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University Classroom Setting...
"LET ME EXPLAIN THE problem science has with Jesus Christ," The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand. "You're a Christian, aren't you, son?"
"Yes, sir."
"So you believe in God?"
"Absolutely."
"Is God good?"
"Sure! God's good."
"Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?"
"Yes."
" Are you good or evil?"
"The Bible says I'm evil."
The professor grins knowingly. "Ahh! THE BIBLE!" He considers for a moment. "Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help them? "Would you try?"
"Yes sir, I would."
"So you're good...!"
"I wouldn't say that."
"Why not say that? You would help a sick and maimed person if you could... in fact most of us would if we could... God doesn't." [No answer.]
"He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?"
[No answer]
The elderly man is sympathetic. "No, you can't, can you?" He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax. In philosophy, you have to go easy with the new ones. "Let's start again, son."
"Is God good?"
"Er... Yes."
"Is Satan good?"
"No."
"Where does Satan come from?"
The student falters. "From... God..."
"That's right. God made Satan, didn't he?" The elderly man runs his bony fingers through his thinning hair and turns to the smirking, student audience. "I think we're going to have a lot of fun this semester, ladies and gentlemen." He turns back to the Christian. "Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?"
"Yes, sir."
"Evil's everywhere, isn't it? Did God make everything?"
"Yes."
"Who created evil?
[No answer]
"Is there sickness in this world? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness. All those terrible things - do they exist in this world? "
The student squirms on his feet. "Yes."
"Who created them? "
[No answer]
The professor suddenly shouts at his student. "WHO CREATED THEM? TELL ME, PLEASE!"The professor closes in for the kill and climbs into the Christian's face. In a still small voice: "God created all evil, didn't He, son?"
[No answer]
The student tries to hold the steady, experienced gaze and fails. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace the front of the classroom like an aging panther. The class is mesmerized.
"Tell me," he continues, "How is it that this God is good if He created all evil throughout all time?" The professor swishes his arms around to encompass the wickedness of the world. "All the hatred, the brutality, all the pain, all the torture, all the death and ugliness and all the suffering created by this good God is all over the world, isn't it, young man?"
[No answer]
"Don't you see it all over the place? Huh?" Pause.
"Don't you?" The professor leans into the student's face again and whispers, "Is God good?"
[No answer]
"Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?"
The student's voice betrays him and cracks. "Yes, professor. I do."
The old man shakes his head sadly. "Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you seen Him? "
"No, sir. I've never seen Him."
"Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?"
"No, sir. I have not."
"Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelled your Jesus... in fact, do you have any sensory perception of your God whatsoever?"
[No answer]
"Answer me, please."
"No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't."
"You're AFRAID... you haven't?"
"No, sir."
"Yet you still believe in him?"
"...yes..."
"That takes FAITH!" The professor smiles sagely at the underling. "According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son? Where is your God now?"
[The student doesn't answer]
"Sit down, please."
The Christian sits...Defeated(?).
Another Christian raises his hand. "Professor, may I address the class?"
The professor turns and smiles. "Ah, another Christian in the vanguard! Come, come, young man. Speak some proper wisdom to the gathering."
The Christian looks around the room. "Some interesting points you are making, sir. Now I've got a question for you if that's okay. Is there such thing as heat?"
"Yes," the professor replies, frowning. "There's heat."
"Is there such a thing as cold?"
"Yes, son, there's cold too."
"No, sir, there isn't."
The professor's grin freezes.
The room suddenly goes very cold. The second Christian continues. "You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat but we don't have anything called 'cold'.
We can hit 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold, otherwise we would be able to go colder than 458 -- You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat.
We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy.
Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it." Silence. A pin drops somewhere in the classroom.
"Is there such a thing as darkness, professor?" "That's a dumb question, son. What is night if it isn't darkness? What are you getting at...?"
"So you say there is such a thing as darkness?"
"Yes..."
"You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something, it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, Darkness isn't.
