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I'll put this up while i'm in the right frame of mind to post it, your views are wlecome.
FOUR NOBLE TRUTHS
The Four Noble Truths represent the core of
the teachings of the Buddha, and are as follows:
The First Noble Truth
Unsatisfactoriness and suffering exist and
are universally experienced.
The Second Noble Truth
Desire and attachment are the causes of
unsatisfactoriness and suffering.
The Third Noble Truth
There is an end to
unsatisfactoriness and suffering.
The Fourth Noble Truth
The end can be attained by
journeying on the Noble Eightfold Path.
NOBLE EIGHTFOLD PATH
Right Understanding
Right Thinking
Right Speech
Right Action
Right Livelihood
Right Effort
Right Mindfulness
Right Concentration
1. Right View
See things as they truly are without delusions or distortions
for all things change. Develop wisdom by knowing how things
work, knowing oneself and others.
2. Right Intention
Wholehearted resolution and dedication to overcoming the
dislocation of self-centered craving through the development
of loving kindness, empathy and compassion.
3. Right Speech
Abstinence from lies and deceptions, backbiting, idle
babble and abusive speech. Cultivate honesty and
truthfulness; practice speech that is kind and benevolent.
Let your words reflect your desire to help, not harm others.
4.Right Action
Practice self-less conduct that reflects the highest
statement of the life you want to live. Express conduct
that is peaceful, honest and pure showing compassion
for all beings.
5. Right Livelihood
Avoidance of work that causes suffering to others or that
makes a decent, virtuous life impossible. Do not engage
in any occupation that opposes or distracts one from the
path. Love and serve our world through your work.
6. Right Effort
Seek to make the balance between the exertion of following
the spiritual path and a moderate life that is not over-zealous.
Work to develop more wholesome mind states, while gently
striving to go deeper and live more fully.
7. Right Mindfulness
Through constant vigilance in thought, speech and action
seek to rid the mind of self-centered thoughts that separate
and replace them with those that bind all beings together.
Be aware of your thoughts, emotions, body and world as they
exist in the present moment. Your thoughts create your reality.
8. Right Concentration
Through the application of meditation and mental discipline seek
to extinguish the last flame of grasping consciousness and develop
an emptiness that has room to embrace and love all things.
FOUR NOBLE TRUTHS
The Four Noble Truths represent the core of
the teachings of the Buddha, and are as follows:
The First Noble Truth
Unsatisfactoriness and suffering exist and
are universally experienced.
The Second Noble Truth
Desire and attachment are the causes of
unsatisfactoriness and suffering.
The Third Noble Truth
There is an end to
unsatisfactoriness and suffering.
The Fourth Noble Truth
The end can be attained by
journeying on the Noble Eightfold Path.
NOBLE EIGHTFOLD PATH
Right Understanding
Right Thinking
Right Speech
Right Action
Right Livelihood
Right Effort
Right Mindfulness
Right Concentration
1. Right View
See things as they truly are without delusions or distortions
for all things change. Develop wisdom by knowing how things
work, knowing oneself and others.
2. Right Intention
Wholehearted resolution and dedication to overcoming the
dislocation of self-centered craving through the development
of loving kindness, empathy and compassion.
3. Right Speech
Abstinence from lies and deceptions, backbiting, idle
babble and abusive speech. Cultivate honesty and
truthfulness; practice speech that is kind and benevolent.
Let your words reflect your desire to help, not harm others.
4.Right Action
Practice self-less conduct that reflects the highest
statement of the life you want to live. Express conduct
that is peaceful, honest and pure showing compassion
for all beings.
5. Right Livelihood
Avoidance of work that causes suffering to others or that
makes a decent, virtuous life impossible. Do not engage
in any occupation that opposes or distracts one from the
path. Love and serve our world through your work.
6. Right Effort
Seek to make the balance between the exertion of following
the spiritual path and a moderate life that is not over-zealous.
Work to develop more wholesome mind states, while gently
striving to go deeper and live more fully.
