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Thu 28/10/04 at 11:07
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"Pouch Ape"
Posts: 14,499
I'm going to have to use frames on my next job. The company it's for approved (and paid a stupid amount of money for, not to me) some artwork, and the only way it can be done exactly as they want it is with frames. Should be OK, as long as no-one uses Netscape...
Sat 30/10/04 at 14:37
Regular
"Devil in disguise"
Posts: 3,151
Tyla wrote:
> Slightly missed the point of using CSS + xHTML instead of frames...
>
> Loading...
>
> With Frames/Html using tables, a page cannot render until the final
> > seperate files on the same bandwidth slows things down and delays the
> delivery of the content.
>
> CSS allows you to deliver content almost immediately as the html is
> using basic symantic mark up with no structure other than
>

, list formatting will load almost instantaenously
> giving the user imediate access. Slightly behind that, the CSS loads
> and caches to the browser applying the rendering as it
> "cascades"
>
> I think I said the overall file size for that total page was
> 1403bytes, you could reduce that buy at least 40% using very basic
> CSS and structured mark up at the same time reducing it to 1 Page of
> code.
>
> Going a step further, the initail page could simply consist of 3 DIVS
> and 3 includes having the server do most of the processing power
> before even getting to you.
>
>

Obviously explained myself very poorly here. I understand that you can replicate the layout of both the java API and MSDN using divs quite easily. The one functionality that you cant seem to replicate though that both frames and iframes provide is the ability to refresh only parts of the page. If you made the java api frameless, each page download would be in the region of 500k, that reduces the usability to around zero.
I can accept frames look ugly and shouldn't be used from an aesthetic viewpoint. But I do find it quite frustrating thats theres this push to obselete them without there being some alternative (at least none that I'm aware of hence me asking).

Fri 29/10/04 at 16:31
Regular
Posts: 10,364
Rule 1.

Don't use WordArt for your logo.

Rule 2.

Don't use novelty animated GIFs and poor use of tables.
Fri 29/10/04 at 16:20
Regular
"Bicycle"
Posts: 4,899
Do what everyone else is doing.

Re / Learn CSS and XHTML.

Ugh... Reading documentation sucks.
Fri 29/10/04 at 13:55
Regular
Posts: 5
Mistake, BIG, BIG, Mistake.
Sorry guys I know what I know and thats all. you lot have just given me my first NEGATIVE feedback.
I'm not a PC or WEB expert like, it would seem, you guys are.
I will go away and try to look at the new! ways of coding web sites.
don't hold your breath.
Fri 29/10/04 at 13:43
Regular
"l33t cs50r"
Posts: 2,956
Coin wrote:
> Anyhoo, apart from the changes Tyla mention earlier (lowercase
> elements etc.) what difference is there from XHTML to HTML?
>
> And in that same vien, difference between Transitional markup and
> Strict?

Firstly, read the documentation at w3c.

Trans vs Strict is based on 2 different DTD's. The Trans one allows for coding mistakes, some HTML 4 elements and sloppy

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