If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker and give me a jar of it. Can you...give me a jar of darker darkness, professor?"
Despite himself, the professor smiles at the young effrontery before him. This will indeed be a good semester. "Would you mind telling us what your point is, young man?"
"Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with and so your conclusion must be in error...."
The professor goes toxic. "Flawed...? How dare you...!""
"Sir, may I explain what I mean?"
The class is all ears.
"Explain... oh, explain..." The professor makes an admirable effort to regain control. Suddenly he is affability itself. He waves his hand to silence the class, for the student to continue.
"You are working on the premise of duality," the Christian explains; "that for example there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure.
Sir, science cannot even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism but has never seen, much less fully understood them. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.
Death is not the opposite of life, merely the absence of it."
The young man holds up a newspaper he takes from the desk of a neighbor who has been reading it. "Here is one of the most disgusting tabloids you can buy, professor. Is there such a thing as immorality?"
"Of course there is, now look..."
"Wrong again, sir. You see, immorality is merely the absence of morality. Is there such thing as injustice? No. Injustice is the absence of justice. Is there such a thing as evil?" The Christian pauses.
"Isn't evil the absence of good?"
The professor's face has turned an alarming color. He is so angry he is temporarily speechless.
The Christian continues. "If there is evil in the world, professor, and we all agree there is, then God, if he exists, must be accomplishing a work through the agency of evil. What is that work God is accomplishing?
The Bible tells us it is to see if each one of us will, of our own free will, choose good over evil."
The professor bridles. "As a philosophical scientist, I don't view this matter as having anything to do with any choice; as a realist, I absolutely do not recognize the concept of God or any other theological factor as being part of the world equation because God is not observable."
"I would have thought that the absence of God's moral code in this world is probably one of the most observable phenomena going," the Christian replies. "Newspapers make billions of dollars reporting it every week! Tell me, professor. Do you believethat we have evolved from a monkey?"
"If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do."
"Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?" The professor makes a sucking sound with his teeth and gives his student a silent, stony stare.
"Professor. All previous attempts to explain how the process works have failed. Since no-one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a priest?"
"I'll overlook your impudence in the light of our philosophical discussion. Now, have you quite finished?" the professor hisses.
"So you don't accept God's moral code to do what is righteous?"
"I believe in what is - that's observable science!"
"Ahh! SCIENCE!" the student's face splits into a grin. "Sir, you rightly state that science is the study of observed phenomena. What you call "science" too is a premise which is flawed..."
"SCIENCE IS FLAWED..?" the professor splutters. The class is in uproar.
The Christian remains standing until the commotion has subsided. "To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, may I give you an example of what I mean?" The professor wisely keeps silent.
The Christian looks around the room.*Sir, the basic law of physics says matter can neither be created nor destroyed, and yet you in spite of that believe in "spontaneous generation" of the entire physical universe! Spontaneous generation of vermin was disproved centuries ago.
Talk about straining out the gnat and swallowing the camel! Sir, biogenesis is "observable science" as you say--life has only been observed to come from other life of like kind--and yet you apparently still believe that that is exactly what happened--in spite of science--that life somehow came from non-life.
Young man, the professor began tersely, I believe that science will eventually....
"That science will eventually prove that matter can be created, that life can come from non-life" interrupted the young Christian? Sir, that's not science--that's Faith! What you believe is the exact opposite of "observable science"!Your faith is in what you are calling "science", my faith is in God who created "science".
Make no mistake, Professor, we're both operating from faith."
There follows a long pause as the Professor stares the young Christian down without a word.
"Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's mind?" The class breaks out in laughter. The Christian points towards his elderly, crumbling tutor. "Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's mind... felt the professor's mind, touched or smelled the professor's mind?"
No one appears to have done so. The Christian shakes his head sadly. "It appears no-one here has had any sensory perception of the professor's mind whatsoever. Well, according to the rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol and science, I DECLARE that the professor has no mind." The class is in chaos. The Christian sits... Because that is what a chair is for, and begins filling out a drop slip.
