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Well as many of you know by now I'm your resident gay member and I have been having some relationship problems as of late. In fact it's been scheisse. I have been going out with my PERFECT boyfriend for the past 3 months (on the 16th on this month) and it's been amazing being with him. However on Wednesday I made a big mistake.
My ex called Chris well...my new guy is very protective of me around him as Chris has tried while we're going out, to err get at me. So I said to Mark look if you're that bothered about Chris, I'll never see him again. He's my past and you're my future. Mark declined though and said "No he's been a good friend to you for near enough 3 years now I don't want to be the reason you stop seeing him.
I just left it at that after and me and Mark continued our great relationship. We had plans to move in with each other in Mid-october, we both gave up uni for it and he's working his ass of working anti-social ours to get the initial money until I start saving from a part time job i plan to get on Tuesday.
He only gets Wednesdays off from this job and we planned to spend everyone together. Just being together...it's all I ever want. However on his first wednesday off I made the biggest mistake of my life.
I spent a great day as always with him and I decided to end the night by taking him to an Edinburgh gay bar (habanas) as he hadn't seen any of Edinburgh's. When we were there we started drinking and having a good time when my ex-Chris came in. I told Mark who he was and said to Mark "Don't worry I wont come back for a drink with him".
After a couple of hours Mark had to go home. I wanted to spend as much time as I could with him so I convinced him to stay for a while longer and get the late train home. Eventually he had to go though so I walked him to the train station, hugged him, kissed him, told him how much I loved him and said goodbye. Seconds later Chris phoned and said "Why don't you come back for one drink? There's a pineapple bacardi waiting for you" I said no but then he said "For god's sake! You've got to have a life outside Mark you know"...so I reconsidered and joined him for one drink, two if you count the bottle of volvic I bought for the walk home.
While I was there though Mark phoned my mobile. I said "Hey babe, sorry I'm at Haban...." and he hung up on me. I thought he was just a bit annoyed at me for going back for a drink but I still felt like crap that I'd caused the one man I truely love to feel like that so I walked home and couldn't get to sleep. I tried phoning and texting him but he answered and replied to nothing. It just made me feel worse and worse and I knew he must be angry about something else too.
I got up the next day and the first thing I checked was my phone to see if he got back to me and he hadn't so I went on MSN were he explained all. I promised him I would never see Chris again if that's what he wanted a while ago he was upset that I went back to see him after Habanas. I was sure Mark said he didn't want me to stop seeing Chris so I didn't give it much thought but now I know I should have kept that promise regardless and I am keeping it now.
Mark says he lost his trust in me that night and now we don't have a relationship...it hurt me so so much to see him say that. It was terrible.
I felt so bad for hurting him and I didn't know what to do. However, he did talk to me again. In fact I met Mark again yesterday. He phoned me at 1:00am after work and after talking for an hour-hour and a half he asked if I wanted to come and see him. I always said I was just a phonecall away and I went to see him a few hours later (got there at 12 noon). At first it was hard but I knew it would be. We talked about it at the start and decided just to put it behind us and try and get back what we had (we're not breaking up!!! YES!) I was so relieved when I heard that and it made me so so happy to be given the chance to make him happy again.
He say's it's going to be hard and I can understand why it will be but I'm sure we'll work through it. I can't afford us not to, I made a mistake and although I can't change it. We all learn from our mistakes and take something from it, I took the lesson that I can never ever do anything to jeapordise our relationship again. I love him far far too much to ever lose him.
I'm sure when he saw me he must have been able to see how much I was hurting, how truely sorry I was and there must have been some part of him that saw that I'd learnt my lesson, even if it was the hard way.
The only problem now is earning his trust again. It's going to be so so hard, I have to earn his trust again and he has to learn to trust again. All I want though is our relationship as it was. Perfect, just like him.
He works 8 till 8 Sat and Sun after a 6 till midnight work shift on Friday. I've never spent so long not talking to him before and considering the circumstances I'm sure you can understand how much I miss him and want to talk to him. I want to be with him so much. Earlier on I couldn't really take it. It felt so bad just wanting to phone him but knowing he was at work. I needed a distraction and I turned to something I never have before.
I decided to self harm, not properly really. I didn't drag a stanley knife across my skin. I was smoking at the time and I stubbed it out on my wrist. The pain of the burn took away some of the mental pain but now I realise it was just a distraction and now I have to cover the burn scar. I'm not sure if I regret it because it made me feel better for a few moments but I just don't know what to do. It's so frustrating knowing you'd do anything for someone, knowing they could trust you and that you'd die for them and them not to trust you back. I just love him so much and want him to love me like he did before. I just feel so bad right now.
I don't know what you're all going to make of this post and I don't know what kind of responses I'm wanting but I just wanted to talk to some people about it. Thanks for your time.
My ex called Chris well...my new guy is very protective of me around him as Chris has tried while we're going out, to err get at me. So I said to Mark look if you're that bothered about Chris, I'll never see him again. He's my past and you're my future. Mark declined though and said "No he's been a good friend to you for near enough 3 years now I don't want to be the reason you stop seeing him.
