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Very interesting story I saw on BBC last night, I'll post their story from the website here.
Compulsory ID card scheme on course for Parliament
The controversial plan is set for the next session of Parliament, introducing the possibility of mandatory identity cards containing biometric information and tied to a central database
Compulsory biometric ID cards and a central database of all UK citizens could be created by 2010 under controversial legislation unveiled by the government in the Queen's speech on Wednesday.
As predicted, Home Secretary David Blunkett fought off opposition from some cabinet ministers opposed to the ID card scheme to get the draft "Identity Cards Bill" tabled for the next session of Parliament.
Underpinning the ID cards will be a central database storing information on all UK citizens, which can be used by public agencies including the police and NHS to check someone's identity.
The ID card will contain a piece of biometric information, most likely an iris or fingerprint scan, and will be combined with passports and driving licences, which will have a biometric element by 2008, according to the draft Bill.
The compulsory nature of the card, which will cost £35, will be decided in two phases. The government will have the power to mandate that an ID card is produced to use certain public services -- an element retained from Blunkett's original "entitlement" card plans.
More worrying for privacy campaigners is that the government will have the power after five years to make the carrying or production of ID cards compulsory.
As outlined previously by the Home Office it is estimated the basic system will cost £180m to set-up, finally rising to some £3bn.
David Blunkett said in a statement that ID cards will help "tackle the challenges of the 21st century" including terrorism, organised crime and illegal immigration.
"The draft Identity Cards Bill is about taking the difficult decisions now needed to prepare Britain for the future. It will set out our plans for an incremental approach to the introduction of a compulsory national identity cards scheme," he said.
Security company Ubizen, which worked on Belgium's electronic ID card scheme, said a biometric card will not tackle terrorism and crime. Bart Vansevenant, director of security strategy at Ubizen, argued the card could not stop international terrorists, who would probably enter the UK on a foreign passport anyway.
"You will not solve terrorism or immigration by introducing biometrics to a card. Why put biometrics on an ID card? It costs you a hell of a lot of money and there are equipment, support and administration problems," he said.
Vansevenant also questioned the need for a central database, as police and border control officers would be able to verify the biometric on the card to the person carrying it using an eye or fingerprint scanner. He said a central database will be a tempting target for hackers and that there should at best only be the need for a "blacklist" database of criminals and suspects to check biometric scans against.
Source: [URL]http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/legal/0,39020651,39118140,00.htm[/URL]
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Opinions? Mine is, that this is paving the way for the Mark of the Beast, the fact that the Goverment want to make it compulsory by the end of the decade, is just the same logic as everyone being forced to take the Mark.
This ISN'T the Mark of the Beast, but this is tagging people, which will be similar to the Mark of the Beast.
Your thoughts?
Compulsory ID card scheme on course for Parliament
The controversial plan is set for the next session of Parliament, introducing the possibility of mandatory identity cards containing biometric information and tied to a central database
Compulsory biometric ID cards and a central database of all UK citizens could be created by 2010 under controversial legislation unveiled by the government in the Queen's speech on Wednesday.
As predicted, Home Secretary David Blunkett fought off opposition from some cabinet ministers opposed to the ID card scheme to get the draft "Identity Cards Bill" tabled for the next session of Parliament.
Underpinning the ID cards will be a central database storing information on all UK citizens, which can be used by public agencies including the police and NHS to check someone's identity.
The ID card will contain a piece of biometric information, most likely an iris or fingerprint scan, and will be combined with passports and driving licences, which will have a biometric element by 2008, according to the draft Bill.
The compulsory nature of the card, which will cost £35, will be decided in two phases. The government will have the power to mandate that an ID card is produced to use certain public services -- an element retained from Blunkett's original "entitlement" card plans.
More worrying for privacy campaigners is that the government will have the power after five years to make the carrying or production of ID cards compulsory.
As outlined previously by the Home Office it is estimated the basic system will cost £180m to set-up, finally rising to some £3bn.
