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Well it seems a bunch of toffs who do very little to contribute to society other than allow their dogs to crap on the pavement because they're too rich to have to pick it up and dispose of it have decided that they are the only people in Britain who count and that a democracy involves attacking the government they voted in. Ironic really.
So what's this all about then? Well it seems that the final reading of the bill to ban fox hunting has been read today. A unanimous vote (as far as I am aware) by the MPs of the House of Commons has passed it and all is left is for the snobs in the House of Lords to say yay or nay. Unfortunately, they have said 'nay' the past couple of times, and so the House of Commons have threatened to use one of those ancient laws, such as being allowed to kill a man in Yorkshire on a Sunday with a bow and arrow (I wouldn't test that law if I were you...if I have quoted it right) , which allows them to overturn the ruling by the House of Lords which in this case would result in a complete ban on fox hunting.
This news has caused a huge minority of people large enough to be beaten off by those paid to protect democracy in their flourescant uniforms brandishing truncheons. Right this minute (at time of writing), plenty of homes throughout the UK are left unprotected as a large mob of toffs have stormed London hoping to change the situation by means of violence and terrorism. This I'll get back to.
So what is fox hunting?
Fox hunting is what some of these toffs consider a 'sport', or a means of recreation. Others consider it a 'livelyhood', as a means of pest control. It involves a bunch of rediculously dressed snobs on the back of horses blowing a horn that is hardly going to unite the people of Gondor, which commands a huge pack of dogs to chase after a defenseless animal in order to rip it to shreds. This method was used a long long time ago and is still used today. These snobby toffs still believe that this is the most humane way to control the population of foxes in the countryside. They also claim that they shoot the animals so they don't actually suffer. Is that before or after they've chased them across various distances and allowed a pack of dogs to sink their teeth into them?
That isn't the entire story though. Fox Hunting, should it be allowed to continue, should only take place on the land owned by the person who hires the hunters. However, once a fox has been spotted, the toffs don't care who's land they violate, who gets in their way, as long as they get their trophy. A dead piece of fur. Over the years there have been articles on kids being frightened incredibly by toffs trampling their horses across gardens, articles on pets being killed by the dogs, and so on. It only takes a search on the various news websites to find stories like this.
So what do the toffs say about it?
One toff on the news expressed his views along the lines of this pathetic cry for sympathy, "If fox hunting is banned, I will lose my home. I will lose my livelihood. The hounds will have to go. I'm not trained for anything else, so I will have to train to work."
Oh my! Welcome to the life the rest of us lead. We have to work for a living. We don't get to play a barbaric sport for a living. We have to take part in training and earn a real wage, as opposed to riding horses and playing fetch with a fox instead of a stick. It's not that they're afraid they'll lose their jobs. It's that they're afraid to get jobs!
So how do these toffs plan to make things go their way? They turn a peaceful protest into a mob attack. Storm the houses of parliament and think a bit of shouting is going to change the minds of those listening to the majority view of the people. I wont deny that the majority view isn't always right, but I feel that in this situation, in this democracy, the same argument that the protesters were using, again ironic, that fox hunting should be banned if only to give these toffs a reality check.
On the news today, I saw a woman with a big cut around her eye shouting, "I wasn't even protesting! A policeman did this (points to eye)! And I'm a firm believer in the law! So tell me this: What was a non-protester doing in the middle of a huge crowd of protesters outside the Houses of Parliament? Somehow I doubt she was having a picnic. And the rest of them suprised that the police hit them with their truncheons. What did they expect the police to do? Hand them boxing gloves to batter the MPs they voted in?
Overall, this shows the utter rediculous nature of the inbred toffs. They're too afraid to work, and instead of having to find some other way to play, they're forced to find jobs that aren't quite a horse-ride in the park. The majority of people in the UK want an end to this barbaric sport and all agree there are plenty of other more humane ways of handling the overwhelming fox crisis. I mean, it's getting so bad that you can't even walk the streets now incase a fox runs away from you like a scared puppy! Disgusting!
So what's this all about then? Well it seems that the final reading of the bill to ban fox hunting has been read today. A unanimous vote (as far as I am aware) by the MPs of the House of Commons has passed it and all is left is for the snobs in the House of Lords to say yay or nay. Unfortunately, they have said 'nay' the past couple of times, and so the House of Commons have threatened to use one of those ancient laws, such as being allowed to kill a man in Yorkshire on a Sunday with a bow and arrow (I wouldn't test that law if I were you...if I have quoted it right) , which allows them to overturn the ruling by the House of Lords which in this case would result in a complete ban on fox hunting.