I just left it at that after and me and Mark continued our great relationship. We had plans to move in with each other in Mid-october, we both gave up uni for it and he's working his ass of working anti-social ours to get the initial money until I start saving from a part time job i plan to get on Tuesday.
He only gets Wednesdays off from this job and we planned to spend everyone together. Just being together...it's all I ever want. However on his first wednesday off I made the biggest mistake of my life.
I spent a great day as always with him and I decided to end the night by taking him to an Edinburgh gay bar (habanas) as he hadn't seen any of Edinburgh's. When we were there we started drinking and having a good time when my ex-Chris came in. I told Mark who he was and said to Mark "Don't worry I wont come back for a drink with him".
After a couple of hours Mark had to go home. I wanted to spend as much time as I could with him so I convinced him to stay for a while longer and get the late train home. Eventually he had to go though so I walked him to the train station, hugged him, kissed him, told him how much I loved him and said goodbye. Seconds later Chris phoned and said "Why don't you come back for one drink? There's a pineapple bacardi waiting for you" I said no but then he said "For god's sake! You've got to have a life outside Mark you know"...so I reconsidered and joined him for one drink, two if you count the bottle of volvic I bought for the walk home.
While I was there though Mark phoned my mobile. I said "Hey babe, sorry I'm at Haban...." and he hung up on me. I thought he was just a bit annoyed at me for going back for a drink but I still felt like crap that I'd caused the one man I truely love to feel like that so I walked home and couldn't get to sleep. I tried phoning and texting him but he answered and replied to nothing. It just made me feel worse and worse and I knew he must be angry about something else too.
I got up the next day and the first thing I checked was my phone to see if he got back to me and he hadn't so I went on MSN were he explained all. I promised him I would never see Chris again if that's what he wanted a while ago he was upset that I went back to see him after Habanas. I was sure Mark said he didn't want me to stop seeing Chris so I didn't give it much thought but now I know I should have kept that promise regardless and I am keeping it now.
Mark says he lost his trust in me that night and now we don't have a relationship...it hurt me so so much to see him say that. It was terrible.
I felt so bad for hurting him and I didn't know what to do. However, he did talk to me again. In fact I met Mark again yesterday. He phoned me at 1:00am after work and after talking for an hour-hour and a half he asked if I wanted to come and see him. I always said I was just a phonecall away and I went to see him a few hours later (got there at 12 noon). At first it was hard but I knew it would be. We talked about it at the start and decided just to put it behind us and try and get back what we had (we're not breaking up!!! YES!) I was so relieved when I heard that and it made me so so happy to be given the chance to make him happy again.
He say's it's going to be hard and I can understand why it will be but I'm sure we'll work through it. I can't afford us not to, I made a mistake and although I can't change it. We all learn from our mistakes and take something from it, I took the lesson that I can never ever do anything to jeapordise our relationship again. I love him far far too much to ever lose him.
I'm sure when he saw me he must have been able to see how much I was hurting, how truely sorry I was and there must have been some part of him that saw that I'd learnt my lesson, even if it was the hard way.
The only problem now is earning his trust again. It's going to be so so hard, I have to earn his trust again and he has to learn to trust again. All I want though is our relationship as it was. Perfect, just like him.
He works 8 till 8 Sat and Sun after a 6 till midnight work shift on Friday. I've never spent so long not talking to him before and considering the circumstances I'm sure you can understand how much I miss him and want to talk to him. I want to be with him so much. Earlier on I couldn't really take it. It felt so bad just wanting to phone him but knowing he was at work. I needed a distraction and I turned to something I never have before.
I decided to self harm, not properly really. I didn't drag a stanley knife across my skin. I was smoking at the time and I stubbed it out on my wrist. The pain of the burn took away some of the mental pain but now I realise it was just a distraction and now I have to cover the burn scar. I'm not sure if I regret it because it made me feel better for a few moments but I just don't know what to do. It's so frustrating knowing you'd do anything for someone, knowing they could trust you and that you'd die for them and them not to trust you back. I just love him so much and want him to love me like he did before. I just feel so bad right now.
I don't know what you're all going to make of this post and I don't know what kind of responses I'm wanting but I just wanted to talk to some people about it. Thanks for your time.
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Bloody hell!
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I've never thought of animals purposely being gay - I think they bum anything them want, and time they want.
True enough, but I'm given to understand a large proportion of animals do; certainly many apes bum each other like it's out of fashion. I believe it's a dominance thing in their social structures, though doubtless Forest would claim it's because animals inherited mans sinful nature (though naturally he'd be unable to explain how they did this).
I don't actually think any study has been done comparing rates of homosexuality in animals and man, which is why I'm always so scathing of anyone who tries to claim that it happens in the one and not the other. Mind you, maybe there is an animal kingdom version of the Daily Mail that complains that the Animal Kingdom will collapse in anarchy if these evil 'mo beasts continue to refuse to fancy girls.
