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Would have quite an interesting effect on the battle. Giving Nintendo a 6 month headstart.
Will Sony let it happen? Is getting more systems out in the US really more important? Does the fact that there is not enough titles ready for launch matter?
Nintendo's launch of the DS went perfectly, and the PSPs seems to have been shrouded in misery. Ninja disks, dodgy buttons, pants battery life...
Do Sony deserve to fail? Part of me hopes so, but part of me understands the need for a bit of competition for Nintendo. I mean Nintendo didn't really do too well at supplying many decent games on the GBA! But of sodding re-releases. Then they moan at Sony going "All that's going to be on PSP are PS2 ports. {winge winge}" Part of me thinks Nintendo does need a slap, and some competition to make them pull their a***s into gear and give us a solid flow of games for a change, rather than moaning about everyone else.
But then on the other hand, there's a part of me which will always love Nintendo, and doesn't want to see them get a whooping again from Sony. Time will tell which'll turn out to be the most popular. My moneys on the DS, cos I'm gonna buy at least two. One for me, and one for the misses on her birthday. Hope that Doctor game comes out, cos she'd love it, but I don't hold much hope for it coming out anywhere other than Japan. :(
Anyways, delayed PSP! Oh yer. Let it be so!
:)
Will Sony let it happen? Is getting more systems out in the US really more important? Does the fact that there is not enough titles ready for launch matter?
Nintendo's launch of the DS went perfectly, and the PSPs seems to have been shrouded in misery. Ninja disks, dodgy buttons, pants battery life...
Do Sony deserve to fail? Part of me hopes so, but part of me understands the need for a bit of competition for Nintendo. I mean Nintendo didn't really do too well at supplying many decent games on the GBA! But of sodding re-releases. Then they moan at Sony going "All that's going to be on PSP are PS2 ports. {winge winge}" Part of me thinks Nintendo does need a slap, and some competition to make them pull their a***s into gear and give us a solid flow of games for a change, rather than moaning about everyone else.
But then on the other hand, there's a part of me which will always love Nintendo, and doesn't want to see them get a whooping again from Sony. Time will tell which'll turn out to be the most popular. My moneys on the DS, cos I'm gonna buy at least two. One for me, and one for the misses on her birthday. Hope that Doctor game comes out, cos she'd love it, but I don't hold much hope for it coming out anywhere other than Japan. :(
Anyways, delayed PSP! Oh yer. Let it be so!
:)
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I'd say there were generally more games on handhelds than consoles, because they're easier to make. Most of the developers that signed up for the DS I'd never heard of before because they were exclusive to the GBA.
Although that'll probably change now, seeing as the technology has just taken a massive step forward, and a small team can no longer make a new handheld game quickly.
Although that'll probably change now, seeing as the technology has just taken a massive step forward, and a small team can no longer make a new handheld game quickly.
I thought Nintendo released plenty of games on the GBA.
Thing about handhelds is that you never have anywhere near the amount of games that you would on a console.
Thing about handhelds is that you never have anywhere near the amount of games that you would on a console.
Indeed, indeed.
Although if you choose the losing side (but only if they lose by a long way, which doesn't look like it's going to happen) you may not get the best games due to developers pulling out and making exclusively for the other platform.
Although if you choose the losing side (but only if they lose by a long way, which doesn't look like it's going to happen) you may not get the best games due to developers pulling out and making exclusively for the other platform.
Im not biased anyway, will get the PSP as well as having the DS.
The end of the day, the company that makes the most money will win.
Prepare to have the PSP rammed down every orifice the moment it comes out, ever other page in a magazine, and on the TV as often as claims direct advert.
as long as your happy, who cares?!
The end of the day, the company that makes the most money will win.
Prepare to have the PSP rammed down every orifice the moment it comes out, ever other page in a magazine, and on the TV as often as claims direct advert.
as long as your happy, who cares?!
Macintosh wrote:
> MSR? OMG! There's no way the DC could produce GT4 even if somehow the
> game code were changed. The DC doesnt even have a proper 128bit cpu.