This news has caused a huge minority of people large enough to be beaten off by those paid to protect democracy in their flourescant uniforms brandishing truncheons. Right this minute (at time of writing), plenty of homes throughout the UK are left unprotected as a large mob of toffs have stormed London hoping to change the situation by means of violence and terrorism. This I'll get back to.
So what is fox hunting?
Fox hunting is what some of these toffs consider a 'sport', or a means of recreation. Others consider it a 'livelyhood', as a means of pest control. It involves a bunch of rediculously dressed snobs on the back of horses blowing a horn that is hardly going to unite the people of Gondor, which commands a huge pack of dogs to chase after a defenseless animal in order to rip it to shreds. This method was used a long long time ago and is still used today. These snobby toffs still believe that this is the most humane way to control the population of foxes in the countryside. They also claim that they shoot the animals so they don't actually suffer. Is that before or after they've chased them across various distances and allowed a pack of dogs to sink their teeth into them?
That isn't the entire story though. Fox Hunting, should it be allowed to continue, should only take place on the land owned by the person who hires the hunters. However, once a fox has been spotted, the toffs don't care who's land they violate, who gets in their way, as long as they get their trophy. A dead piece of fur. Over the years there have been articles on kids being frightened incredibly by toffs trampling their horses across gardens, articles on pets being killed by the dogs, and so on. It only takes a search on the various news websites to find stories like this.
So what do the toffs say about it?
One toff on the news expressed his views along the lines of this pathetic cry for sympathy, "If fox hunting is banned, I will lose my home. I will lose my livelihood. The hounds will have to go. I'm not trained for anything else, so I will have to train to work."
Oh my! Welcome to the life the rest of us lead. We have to work for a living. We don't get to play a barbaric sport for a living. We have to take part in training and earn a real wage, as opposed to riding horses and playing fetch with a fox instead of a stick. It's not that they're afraid they'll lose their jobs. It's that they're afraid to get jobs!
So how do these toffs plan to make things go their way? They turn a peaceful protest into a mob attack. Storm the houses of parliament and think a bit of shouting is going to change the minds of those listening to the majority view of the people. I wont deny that the majority view isn't always right, but I feel that in this situation, in this democracy, the same argument that the protesters were using, again ironic, that fox hunting should be banned if only to give these toffs a reality check.
On the news today, I saw a woman with a big cut around her eye shouting, "I wasn't even protesting! A policeman did this (points to eye)! And I'm a firm believer in the law! So tell me this: What was a non-protester doing in the middle of a huge crowd of protesters outside the Houses of Parliament? Somehow I doubt she was having a picnic. And the rest of them suprised that the police hit them with their truncheons. What did they expect the police to do? Hand them boxing gloves to batter the MPs they voted in?
Overall, this shows the utter rediculous nature of the inbred toffs. They're too afraid to work, and instead of having to find some other way to play, they're forced to find jobs that aren't quite a horse-ride in the park. The majority of people in the UK want an end to this barbaric sport and all agree there are plenty of other more humane ways of handling the overwhelming fox crisis. I mean, it's getting so bad that you can't even walk the streets now incase a fox runs away from you like a scared puppy! Disgusting!
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Avoiding? Not at all - in fact, I think the digression has been mainly from other parties.
My point is that there is no moral substance to this ban - Fox Hunting was banned for the wrong reasons and therefore I disagree with it.
My point is that there is no moral substance to this ban - Fox Hunting was banned for the wrong reasons and therefore I disagree with it.
Again, there is no proposed ban on hunting foxes.
The ban is on hunting foxes with dogs. Something you quite clearly seem to be avoiding.
The ban is on hunting foxes with dogs. Something you quite clearly seem to be avoiding.
Mav wrote:
> By logic then, 450,000 must die every
> year - of which 16,000 are said to be killed by fox hunting.
So if there was another method of killing those 16,000 foxes, would you support that instead?
> By logic then, 450,000 must die every
> year - of which 16,000 are said to be killed by fox hunting.
So if there was another method of killing those 16,000 foxes, would you support that instead?
Foxes are pests. They are vicous, uncontrollable killers. Killing for food may be natural, but a fox will go into a chicken run and slaughter everything in there.
The fox population in Britain is roughly a constant of 225,000, and 450,000 are born every year. By logic then, 450,000 must die every year - of which 16,000 are said to be killed by fox hunting. The balance is precise, and the ban will not only upset this but ruin the livelehood of the people who work in the fox hunting industry.
Equally in balance was the class-war ceasefire which now looks set to start up again because of this.
