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Now, if I remember correctly, one of the big arguments against the PS2 was that all the games being released for it were, "same old sequels" or "rehashes of PSX games."
Well, today I got Shadow Of Memories. I now have 6 PS2 games. I looked at them, and then thought, "How many are sequels??"
So, I have:
F1 World Championship Season 2000- This isn't really a sequel. I'm an F1 game, so I decided to get the first PS2 F1 game. Every console has an F1 game. Most do anyway.
Smuggler's Run: NOT a sequel.
Tekken Tag Tournament: Okay, this is a sequel, but it's on a different console, and has nice new name. Better than 'Tekken 4' anyway.
Star Wars Starfighter: NOT a sequel.
Shadow Of Memories: NOT a sequel.
Zone Of The Enders: NOT a sequel, and it is also my second favourite game ever.
Now, I believe people such as Wookiee, ssxpro and M16 will back me up on this with the games they have. I mean, that's not exactly 'lots' of sequels, is it??
Thanks for reading, Ant.
Well, today I got Shadow Of Memories. I now have 6 PS2 games. I looked at them, and then thought, "How many are sequels??"
So, I have:
F1 World Championship Season 2000- This isn't really a sequel. I'm an F1 game, so I decided to get the first PS2 F1 game. Every console has an F1 game. Most do anyway.
Smuggler's Run: NOT a sequel.
Tekken Tag Tournament: Okay, this is a sequel, but it's on a different console, and has nice new name. Better than 'Tekken 4' anyway.
Star Wars Starfighter: NOT a sequel.
Shadow Of Memories: NOT a sequel.
Zone Of The Enders: NOT a sequel, and it is also my second favourite game ever.
Now, I believe people such as Wookiee, ssxpro and M16 will back me up on this with the games they have. I mean, that's not exactly 'lots' of sequels, is it??
Thanks for reading, Ant.
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What I meant in the way that the PS2 as a sequel was instead of being an entirely new concept, it was just more of something popular. It was DESIGNED like a sequel.
It even uses the same pads/accessories as the PS1 and plays all the old games too. It's got one or 2 nice features but it's basically a PS1 with an upgraded chipset, modem and DVD player.
The Gamecube has been started from scratch.
Completely new chipset, new pads, new accesories and much more new ideas. It's been designed for a newer market with a unique type of disk, instead of the older cartriges.
It's got a brand new name, it's going for a brand new look.
The only way it's similar to the N64 is that Nintendo has made it.
Sony on the otherhand has simply made a better Playstation.
That's not a bad thing neccesarily but it's a sequel. A sequel to a console that was filled with sequels and while a lot of the good PS2 games are original, there's a thousand sequels among them.
The Gamecube on the other hand has one or 2 sequels (quality MGS2 style sequels instead of the average PS sequel) and lots of original games too.
And because the PSOne was so popular, people have already played the PS2's prequels too death while the Gamecubes prequels on the N64 aren't that well known to the average gamer so they seem more original.
I've gone a bit haven't it... :-)
It even uses the same pads/accessories as the PS1 and plays all the old games too. It's got one or 2 nice features but it's basically a PS1 with an upgraded chipset, modem and DVD player.
The Gamecube has been started from scratch.
Completely new chipset, new pads, new accesories and much more new ideas. It's been designed for a newer market with a unique type of disk, instead of the older cartriges.
It's got a brand new name, it's going for a brand new look.
The only way it's similar to the N64 is that Nintendo has made it.
Sony on the otherhand has simply made a better Playstation.
That's not a bad thing neccesarily but it's a sequel. A sequel to a console that was filled with sequels and while a lot of the good PS2 games are original, there's a thousand sequels among them.
The Gamecube on the other hand has one or 2 sequels (quality MGS2 style sequels instead of the average PS sequel) and lots of original games too.
And because the PSOne was so popular, people have already played the PS2's prequels too death while the Gamecubes prequels on the N64 aren't that well known to the average gamer so they seem more original.
I've gone a bit haven't it... :-)
All consoles by companies are sequels to the one before them. And I think every one of them are guilty of milking the titles of the console before them. Nintendo milk titles such as Mario, Zelda, F-Zero, Pokemon, etc.
Sega Milk Sonic, Ecco, Virtua Fighter, etc.
Sony have their titles too which have been mentioned below. At the end of day, if a title is successful (or even complete poo in the case of Army Men), companies will always push more and more of it onto the shelves because it makes money. Some take time to make real changes whereas others will throw in a new fireball and con the hell out of us the gamers.
No console is innocent of such a thing and will this continue ? Of course it will.
Sega Milk Sonic, Ecco, Virtua Fighter, etc.
Sony have their titles too which have been mentioned below. At the end of day, if a title is successful (or even complete poo in the case of Army Men), companies will always push more and more of it onto the shelves because it makes money. Some take time to make real changes whereas others will throw in a new fireball and con the hell out of us the gamers.
No console is innocent of such a thing and will this continue ? Of course it will.
Darkness_2K wrote:
> OK, games can be sequels and are, constantly. But other things, like
> consoles can't be called sequels! You dont say 'Oh that ferrari is
> just a sequel of the model T' do you?
Some people could see the PS2 as a seqel to PSone or something!!
I don't know!!
> OK, games can be sequels and are, constantly. But other things, like
> consoles can't be called sequels! You dont say 'Oh that ferrari is
> just a sequel of the model T' do you?
Some people could see the PS2 as a seqel to PSone or something!!
I don't know!!
