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Wed 15/09/04 at 20:17
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Well it seems a bunch of toffs who do very little to contribute to society other than allow their dogs to crap on the pavement because they're too rich to have to pick it up and dispose of it have decided that they are the only people in Britain who count and that a democracy involves attacking the government they voted in. Ironic really.
So what's this all about then? Well it seems that the final reading of the bill to ban fox hunting has been read today. A unanimous vote (as far as I am aware) by the MPs of the House of Commons has passed it and all is left is for the snobs in the House of Lords to say yay or nay. Unfortunately, they have said 'nay' the past couple of times, and so the House of Commons have threatened to use one of those ancient laws, such as being allowed to kill a man in Yorkshire on a Sunday with a bow and arrow (I wouldn't test that law if I were you...if I have quoted it right) , which allows them to overturn the ruling by the House of Lords which in this case would result in a complete ban on fox hunting.

This news has caused a huge minority of people large enough to be beaten off by those paid to protect democracy in their flourescant uniforms brandishing truncheons. Right this minute (at time of writing), plenty of homes throughout the UK are left unprotected as a large mob of toffs have stormed London hoping to change the situation by means of violence and terrorism. This I'll get back to.

So what is fox hunting?

Fox hunting is what some of these toffs consider a 'sport', or a means of recreation. Others consider it a 'livelyhood', as a means of pest control. It involves a bunch of rediculously dressed snobs on the back of horses blowing a horn that is hardly going to unite the people of Gondor, which commands a huge pack of dogs to chase after a defenseless animal in order to rip it to shreds. This method was used a long long time ago and is still used today. These snobby toffs still believe that this is the most humane way to control the population of foxes in the countryside. They also claim that they shoot the animals so they don't actually suffer. Is that before or after they've chased them across various distances and allowed a pack of dogs to sink their teeth into them?

That isn't the entire story though. Fox Hunting, should it be allowed to continue, should only take place on the land owned by the person who hires the hunters. However, once a fox has been spotted, the toffs don't care who's land they violate, who gets in their way, as long as they get their trophy. A dead piece of fur. Over the years there have been articles on kids being frightened incredibly by toffs trampling their horses across gardens, articles on pets being killed by the dogs, and so on. It only takes a search on the various news websites to find stories like this.

So what do the toffs say about it?

One toff on the news expressed his views along the lines of this pathetic cry for sympathy, "If fox hunting is banned, I will lose my home. I will lose my livelihood. The hounds will have to go. I'm not trained for anything else, so I will have to train to work."

Oh my! Welcome to the life the rest of us lead. We have to work for a living. We don't get to play a barbaric sport for a living. We have to take part in training and earn a real wage, as opposed to riding horses and playing fetch with a fox instead of a stick. It's not that they're afraid they'll lose their jobs. It's that they're afraid to get jobs!

So how do these toffs plan to make things go their way? They turn a peaceful protest into a mob attack. Storm the houses of parliament and think a bit of shouting is going to change the minds of those listening to the majority view of the people. I wont deny that the majority view isn't always right, but I feel that in this situation, in this democracy, the same argument that the protesters were using, again ironic, that fox hunting should be banned if only to give these toffs a reality check.

On the news today, I saw a woman with a big cut around her eye shouting, "I wasn't even protesting! A policeman did this (points to eye)! And I'm a firm believer in the law! So tell me this: What was a non-protester doing in the middle of a huge crowd of protesters outside the Houses of Parliament? Somehow I doubt she was having a picnic. And the rest of them suprised that the police hit them with their truncheons. What did they expect the police to do? Hand them boxing gloves to batter the MPs they voted in?

Overall, this shows the utter rediculous nature of the inbred toffs. They're too afraid to work, and instead of having to find some other way to play, they're forced to find jobs that aren't quite a horse-ride in the park. The majority of people in the UK want an end to this barbaric sport and all agree there are plenty of other more humane ways of handling the overwhelming fox crisis. I mean, it's getting so bad that you can't even walk the streets now incase a fox runs away from you like a scared puppy! Disgusting!