> It's a twin 64bit design, and it was about 70Mhz slower.
Hence the better graphics of the Dreamcast?
Hmph, I would believe if Polyphony had the means (and they do considering how they managed it with GT4 on PS2) they would have created quite a beautiful GT4 for DC.
But lets not ignore the fact that generally, now I am using the term generally, that the PS2 graphics are sub-par to the DC. And that is regardless to the so-called 'Bittage' malarkey, as nowadays that term is obsolete for graphics.
The PS2 in Areas has superior technology to the Gamecube, but that is Raw numbers, when you have everything technically running throwing polygons left right and centre, antialiasing, bump mapping and so forth, the power dwindles giving us games that dont look as good as the X-Box and GC.
I am a PS2 fanatic myself, but not a biased one.
I've owned the system since it's release and firmly supported it with a wealth of great titles.
But I have owned the Dreamcast since it came out as well and going by experience of my 50+ titles for it, it was a powerful, brilliant system that sadly was kicked to pieces by non public support.
I know about GT4 looking lovely and Metal Gear Solid 3 as well, but DC for an old system would have surpassed anything that the PS2 would do if it were around today competing alongside it.
The Dreamcast was ahead of its time, it had On-Line games as far back as 5 years ago in your living room and an average internet browser etc. So criticising the system over your strong biased 'Sony forum pilgrimage' is stupid.
And as for the PSP, sure I would love it to succeed.
I'd really love to see a bit of a challenge for once in the hand held market and I would love to see Nintendo get a good rattle for once in it, but I can't see PSP overtaking Nintendo in the hand-held market anytime soon. Sure it might overtake it once or twice in weekly sales numbers, as has every decent enough hand held has done, but in the end i don't think the system has got what it takes. You will see in the future the PSP overtaking the DS in sales due to a heavy influx of great titles like GTA but it I think it won't help it be number one. Look at the Gamecube in Japan, when a decent title is released for it the sales numbers for the system rocket to the top, we witnessed it not too long ago when the sales for the Gamecube overtook the PS2.
The PSP is a mighty undertaking from Sony and a bold one too which has got my respect for them. And as for the topic header, if the PSP actually came out in September it will truly be Game-Over for them, having a system with a low battery life and battery consuming games being released alongside it (at that date) will be the death of the whole PSP idea and quite frankly I can't see Sony being that stupid.
The PSP will be popular, but I keep stating: So was the Game Gear.
And as for Japan, the Wonder Swan up until recently was very popular. The Wonder Swan was a success but it didn't rule the market, just like the Gamecube is today worldwide.
I can see the same for PSP, it being a great success- but I can't see it successfully stomping its domination all over the hand held scene.
> MSR? OMG! There's no way the DC could produce GT4 even if somehow the
> game code were changed. The DC doesnt even have a proper 128bit cpu.
> It's a twin 64bit design, and it was about 70Mhz slower.
Hence the better graphics of the Dreamcast?
Hmph, I would believe if Polyphony had the means (and they do considering how they managed it with GT4 on PS2) they would have created quite a beautiful GT4 for DC.
But lets not ignore the fact that generally, now I am using the term generally, that the PS2 graphics are sub-par to the DC. And that is regardless to the so-called 'Bittage' malarkey, as nowadays that term is obsolete for graphics.
The PS2 in Areas has superior technology to the Gamecube, but that is Raw numbers, when you have everything technically running throwing polygons left right and centre, antialiasing, bump mapping and so forth, the power dwindles giving us games that dont look as good as the X-Box and GC.
I am a PS2 fanatic myself, but not a biased one.
I've owned the system since it's release and firmly supported it with a wealth of great titles.
But I have owned the Dreamcast since it came out as well and going by experience of my 50+ titles for it, it was a powerful, brilliant system that sadly was kicked to pieces by non public support.
I know about GT4 looking lovely and Metal Gear Solid 3 as well, but DC for an old system would have surpassed anything that the PS2 would do if it were around today competing alongside it.