Precisely. Obviously Darkness and Dan are different people then.
OK, games can be sequels and are, constantly. But other things, like consoles can't be called sequels! You dont say 'Oh that ferrari is just a sequel of the model T' do you?
savatt1668 wrote:
Wipeout Fusion seems to have disappeared off the face of the
> earth all of a sudden. Like some release date abyss.
I think PSM2 had it down for September.
As for the comment by Dan_uk.
Sequels. The first can be good, often very successful. The second iis often the best. For example Empire Strikes Back, Tomb Raider 2, WipeOut 2097.... however, after the second, things start to go bad. For example, with Nintendo, the N64 was a failure, being as it was sequel to a sequel to a... so how bad will the Gamecube be?
To use that argument, you`d put X-box and PS2 at the top with the Gamecube trailing. Funny, I think it may just turn out that way anyway.
Wipeout Fusion seems to have disappeared off the face of the
> earth all of a sudden. Like some release date abyss.
I think PSM2 had it down for September.
As for the comment by Dan_uk.
Sequels. The first can be good, often very successful. The second iis often the best. For example Empire Strikes Back, Tomb Raider 2, WipeOut 2097.... however, after the second, things start to go bad. For example, with Nintendo, the N64 was a failure, being as it was sequel to a sequel to a... so how bad will the Gamecube be?
To use that argument, you`d put X-box and PS2 at the top with the Gamecube trailing. Funny, I think it may just turn out that way anyway.
Dan_uk wrote:
> There's one thing you all forgot to mention. The PS2 itself is one
> big sequel!
It even follows the trend of sequels.
It's been over
> hyped to death based on how good the original was, Sony has rushed
> it to get it out on the shelves, the were shortages but the most
> important way it follows the sequel suit:
It may have new
> features (DVD) better graphics and a nice new box but there's no way
> it'll make the same impact as it's prequel did.
Yes, I know that
> I am incredibly biased against the PS2 but this is still a good and
> accurate point.
And with the PSOne being filled with sequels and
> the PS2 actually BEING a sequel, now you know where that stereotype
> has come from.
Surely the GameCube is a sequel as well??
Yes, it has a new name and new controller, but surely it's just an update of the N64, with new technology.
Just like the PS2 is an update of the PSOne, with new technology.
Also, I like the fact that the controllers are the same! It means I don't have to buy more than one, because I already have 3 PSX Controllers!!
Also, I agree with Wookiee and ssxpro. There's nothing wrong with sequels, as long as they don't bring 5 out on one console (Tomb Raider)
> There's one thing you all forgot to mention. The PS2 itself is one
> big sequel!
It even follows the trend of sequels.
It's been over
> hyped to death based on how good the original was, Sony has rushed
> it to get it out on the shelves, the were shortages but the most
> important way it follows the sequel suit:
It may have new
> features (DVD) better graphics and a nice new box but there's no way
> it'll make the same impact as it's prequel did.
Yes, I know that
> I am incredibly biased against the PS2 but this is still a good and
> accurate point.
And with the PSOne being filled with sequels and
> the PS2 actually BEING a sequel, now you know where that stereotype
> has come from.
Surely the GameCube is a sequel as well??
Yes, it has a new name and new controller, but surely it's just an update of the N64, with new technology.
Just like the PS2 is an update of the PSOne, with new technology.
Also, I like the fact that the controllers are the same! It means I don't have to buy more than one, because I already have 3 PSX Controllers!!
Also, I agree with Wookiee and ssxpro. There's nothing wrong with sequels, as long as they don't bring 5 out on one console (Tomb Raider)
Ant wrote:
I'm an F1 game, so I decided to get the first PS2 F1 game.
I thought you were an Ant, or a human, never thought you would turn out to be an F1 game!
I'm an F1 game, so I decided to get the first PS2 F1 game.
I thought you were an Ant, or a human, never thought you would turn out to be an F1 game!
There's one thing you all forgot to mention. The PS2 itself is one big sequel!
It even follows the trend of sequels.
It's been over hyped to death based on how good the original was, Sony has rushed it to get it out on the shelves, the were shortages but the most important way it follows the sequel suit:
It may have new features (DVD) better graphics and a nice new box but there's no way it'll make the same impact as it's prequel did.
Yes, I know that I am incredibly biased against the PS2 but this is still a good and accurate point.
And with the PSOne being filled with sequels and the PS2 actually BEING a sequel, now you know where that stereotype has come from.
It even follows the trend of sequels.
It's been over hyped to death based on how good the original was, Sony has rushed it to get it out on the shelves, the were shortages but the most important way it follows the sequel suit:
It may have new features (DVD) better graphics and a nice new box but there's no way it'll make the same impact as it's prequel did.
Yes, I know that I am incredibly biased against the PS2 but this is still a good and accurate point.
And with the PSOne being filled with sequels and the PS2 actually BEING a sequel, now you know where that stereotype has come from.
As long as the sequels are different and have new ideas i dont mind them.
Tony Hawks 2 has to be the best sequl ever.
But Dead or Alive 2 also rocks
As does MDK2
And Quake 3
So is Sega Rally 2
And V-Rally 2
Like wise Powerstone 2.
I think thats all the sequels i have, but i bet i have more.
Tony Hawks 2 has to be the best sequl ever.
But Dead or Alive 2 also rocks
As does MDK2
And Quake 3
So is Sega Rally 2
And V-Rally 2
Like wise Powerstone 2.
I think thats all the sequels i have, but i bet i have more.
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