7. Right Mindfulness
Through constant vigilance in thought, speech and action
seek to rid the mind of self-centered thoughts that separate
and replace them with those that bind all beings together.
Be aware of your thoughts, emotions, body and world as they
exist in the present moment. Your thoughts create your reality.
8. Right Concentration
Through the application of meditation and mental discipline seek
to extinguish the last flame of grasping consciousness and develop
an emptiness that has room to embrace and love all things.
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Forest Fan wrote:
> I don't have a problem with Christian Aid - but the Biblical view is
> to constantly give a tithe (tenth) away and do that secretly, not
> openly - so I won't tell you when I give money away.
I'm not saying anything about tithing, I'm simply stating that its a large event in the Christian year that you've failed to mention. "Being a Christian" and helping others and all.
> I don't have a problem with Christian Aid - but the Biblical view is
> to constantly give a tithe (tenth) away and do that secretly, not
> openly - so I won't tell you when I give money away.
I'm not saying anything about tithing, I'm simply stating that its a large event in the Christian year that you've failed to mention. "Being a Christian" and helping others and all.
Pandaemonium wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Loads of stuff regarding Christianity.
>
> Buddhists follow Buddhism. Somehow I doubt Christian beliefs weigh
> heavily on their minds.
>
> Also, since you are christian, I find it quite strange that
> you haven't mentioned that it's Christian Aid week this week.
I don't have a problem with Christian Aid - but the Biblical view is to constantly give a tithe (tenth) away and do that secretly, not openly - so I won't tell you when I give money away. Children in Need (despite being a very good organisation - which I don't argue with), is just the kind of thing Christians are warned off doing, making themselves favoured by men, when good deeds should be seen by God only.
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Loads of stuff regarding Christianity.
>
> Buddhists follow Buddhism. Somehow I doubt Christian beliefs weigh
> heavily on their minds.
>
> Also, since you are christian, I find it quite strange that
> you haven't mentioned that it's Christian Aid week this week.
I don't have a problem with Christian Aid - but the Biblical view is to constantly give a tithe (tenth) away and do that secretly, not openly - so I won't tell you when I give money away. Children in Need (despite being a very good organisation - which I don't argue with), is just the kind of thing Christians are warned off doing, making themselves favoured by men, when good deeds should be seen by God only.
Forest Fan wrote:
> Loads of stuff regarding Christianity.
Buddhists follow Buddhism. Somehow I doubt Christian beliefs weigh heavily on their minds.
Also, since you are christian, I find it quite strange that you haven't mentioned that it's Christian Aid week this week.
> Loads of stuff regarding Christianity.
Buddhists follow Buddhism. Somehow I doubt Christian beliefs weigh heavily on their minds.
Also, since you are christian, I find it quite strange that you haven't mentioned that it's Christian Aid week this week.
Ms NY wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> So it all stems from man then?
>
> But man sins, man lies, man makes mistakes. How can the teachings of
> mere man be right?
>
> Doesn't Buddism try to teach 'goodness' though?
Buddhism does try to achieve something, I believe its something like trying to be more like Buddha...
> Forest Fan wrote:
> So it all stems from man then?
>
> But man sins, man lies, man makes mistakes. How can the teachings of
> mere man be right?
>
> Doesn't Buddism try to teach 'goodness' though?
Buddhism does try to achieve something, I believe its something like trying to be more like Buddha...
Strafio wrote:
> Ok Forest, listen here and listen good! :-)
I'll listen...
>
> Firstly, no rules, only guidelines. Suggestions. Buddha specifically
> said so.
> There's no punishment for not following these "rules", but
> they can make your life better for you, if that's what you want. :-)
How do you know that his teachings make your life better?
>
> Secondly, it could be cast as a philosophy or a religion.
> It's not really an important detail.
> You could call it a religion because masses of people follow it
> religiously. But the deep core of this religion is based around
> philosophy rather than faith. Infact, it could sit comfortably
> alongside any faith.
>
> INCLUDING YOURS!
Buddhism has no part in what I believe, because its teachings come from fallible man. All the ways to live a Godly life are outlined in the Bible! Jesus is the only way and our only Spiritual Father.