"LET ME EXPLAIN THE problem science has with Jesus Christ," The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand. "You're a Christian, aren't you, son?"
"Yes, sir."
"So you believe in God?"
"Absolutely."
"Is God good?"
"Sure! God's good."
"Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?"
"Yes."
" Are you good or evil?"
"The Bible says I'm evil."
The professor grins knowingly. "Ahh! THE BIBLE!" He considers for a moment. "Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help them? "Would you try?"
"Yes sir, I would."
"So you're good...!"
"I wouldn't say that."
"Why not say that? You would help a sick and maimed person if you could... in fact most of us would if we could... God doesn't." [No answer.]
"He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?"
[No answer]
The elderly man is sympathetic. "No, you can't, can you?" He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax. In philosophy, you have to go easy with the new ones. "Let's start again, son."
"Is God good?"
"Er... Yes."
"Is Satan good?"
"No."
"Where does Satan come from?"
The student falters. "From... God..."
"That's right. God made Satan, didn't he?" The elderly man runs his bony fingers through his thinning hair and turns to the smirking, student audience. "I think we're going to have a lot of fun this semester, ladies and gentlemen." He turns back to the Christian. "Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?"
"Yes, sir."
"Evil's everywhere, isn't it? Did God make everything?"
"Yes."
"Who created evil?
[No answer]
"Is there sickness in this world? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness. All those terrible things - do they exist in this world? "
The student squirms on his feet. "Yes."
"Who created them? "
[No answer]
The professor suddenly shouts at his student. "WHO CREATED THEM? TELL ME, PLEASE!"The professor closes in for the kill and climbs into the Christian's face. In a still small voice: "God created all evil, didn't He, son?"
[No answer]
The student tries to hold the steady, experienced gaze and fails. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace the front of the classroom like an aging panther. The class is mesmerized.
"Tell me," he continues, "How is it that this God is good if He created all evil throughout all time?" The professor swishes his arms around to encompass the wickedness of the world. "All the hatred, the brutality, all the pain, all the torture, all the death and ugliness and all the suffering created by this good God is all over the world, isn't it, young man?"
[No answer]
"Don't you see it all over the place? Huh?" Pause.
"Don't you?" The professor leans into the student's face again and whispers, "Is God good?"
[No answer]
"Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?"
The student's voice betrays him and cracks. "Yes, professor. I do."
The old man shakes his head sadly. "Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you seen Him? "
"No, sir. I've never seen Him."
"Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?"
"No, sir. I have not."
"Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelled your Jesus... in fact, do you have any sensory perception of your God whatsoever?"
[No answer]
"Answer me, please."
"No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't."
"You're AFRAID... you haven't?"
"No, sir."
"Yet you still believe in him?"
"...yes..."
"That takes FAITH!" The professor smiles sagely at the underling. "According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son? Where is your God now?"
[The student doesn't answer]
"Sit down, please."
The Christian sits...Defeated(?).
Another Christian raises his hand. "Professor, may I address the class?"
The professor turns and smiles. "Ah, another Christian in the vanguard! Come, come, young man. Speak some proper wisdom to the gathering."
The Christian looks around the room. "Some interesting points you are making, sir. Now I've got a question for you if that's okay. Is there such thing as heat?"
"Yes," the professor replies, frowning. "There's heat."
"Is there such a thing as cold?"
"Yes, son, there's cold too."
"No, sir, there isn't."
The professor's grin freezes.
The room suddenly goes very cold. The second Christian continues. "You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat but we don't have anything called 'cold'.
We can hit 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold, otherwise we would be able to go colder than 458 -- You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat.
We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy.
Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it." Silence. A pin drops somewhere in the classroom.
"Is there such a thing as darkness, professor?" "That's a dumb question, son. What is night if it isn't darkness? What are you getting at...?"
"So you say there is such a thing as darkness?"