The fox population in Britain is roughly a constant of 225,000, and 450,000 are born every year. By logic then, 450,000 must die every year - of which 16,000 are said to be killed by fox hunting. The balance is precise, and the ban will not only upset this but ruin the livelehood of the people who work in the fox hunting industry.
Equally in balance was the class-war ceasefire which now looks set to start up again because of this.
The difference is, the fox killing an animal for food is nature.
A pack of dogs trained to kill foxes by humans isn't.
As for farm animals being kept in battery farms - utter bullcrap.
Fox Hunting is not illegal. Fox Hunting with Dogs is what is going to be made illegal. You can still shoot them...just not attack them with a pack of dogs.
As for the burns. Tescos seem to be the worst around here. I've seen more black burns on chicken legs than any other supermarket. So they're hardly all free range as it is...not that a fox hunting with dogs ban will make a difference to farming methods at all...well, except for the stubborn farmers who will change just to make their point.
A pack of dogs trained to kill foxes by humans isn't.
As for farm animals being kept in battery farms - utter bullcrap.
Fox Hunting is not illegal. Fox Hunting with Dogs is what is going to be made illegal. You can still shoot them...just not attack them with a pack of dogs.
As for the burns. Tescos seem to be the worst around here. I've seen more black burns on chicken legs than any other supermarket. So they're hardly all free range as it is...not that a fox hunting with dogs ban will make a difference to farming methods at all...well, except for the stubborn farmers who will change just to make their point.
Meh, it's been banned, now joe public can go back to eating chickens and eggs from battery farms where they end up getting burns from standing in urine all day. Nice.
The thing about animal rights is it's not just one issue it's a whole can of worms. If it's something we don't eat and it's not seen as disease ridden, we tend to think it's all nice and cute and don't want to see it harmed, but hell, we're not bothered about the conditions they keep pigs/chickens/cowes etc. in, or how they end up getting slaughtered.
Yeah, a pack of dogs tearing apart a fox isn't very nice, but then again a fox tearing apart a chicken may not be particularly nice either for the chicken, but hey, chickens are edible, so what do we care?
By the way, I'm not vegetarian or a big 'animal rights' kinda person, but there's a much bigger question here than whether or not it's crual to hunt foxes...
The thing about animal rights is it's not just one issue it's a whole can of worms. If it's something we don't eat and it's not seen as disease ridden, we tend to think it's all nice and cute and don't want to see it harmed, but hell, we're not bothered about the conditions they keep pigs/chickens/cowes etc. in, or how they end up getting slaughtered.
Yeah, a pack of dogs tearing apart a fox isn't very nice, but then again a fox tearing apart a chicken may not be particularly nice either for the chicken, but hey, chickens are edible, so what do we care?
By the way, I'm not vegetarian or a big 'animal rights' kinda person, but there's a much bigger question here than whether or not it's crual to hunt foxes...
Mav wrote:
> lalakersrule wrote:
> Balls do they, they stand for Europe if anything.
>
> Yet Blair didn't even try to join the Euro.
Because he knows if he holds a referendum at the moment he'd be hit with a strong 'No' vote to it. He's just waiting until he thinks people will actually vote yes to it. Democracy in action, don't you just love it?
> lalakersrule wrote:
> Balls do they, they stand for Europe if anything.
>
> Yet Blair didn't even try to join the Euro.
Because he knows if he holds a referendum at the moment he'd be hit with a strong 'No' vote to it. He's just waiting until he thinks people will actually vote yes to it. Democracy in action, don't you just love it?
Fishing for food is still cruel, is it not?
Fox Hunting is done as a sport.
Fishing is done to provide us with food. I wont deny it is also a sport...and as relaxing as it may be to a fisherman, I class it as cruelty.
Just as I classed the mass culling of healthy farm animals over the F&M crisis as cruelty.
Even the knowledgeable critics criticised the government's handling of that...
Fishing is done to provide us with food. I wont deny it is also a sport...and as relaxing as it may be to a fisherman, I class it as cruelty.
Just as I classed the mass culling of healthy farm animals over the F&M crisis as cruelty.
Even the knowledgeable critics criticised the government's handling of that...
I don't deny that there are some valid arguments against fox hunting, but to say the ban was motivated by humanitarianism and compassion towards animals would be missing the political reasons behind it.
Why, for example, has fox hunting been banned when it's no less moral than fishing or slaughtering animals for food? This is about class, and may well catalyse the start of another class war.
That, we most certainly do not want.
Why, for example, has fox hunting been banned when it's no less moral than fishing or slaughtering animals for food? This is about class, and may well catalyse the start of another class war.
That, we most certainly do not want.
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