"You shall have no other gods before Me." Exodus 20:3
>
> It would be good for you, you know.
> It helps you think with an unbiased clarity of mind, and helps you
> put aside prejudices to see things for what they really are.
> You could see it as an extension of your faith rather than a
> conversion.
Don't worry, I'm not going to become Buddhist!
Question. How does Buddhism help you when you meet before our Creator; the Lord Jesus?
>
>
> I mean, Jesus was practically Buddhist in the way he acted. Some
> theorists have suggested that the time Jesus spent in the wilderness
> was spent finding enlightenment, and seeing as the three wise men at
> his birth were supposedly oriental (if Christmas carols are anything
> to go by! :D)...
Jesus didn't come to bring world peace and He didn't. He met a bloody death on the cross and Paul, John The Baptist amongst others were brutally murdered for their faith in Christ Jesus.
The Meaning of Discipleship
24 "(38) A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master.
25 "It is enough for the disciple that he become like his teacher, and the slave like his master. (39) If they have called the head of the house (40) Beelzebul, how much more will they malign the members of his household!
26 "Therefore do not (41) fear them, (42) for there is nothing concealed that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known.
27 "(43) What I tell you in the darkness, speak in the light; and what you hear whispered in your ear, proclaim (44) upon the housetops.
28 "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather (45) fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in (46) hell.
29 "(47) Are not two sparrows sold for a [1] cent? And yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father.
30 "But (48) the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
31 "So do not fear; (49) you are more valuable than many sparrows.
32 "Therefore (50) everyone who confesses Me before men, I will also confess him before My Father who is in heaven.
33 "But (51) whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.
34 "(52) Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
35 "For I came to (53) SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW;
36 and (54) A MAN'S ENEMIES WILL BE THE MEMBERS OF HIS HOUSEHOLD.
37 "(55) He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
38 "And (56) he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.
39 "(57) He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." Matthew 10:24-39
> Infact, the way I see it, the gospel gives us a record of how Jesus
> acted while Buddhism is a guide to acting just like him.
Unlike others, I'm not going to purposely mock your religion/faith/philosohpy - because I believe that gets us nowhere. However I would like to ask, as you don't seem to mind Jesus - do you believe He is the Son of God?
>
>
>
> Ofcourse, Buddhism as a religion has been through it's fair share of
> corruption seemingly. Didn't Edgy post something about a Buddhist's
> vision of hell a few months back?
Not sure. So what do you believe about Hell?
> Ok Forest, listen here and listen good! :-)
I'll listen...
>
> Firstly, no rules, only guidelines. Suggestions. Buddha specifically
> said so.
> There's no punishment for not following these "rules", but
> they can make your life better for you, if that's what you want. :-)
How do you know that his teachings make your life better?
>
> Secondly, it could be cast as a philosophy or a religion.
> It's not really an important detail.
> You could call it a religion because masses of people follow it
> religiously. But the deep core of this religion is based around
> philosophy rather than faith. Infact, it could sit comfortably
> alongside any faith.
>
> INCLUDING YOURS!
Buddhism has no part in what I believe, because its teachings come from fallible man. All the ways to live a Godly life are outlined in the Bible! Jesus is the only way and our only Spiritual Father.
"You shall have no other gods before Me." Exodus 20:3
>
> It would be good for you, you know.
> It helps you think with an unbiased clarity of mind, and helps you
> put aside prejudices to see things for what they really are.
> You could see it as an extension of your faith rather than a
> conversion.
Don't worry, I'm not going to become Buddhist!
Question. How does Buddhism help you when you meet before our Creator; the Lord Jesus?
>
>
> I mean, Jesus was practically Buddhist in the way he acted. Some
> theorists have suggested that the time Jesus spent in the wilderness
> was spent finding enlightenment, and seeing as the three wise men at
> his birth were supposedly oriental (if Christmas carols are anything
> to go by! :D)...
Jesus didn't come to bring world peace and He didn't. He met a bloody death on the cross and Paul, John The Baptist amongst others were brutally murdered for their faith in Christ Jesus.