Thu 16/09/04 at 18:19
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The thing I hate about this country/planet/whatever is most people seem to follow the philosophy of

"If you have a problem, don't think about it, just get rid of it"

Fox's being the "supposed" problem here, I mean come on, they might be a bit of a pest to a farmer and what have you, but is it really nessacery to kill it? I'm sure there are better ways to deter the Fox's, instead of these "hunts".
Thu 16/09/04 at 18:04
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Thu 16/09/04 at 17:58
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I think that illegal Fox Hunting could EASILY be enforced. All you need to do is encourage farmers to build barbed wire fences, and if they see hunting dogs on their land encourage them to shoot them or stab them with a pitchfork. I just got a great image of a farmer chasing hunters in a combine harvester. "AY UP THERE TOFF BASTURDS!" Farmers have the right to protect their property.
Thu 16/09/04 at 17:51
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It most certainly WAS fun watching people getting hit by police. "aah...I love the smell of toff blood in the morning...smells like victory!" sorry. Im kidding, all you nice toff who want to give me money!
Thu 16/09/04 at 17:38
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Where I live, the horses don't cause that much damage when they run about but even so a team of guys comes around later on patching up and fixing hedges and fences. Also, if the hunt goes on your land you get to go the the Point To Point (horse races) for free, which is held annually. And trust me, when you actually go to a proper horse race its pretty good, a far cry from the monotonous crap you see on TV.
Thu 16/09/04 at 17:27
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For fun, it's shameful, but it is often required so as to keep the number of foxes down. They're a more serious problem than you may think - look at it from the perspective of honest people who are hassled by them in their work (e.g. farming).
Thu 16/09/04 at 15:09
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Although I'm against the hunting of foxes, I think there's always two sides to a story.

Fox hunting is not a method of population control, it is purely a pass-time. I watched an documentary on the wildlife of Australia the other night and in that it explained that the reason foxes numbers are out of control, is because it is a species that is not native to the continent, and was introduced purely so that 'Gentlemen' could hunt them. If you want to keep the population down, you climb on a land rover with a rifle and a box full of shells and spend your evenings picking them off.

As a pass-time, though barbaric, a phrase we in the 'civilised' world are keen to throw around so readily, having distanced ourselves from the struggle for survival - it does bring in a lot of revenue for country folk, although clearly this does not count everyone. Often the lower classes do all the dirty work and get paid a pittance, while Lord Toff gets rich off wealthy city slickers enthusiasm for blood lust.

It's a dated concept by todays standards though - causing such damage to the countryside and risking innocent peoples lives (or taking them in the case of the poor lad recently), is just not a realistic and responsible way to act in the name of 'sport'. It's too easy for people to shout 'BARBARIC!' at such a concept, when it is as alien to them as building a camp fire to keep warm, but the fact is we do live in a 'civilised' country and it's about time we started acting like one.

It was also fun watching them knuckledraggers get whomped good.

Bloodlust anyone?
Thu 16/09/04 at 14:42
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Thu 16/09/04 at 14:17
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Mary Poppins was against it and she cant be wrong in my book.

I've got nothing against foxes being killed to protect chickens on farm land or whatever. Its just the cruel was they do it during the hunt that I dont like so im glad its illegal now.

As for them loosing their lively hood, they usually go on about it being a sport, so they need to make up their mind. What is it, a sport or their job?
Thu 16/09/04 at 11:24
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I'm not sure how such a ban will be enforced. Will it be legal to ride around in jodpers and red blazers, with your "pet" dogs running around the countryside, "not hunting", or will it become illegal the very second one dog starts to chase a fox?

I'm sure that EB knows more about policing than me, and I'd like to hear his views on this. Given that fox hunting is carried out in a rural setting, the "local" police could well have more of a rapport with the community, which would become strained very quickly when the start arresting people for things like "colluding to hunt" or whatever the crime would be.

I take it that breeding the hunting dogs themselves, would become illegal (or unprofitable) and again how do you enforce such a profession/activity?

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