The Dreamcast was ahead of its time, it had On-Line games as far back as 5 years ago in your living room and an average internet browser etc. So criticising the system over your strong biased 'Sony forum pilgrimage' is stupid.
And as for the PSP, sure I would love it to succeed.
I'd really love to see a bit of a challenge for once in the hand held market and I would love to see Nintendo get a good rattle for once in it, but I can't see PSP overtaking Nintendo in the hand-held market anytime soon. Sure it might overtake it once or twice in weekly sales numbers, as has every decent enough hand held has done, but in the end i don't think the system has got what it takes. You will see in the future the PSP overtaking the DS in sales due to a heavy influx of great titles like GTA but it I think it won't help it be number one. Look at the Gamecube in Japan, when a decent title is released for it the sales numbers for the system rocket to the top, we witnessed it not too long ago when the sales for the Gamecube overtook the PS2.
The PSP is a mighty undertaking from Sony and a bold one too which has got my respect for them. And as for the topic header, if the PSP actually came out in September it will truly be Game-Over for them, having a system with a low battery life and battery consuming games being released alongside it (at that date) will be the death of the whole PSP idea and quite frankly I can't see Sony being that stupid.
The PSP will be popular, but I keep stating: So was the Game Gear.
And as for Japan, the Wonder Swan up until recently was very popular. The Wonder Swan was a success but it didn't rule the market, just like the Gamecube is today worldwide.
I can see the same for PSP, it being a great success- but I can't see it successfully stomping its domination all over the hand held scene.
Gollum wrote:
> Macintosh wrote:
> Why do you think just because it happened like that in the past, the
> same will happen this time round? Your argument is based on past
> history, and those points are no longer valid. The world has moved
> on, Sony is not a new kid on the block - people already have other
> Sony consoles. It's not an "unknown" brand.
>
> Dreamcast - whats that? If the Dreampast (sorry slip of the tongue)
> could match GT4 (or even GT3), plus the quality of Jak & Daxter,
> combined with its earlier launch, it would now be in front. But its
> not. Some of the DC's graphics were ok, but some of it was not. The
> DinoCrisis game on DC looked only about 10% better than the PS1
> version! And I like to see them compress down GTA-SanAndrea's to fit
> on the 1.0Gb disc.
>
> You aren't making any point there! Because as Dringo has pointed
> out... aren't you basing your biased views on what Sony did in the
> past?
>
> And go play Metropolis Street Racer on Dreamcast!! A game that indeed
> trounces the graphics of GT3 and as for GT4, well if they pulled that
> sort of Graphics out of the PS2 for it Im sure they would have done
> better on the DC.
> And the Quality of Jak and Daxter?? You are kidding right? lol!
> Oh and take a look at Shenmue 1 and 2 as mentioned!
MSR? OMG! There's no way the DC could produce GT4 even if somehow the game code were changed. The DC doesnt even have a proper 128bit cpu. It's a twin 64bit design, and it was about 70Mhz slower.
> Macintosh wrote:
> Why do you think just because it happened like that in the past, the
> same will happen this time round? Your argument is based on past
> history, and those points are no longer valid. The world has moved
> on, Sony is not a new kid on the block - people already have other
> Sony consoles. It's not an "unknown" brand.
>
> Dreamcast - whats that? If the Dreampast (sorry slip of the tongue)
> could match GT4 (or even GT3), plus the quality of Jak & Daxter,
> combined with its earlier launch, it would now be in front. But its
> not. Some of the DC's graphics were ok, but some of it was not. The
> DinoCrisis game on DC looked only about 10% better than the PS1
> version! And I like to see them compress down GTA-SanAndrea's to fit
> on the 1.0Gb disc.
>
> You aren't making any point there! Because as Dringo has pointed
> out... aren't you basing your biased views on what Sony did in the
> past?
>
> And go play Metropolis Street Racer on Dreamcast!! A game that indeed
> trounces the graphics of GT3 and as for GT4, well if they pulled that
> sort of Graphics out of the PS2 for it Im sure they would have done
> better on the DC.
> And the Quality of Jak and Daxter?? You are kidding right? lol!
