computer, and forgot to sign him out first.
Using Cooky's computer, and forgot to sign him out first.
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