The Meaning of Discipleship
24 "(38) A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master.
25 "It is enough for the disciple that he become like his teacher, and the slave like his master. (39) If they have called the head of the house (40) Beelzebul, how much more will they malign the members of his household!
26 "Therefore do not (41) fear them, (42) for there is nothing concealed that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known.
27 "(43) What I tell you in the darkness, speak in the light; and what you hear whispered in your ear, proclaim (44) upon the housetops.
28 "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather (45) fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in (46) hell.
29 "(47) Are not two sparrows sold for a [1] cent? And yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father.
30 "But (48) the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
31 "So do not fear; (49) you are more valuable than many sparrows.
32 "Therefore (50) everyone who confesses Me before men, I will also confess him before My Father who is in heaven.
33 "But (51) whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.
34 "(52) Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
35 "For I came to (53) SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW;
36 and (54) A MAN'S ENEMIES WILL BE THE MEMBERS OF HIS HOUSEHOLD.
37 "(55) He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
38 "And (56) he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.
39 "(57) He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." Matthew 10:24-39
> Infact, the way I see it, the gospel gives us a record of how Jesus
> acted while Buddhism is a guide to acting just like him.
Unlike others, I'm not going to purposely mock your religion/faith/philosohpy - because I believe that gets us nowhere. However I would like to ask, as you don't seem to mind Jesus - do you believe He is the Son of God?
>
>
>
> Ofcourse, Buddhism as a religion has been through it's fair share of
> corruption seemingly. Didn't Edgy post something about a Buddhist's
> vision of hell a few months back?
Not sure. So what do you believe about Hell?
Ms NY wrote:
> Doesn't Buddism try to teach 'goodness' though?
"try" is the operative word. It's a method of tying to better yourself, and be at one with the world around you, is what I gather.
> Doesn't Buddism try to teach 'goodness' though?
"try" is the operative word. It's a method of tying to better yourself, and be at one with the world around you, is what I gather.
Forest Fan wrote:
> So it all stems from man then?
>
> But man sins, man lies, man makes mistakes. How can the teachings of
> mere man be right?
Doesn't Buddism try to teach 'goodness' though?
> So it all stems from man then?
>
> But man sins, man lies, man makes mistakes. How can the teachings of
> mere man be right?
Doesn't Buddism try to teach 'goodness' though?
Cyclone wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> >On what authority was the religion of Buddhism started?
>
> Round and round. On what authority was the religion of 'Hebrew
> Christianity' started? There you go, you have the same puzzled
> question as all of us! Just replace one word!
Oh dear. Cyclone, what background am I? Hebrew. What faith am I? Christian. Hebrew + Christian = Hebrew Christian
> Forest Fan wrote:
> >On what authority was the religion of Buddhism started?
>
> Round and round. On what authority was the religion of 'Hebrew
> Christianity' started? There you go, you have the same puzzled
> question as all of us! Just replace one word!
Oh dear. Cyclone, what background am I? Hebrew. What faith am I? Christian. Hebrew + Christian = Hebrew Christian
Flockhart wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> On what authority was the religion of Buddhism started?
>
> There isn't one, just a man saying that he believes this is the way
> to live.
So it all stems from man then?
But man sins, man lies, man makes mistakes. How can the teachings of mere man be right?
> Forest Fan wrote:
> On what authority was the religion of Buddhism started?
>
> There isn't one, just a man saying that he believes this is the way
> to live.
So it all stems from man then?
But man sins, man lies, man makes mistakes. How can the teachings of mere man be right?
Flockhart wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> On what authority was the religion of Buddhism started?
>
> There isn't one, just a man saying that he believes this is the way
> to live.
So it all stems from man then?
But man sins, man lies, man makes mistakes. How can the teachings of mere man be right?
> Forest Fan wrote:
> On what authority was the religion of Buddhism started?
>
> There isn't one, just a man saying that he believes this is the way
> to live.
So it all stems from man then?
But man sins, man lies, man makes mistakes. How can the teachings of mere man be right?
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