I don't actually think any study has been done comparing rates of homosexuality in animals and man, which is why I'm always so scathing of anyone who tries to claim that it happens in the one and not the other. Mind you, maybe there is an animal kingdom version of the Daily Mail that complains that the Animal Kingdom will collapse in anarchy if these evil 'mo beasts continue to refuse to fancy girls.
Ah, but the majority of animals can't be bummers, else the species would die out.
So if the number of pot-holing humans increases too much, we may well start to have our numbers decline too...
So if the number of pot-holing humans increases too much, we may well start to have our numbers decline too...
Your Honour wrote:
> Do you get queer animals, do you think?
You most certainly do! Actually, this (among many other things) is a topic I've discussed with Forest. He keeps saying that homosexuality is more prevelant in humans than in the animal kingdom. I've asked about 6 or 7 times for him to provide a link to where he got his figures from, but he just keeps avoiding the topic. Funny that; you'd think someone apparently so keen on freedom of speech would make the effort to contribute to a debate.
Mind you, if you want a scathingly funny view on one source that asserts homosexuality among animals, watch Ricky Gervais' Animals dvd; corking.
> Do you get queer animals, do you think?
You most certainly do! Actually, this (among many other things) is a topic I've discussed with Forest. He keeps saying that homosexuality is more prevelant in humans than in the animal kingdom. I've asked about 6 or 7 times for him to provide a link to where he got his figures from, but he just keeps avoiding the topic. Funny that; you'd think someone apparently so keen on freedom of speech would make the effort to contribute to a debate.
Mind you, if you want a scathingly funny view on one source that asserts homosexuality among animals, watch Ricky Gervais' Animals dvd; corking.
YOU'RE ALL JUST HOMOPHOBIC BREEDERS
Do you get queer animals, do you think?
maddmun wrote:
> monkey_man wrote:
> Oh, and I bet you don't complain when you see two women getting it
> on.
>
> Yeah, actually, I do.
You are one twisted, twisted, person.
> monkey_man wrote:
> Oh, and I bet you don't complain when you see two women getting it
> on.
>
> Yeah, actually, I do.
You are one twisted, twisted, person.
My two cents...
Forest Fan wrote:
> Is it me, or is free speech not allowed anymore? Is expressing your
> emotion not right? Homosexuality is disgusting. If anyone has a
> problem with my view - that's just political correctness, i.e. non
> freedom of speech. You're all entitled to your views, and I'm
> entitled to mine.
So by that logic, aren't the staffies entitled to their view that you were being intolerant, hateful, and ignorant? Aren't they entitled to express that view by giving you a warning? If not, why not? Aren't you trying to restrict their freedom of speech by complaining about being warned?
What I'm driving at here is that playing the Free Speech card when you make an offensive statement is pretty dumb; it (thankfully) failed when Kilroy Silk tried to claim that all arabs are Suicide bombers and limb amputators who have never contributed anything positive to the world.
Trying to compare Cubists "breeder" insult is fairly poor as well. Yes, it's an insult and I guess if anyone was genuinely offended then it falls to Cubist to make his apology. However, comparing it to your initial statement, that homosexual relationships cannot work, is ridiculous. Your statement has literally no basis in fact; homosexuality has been around as long as civilisation, and there are millions of homosexual relationships that are as strong as your hetero model of perfection (if not stronger; the only people who view marriage as remotely important these days are gay couples).
So then, in summary; you behaved like a intolerant wad of crusted and decaying manfat trapped in the hair around your navel. That offended people, and you got punished. Take your punishment like a man rather than looking for increasingly ridiculous reasons why you can't possibly be wrong and why calling people nasty horrible bummers is striking a blow for truth and freedom.
Forest Fan wrote:
> Is it me, or is free speech not allowed anymore? Is expressing your
> emotion not right? Homosexuality is disgusting. If anyone has a
> problem with my view - that's just political correctness, i.e. non
> freedom of speech. You're all entitled to your views, and I'm
> entitled to mine.
So by that logic, aren't the staffies entitled to their view that you were being intolerant, hateful, and ignorant? Aren't they entitled to express that view by giving you a warning? If not, why not? Aren't you trying to restrict their freedom of speech by complaining about being warned?
What I'm driving at here is that playing the Free Speech card when you make an offensive statement is pretty dumb; it (thankfully) failed when Kilroy Silk tried to claim that all arabs are Suicide bombers and limb amputators who have never contributed anything positive to the world.
Trying to compare Cubists "breeder" insult is fairly poor as well. Yes, it's an insult and I guess if anyone was genuinely offended then it falls to Cubist to make his apology. However, comparing it to your initial statement, that homosexual relationships cannot work, is ridiculous. Your statement has literally no basis in fact; homosexuality has been around as long as civilisation, and there are millions of homosexual relationships that are as strong as your hetero model of perfection (if not stronger; the only people who view marriage as remotely important these days are gay couples).
So then, in summary; you behaved like a intolerant wad of crusted and decaying manfat trapped in the hair around your navel. That offended people, and you got punished. Take your punishment like a man rather than looking for increasingly ridiculous reasons why you can't possibly be wrong and why calling people nasty horrible bummers is striking a blow for truth and freedom.
Someone picked him up and dropped him out the window.
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