> Oh and take a look at Shenmue 1 and 2 as mentioned!
MSR? OMG! There's no way the DC could produce GT4 even if somehow the game code were changed. The DC doesnt even have a proper 128bit cpu. It's a twin 64bit design, and it was about 70Mhz slower.
Gollum wrote:
> Dringo wrote:
> By chance did you get that from an American website who got the game
> late?
>
>
> The Americans never got Shenmue 2 at all on Dreamcast, it was
> Exclusive to Europe!!
> They only got Shenmue 2 on X-Box.
I know, we're talking Shenmue 1.
> Dringo wrote:
> By chance did you get that from an American website who got the game
> late?
>
>
> The Americans never got Shenmue 2 at all on Dreamcast, it was
> Exclusive to Europe!!
> They only got Shenmue 2 on X-Box.
I know, we're talking Shenmue 1.
Dringo wrote:
> By chance did you get that from an American website who got the game
> late?
The Americans never got Shenmue 2 at all on Dreamcast, it was Exclusive to Europe!!
They only got Shenmue 2 on X-Box.
> By chance did you get that from an American website who got the game
> late?
The Americans never got Shenmue 2 at all on Dreamcast, it was Exclusive to Europe!!
They only got Shenmue 2 on X-Box.
Macintosh wrote:
> Why do you think just because it happened like that in the past, the
> same will happen this time round? Your argument is based on past
> history, and those points are no longer valid. The world has moved
> on, Sony is not a new kid on the block - people already have other
> Sony consoles. It's not an "unknown" brand.
>
> Dreamcast - whats that? If the Dreampast (sorry slip of the tongue)
> could match GT4 (or even GT3), plus the quality of Jak & Daxter,
> combined with its earlier launch, it would now be in front. But its
> not. Some of the DC's graphics were ok, but some of it was not. The
> DinoCrisis game on DC looked only about 10% better than the PS1
> version! And I like to see them compress down GTA-SanAndrea's to fit
> on the 1.0Gb disc.
You aren't making any point there! Because as Dringo has pointed out... aren't you basing your biased views on what Sony did in the past?
And go play Metropolis Street Racer on Dreamcast!! A game that indeed trounces the graphics of GT3 and as for GT4, well if they pulled that sort of Graphics out of the PS2 for it Im sure they would have done better on the DC.
And the Quality of Jak and Daxter?? You are kidding right? lol!
Oh and take a look at Shenmue 1 and 2 as mentioned!
> Why do you think just because it happened like that in the past, the
> same will happen this time round? Your argument is based on past
> history, and those points are no longer valid. The world has moved
> on, Sony is not a new kid on the block - people already have other
> Sony consoles. It's not an "unknown" brand.
>
> Dreamcast - whats that? If the Dreampast (sorry slip of the tongue)
> could match GT4 (or even GT3), plus the quality of Jak & Daxter,
> combined with its earlier launch, it would now be in front. But its
> not. Some of the DC's graphics were ok, but some of it was not. The
> DinoCrisis game on DC looked only about 10% better than the PS1
> version! And I like to see them compress down GTA-SanAndrea's to fit
> on the 1.0Gb disc.
You aren't making any point there! Because as Dringo has pointed out... aren't you basing your biased views on what Sony did in the past?
And go play Metropolis Street Racer on Dreamcast!! A game that indeed trounces the graphics of GT3 and as for GT4, well if they pulled that sort of Graphics out of the PS2 for it Im sure they would have done better on the DC.
And the Quality of Jak and Daxter?? You are kidding right? lol!
Oh and take a look at Shenmue 1 and 2 as mentioned!
Tiltawhirl wrote:
> Shenmue was wonderful!
>
> Shenmue 2 however was akin to scraping your nails down a mile long
> blackboard.
Have to agree with that one, hence the reason it was just a GAD claim.
> Shenmue was wonderful!
>
> Shenmue 2 however was akin to scraping your nails down a mile long
> blackboard.
Have to agree with that one, hence the reason it was just a GAD claim.
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