"Yes..."
"You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something, it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, Darkness isn't.
If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker and give me a jar of it. Can you...give me a jar of darker darkness, professor?"
Despite himself, the professor smiles at the young effrontery before him. This will indeed be a good semester. "Would you mind telling us what your point is, young man?"
"Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with and so your conclusion must be in error...."
The professor goes toxic. "Flawed...? How dare you...!""
"Sir, may I explain what I mean?"
The class is all ears.
"Explain... oh, explain..." The professor makes an admirable effort to regain control. Suddenly he is affability itself. He waves his hand to silence the class, for the student to continue.
"You are working on the premise of duality," the Christian explains; "that for example there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure.
Sir, science cannot even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism but has never seen, much less fully understood them. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.
Death is not the opposite of life, merely the absence of it."
The young man holds up a newspaper he takes from the desk of a neighbor who has been reading it. "Here is one of the most disgusting tabloids you can buy, professor. Is there such a thing as immorality?"
"Of course there is, now look..."
"Wrong again, sir. You see, immorality is merely the absence of morality. Is there such thing as injustice? No. Injustice is the absence of justice. Is there such a thing as evil?" The Christian pauses.
"Isn't evil the absence of good?"
The professor's face has turned an alarming color. He is so angry he is temporarily speechless.
The Christian continues. "If there is evil in the world, professor, and we all agree there is, then God, if he exists, must be accomplishing a work through the agency of evil. What is that work God is accomplishing?
The Bible tells us it is to see if each one of us will, of our own free will, choose good over evil."
The professor bridles. "As a philosophical scientist, I don't view this matter as having anything to do with any choice; as a realist, I absolutely do not recognize the concept of God or any other theological factor as being part of the world equation because God is not observable."
"I would have thought that the absence of God's moral code in this world is probably one of the most observable phenomena going," the Christian replies. "Newspapers make billions of dollars reporting it every week! Tell me, professor. Do you believethat we have evolved from a monkey?"
"If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do."
"Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?" The professor makes a sucking sound with his teeth and gives his student a silent, stony stare.
"Professor. All previous attempts to explain how the process works have failed. Since no-one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a priest?"
"I'll overlook your impudence in the light of our philosophical discussion. Now, have you quite finished?" the professor hisses.
"So you don't accept God's moral code to do what is righteous?"
"I believe in what is - that's observable science!"
"Ahh! SCIENCE!" the student's face splits into a grin. "Sir, you rightly state that science is the study of observed phenomena. What you call "science" too is a premise which is flawed..."
"SCIENCE IS FLAWED..?" the professor splutters. The class is in uproar.
The Christian remains standing until the commotion has subsided. "To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, may I give you an example of what I mean?" The professor wisely keeps silent.
The Christian looks around the room.*Sir, the basic law of physics says matter can neither be created nor destroyed, and yet you in spite of that believe in "spontaneous generation" of the entire physical universe! Spontaneous generation of vermin was disproved centuries ago.
Talk about straining out the gnat and swallowing the camel! Sir, biogenesis is "observable science" as you say--life has only been observed to come from other life of like kind--and yet you apparently still believe that that is exactly what happened--in spite of science--that life somehow came from non-life.
Young man, the professor began tersely, I believe that science will eventually....
"That science will eventually prove that matter can be created, that life can come from non-life" interrupted the young Christian? Sir, that's not science--that's Faith! What you believe is the exact opposite of "observable science"!Your faith is in what you are calling "science", my faith is in God who created "science".
Make no mistake, Professor, we're both operating from faith."
There follows a long pause as the Professor stares the young Christian down without a word.
"Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's mind?" The class breaks out in laughter. The Christian points towards his elderly, crumbling tutor. "Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's mind... felt the professor's mind, touched or smelled the professor's mind?"
No one appears to have done so. The Christian shakes his head sadly. "It appears no-one here has had any sensory perception of the professor's mind whatsoever. Well, according to the rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol and science, I DECLARE that the professor has no mind." The class is in chaos. The Christian sits... Because that is what a chair is for, and begins filling out a drop slip.
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Interesting story but hardly realistic.
I think a proper philosphy teacher would be a bit more ready for an opposing view rather than just getting agitated.
Also, the Christian's arguments are just as flawed as the philosophers, as Duckio pointed out.
A bit of a militant biblecists (if such a word doesn't exist then it does starting from now!) daydream if you ask me. :-)
By the by, for the record, genetic change has been observed in the form of strains of superbugs, bacteria that have evolved to become resistant to certain drugs.
But then again, no one actually observed one change, or reproduce a changed one, so perhaps God DID create it, while we weren't looking, just so that people would have a reason to pray for good health again! :-)
I think a proper philosphy teacher would be a bit more ready for an opposing view rather than just getting agitated.
Also, the Christian's arguments are just as flawed as the philosophers, as Duckio pointed out.
A bit of a militant biblecists (if such a word doesn't exist then it does starting from now!) daydream if you ask me. :-)
By the by, for the record, genetic change has been observed in the form of strains of superbugs, bacteria that have evolved to become resistant to certain drugs.
But then again, no one actually observed one change, or reproduce a changed one, so perhaps God DID create it, while we weren't looking, just so that people would have a reason to pray for good health again! :-)
Hey FF. You dont accept that different skin colours can come from evolved animals yet you must think that they can all come from Adam and Eve.
It would work in the same way. As Light said, you obviously dont understand genetics.
It would work in the same way. As Light said, you obviously dont understand genetics.
Forest Fan wrote:
>
> Hmmm... still trying to work that one out. I'm white, my parents are
> white, my grandparents are white and as far as I know every relative
> of my family has been white. I have some black friends, their parents
> are black, their grandparents are black and as far as they are
> concerned every relative in their family has been black...
Ah well, I see; who am I to compare Mendel's meticulously researched conclusions with your simplistic "I haven't seen it with my own two eyes, I don't believe it anyway, so I'm going to do my best to look for anything that might support my ignorance and ignore anything that obliterates them" approach. I mean, his research only laid the foundations for modern genetics, whereas you're a self important 14 year old with a messianic complex and an inability to grasp anything other than your own withered pud that you've scabbed raw by thrashing out your sinfulness with the aid of net porn. I can see why you think we should all accept your opinion...
Do you even know about dominant and reticent genes Mary? Have you actually looked at any of Mendel's studies? Or are you not reading them as they will prove your egocentric cack entirely wrong?
Oh, and you have a number of other questions to answer.
>
> Hmmm... still trying to work that one out. I'm white, my parents are
> white, my grandparents are white and as far as I know every relative
> of my family has been white. I have some black friends, their parents
> are black, their grandparents are black and as far as they are
> concerned every relative in their family has been black...
Ah well, I see; who am I to compare Mendel's meticulously researched conclusions with your simplistic "I haven't seen it with my own two eyes, I don't believe it anyway, so I'm going to do my best to look for anything that might support my ignorance and ignore anything that obliterates them" approach. I mean, his research only laid the foundations for modern genetics, whereas you're a self important 14 year old with a messianic complex and an inability to grasp anything other than your own withered pud that you've scabbed raw by thrashing out your sinfulness with the aid of net porn. I can see why you think we should all accept your opinion...
Do you even know about dominant and reticent genes Mary? Have you actually looked at any of Mendel's studies? Or are you not reading them as they will prove your egocentric cack entirely wrong?
Oh, and you have a number of other questions to answer.
Light wrote:
> A monk called Mendel solved this one in the 18th century; read up on
> his work on growing peas and you'll see that your incredibly
> simplistic argument about "black and white people will always
> have children of the same colour" is scientifically, logically,
> and in actuality, utter nonsense.
Hmmm... still trying to work that one out. I'm white, my parents are white, my grandparents are white and as far as I know every relative of my family has been white. I have some black friends, their parents are black, their grandparents are black and as far as they are concerned every relative in their family has been black...
> A monk called Mendel solved this one in the 18th century; read up on
> his work on growing peas and you'll see that your incredibly
> simplistic argument about "black and white people will always
> have children of the same colour" is scientifically, logically,
> and in actuality, utter nonsense.
Hmmm... still trying to work that one out. I'm white, my parents are white, my grandparents are white and as far as I know every relative of my family has been white. I have some black friends, their parents are black, their grandparents are black and as far as they are concerned every relative in their family has been black...
Forest Fan wrote:
> Two thirds of my messages go ignored as it is.
Bwah ha ha haaaaa! A hypocrite too eh?
Why don't you answer all my questions Mary? After all, you know I won't ignore the responses...
> Two thirds of my messages go ignored as it is.
Bwah ha ha haaaaa! A hypocrite too eh?
Why don't you answer all my questions Mary? After all, you know I won't ignore the responses...
Forest Fan wrote:
> i.e. a human (could be white or black) was the first 'evolved' human
> ever. Okay?
>
> How is this human (be it white or black) ever going to have children
> that are a different colour.
>
> A black couple will never have white children and vice versa!
> Ludicrosy!
>
> Oh and before you say it, Albino is a condition of NO skin pigments,
> so it wouldn't be applicable here.
You really don't understand genetics at all do you?
A monk called Mendel solved this one in the 18th century; read up on his work on growing peas and you'll see that your incredibly simplistic argument about "black and white people will always have children of the same colour" is scientifically, logically, and in actuality, utter nonsense.
So Mary, since you're back here to talk about religion and science, would you care to answer the numerous questions I've asked you? Or will you keep cowering from them thus making it clear to everyone what a cowardly little cretin you are?
> i.e. a human (could be white or black) was the first 'evolved' human
> ever. Okay?
>
> How is this human (be it white or black) ever going to have children
> that are a different colour.
>
> A black couple will never have white children and vice versa!
> Ludicrosy!
>
> Oh and before you say it, Albino is a condition of NO skin pigments,
> so it wouldn't be applicable here.
You really don't understand genetics at all do you?
A monk called Mendel solved this one in the 18th century; read up on his work on growing peas and you'll see that your incredibly simplistic argument about "black and white people will always have children of the same colour" is scientifically, logically, and in actuality, utter nonsense.
So Mary, since you're back here to talk about religion and science, would you care to answer the numerous questions I've asked you? Or will you keep cowering from them thus making it clear to everyone what a cowardly little cretin you are?
k, not reading the previous pages, and not following the last post. in the story of the original post, darkness is the abscence of light etc etc. surely, on this grounds, light is the abscence of darkness. or evil is the abscence of good etc.
Mumbai Duck wrote:
> The guy's blind to reason, and hides from discussions he sees he
> can't win.
Heh, mixing my metaphores like that I'll be next on the list of nobtards :^D
> The guy's blind to reason, and hides from discussions he sees he
> can't win.
Heh, mixing my metaphores like that I'll be next on the list of nobtards :^D
Guys, don't sweat it.
I don't know for sure, it can be hard to accurately guage emotions from these posts, but it sounds like a few of you are getting a little worked up.
The guy's blind to reason, and hides from discussions he sees he can't win.
He's probably not even a genuine christian anyway, the way he plays for a reaction.
But who cares, really? It only affects you if you let him draw you in. If you see him for what he is, there's no reason to be drawn in.
I don't know for sure, it can be hard to accurately guage emotions from these posts, but it sounds like a few of you are getting a little worked up.
The guy's blind to reason, and hides from discussions he sees he can't win.
He's probably not even a genuine christian anyway, the way he plays for a reaction.
But who cares, really? It only affects you if you let him draw you in. If you see him for what he is, there's no reason to be drawn in.
Not a truer word spoken money_man
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