David Blunkett said in a statement that ID cards will help "tackle the challenges of the 21st century" including terrorism, organised crime and illegal immigration.
"The draft Identity Cards Bill is about taking the difficult decisions now needed to prepare Britain for the future. It will set out our plans for an incremental approach to the introduction of a compulsory national identity cards scheme," he said.
Security company Ubizen, which worked on Belgium's electronic ID card scheme, said a biometric card will not tackle terrorism and crime. Bart Vansevenant, director of security strategy at Ubizen, argued the card could not stop international terrorists, who would probably enter the UK on a foreign passport anyway.
"You will not solve terrorism or immigration by introducing biometrics to a card. Why put biometrics on an ID card? It costs you a hell of a lot of money and there are equipment, support and administration problems," he said.
Vansevenant also questioned the need for a central database, as police and border control officers would be able to verify the biometric on the card to the person carrying it using an eye or fingerprint scanner. He said a central database will be a tempting target for hackers and that there should at best only be the need for a "blacklist" database of criminals and suspects to check biometric scans against.
Source: [URL]http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/legal/0,39020651,39118140,00.htm[/URL]
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Opinions? Mine is, that this is paving the way for the Mark of the Beast, the fact that the Goverment want to make it compulsory by the end of the decade, is just the same logic as everyone being forced to take the Mark.
This ISN'T the Mark of the Beast, but this is tagging people, which will be similar to the Mark of the Beast.
Your thoughts?
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Forest Fan wrote:
> It will be implanted in the forehead and right hand because
> independent studies by the makers of the chips have found the most
> consistent temperature, best suited for the chip is either the top
> part of the forehead or right hand.
[URL]http://ukchatforums.reserve.co.uk/display_messages.php?threadid=98238&forumid=423[/URL]
I've already owned you numerous times on this point you're making. They are simply not good locations for chip implanting.
> It will be implanted in the forehead and right hand because
> independent studies by the makers of the chips have found the most
> consistent temperature, best suited for the chip is either the top
> part of the forehead or right hand.
[URL]http://ukchatforums.reserve.co.uk/display_messages.php?threadid=98238&forumid=423[/URL]
I've already owned you numerous times on this point you're making. They are simply not good locations for chip implanting.
Forest Fan wrote:
> But whatever could these ID cards lead to? By the way I don't even
> partiularly mind ID cards - just what it will lead to.
You're nothing but a [URL]http://www.columbian.com/outerlimits/troll.jpg[/URL]
> But whatever could these ID cards lead to? By the way I don't even
> partiularly mind ID cards - just what it will lead to.
You're nothing but a [URL]http://www.columbian.com/outerlimits/troll.jpg[/URL]
But whatever could these ID cards lead to? By the way I don't even partiularly mind ID cards - just what it will lead to.
Then if the majority of the country already wants the cards, what's the point of protesting (not that I'm not going to). Not everyone is as stupid as you, FF, so they've already weighed up the pros and cons and decided.
Edgy wrote:
> No - for the first three years they will be entirely voluntary - only
> then after seeing if they help at all, will they consider a vote.
>
> That's right...a vote!
>
> So there wont be any enforcement.
But the vote could result in the cards becoming compulsory. That is the point of the vote.
> No - for the first three years they will be entirely voluntary - only
> then after seeing if they help at all, will they consider a vote.
>
> That's right...a vote!
>
> So there wont be any enforcement.
But the vote could result in the cards becoming compulsory. That is the point of the vote.
No - for the first three years they will be entirely voluntary - only then after seeing if they help at all, will they consider a vote.
That's right...a vote!
So there wont be any enforcement.
That's right...a vote!
So there wont be any enforcement.
Edgy wrote:
> They will help - they wont completely prevent it, but they'll help.
>
> And that is providing that everyone cooperates.
Yeh, well they want to enforce them.
> They will help - they wont completely prevent it, but they'll help.
>
> And that is providing that everyone cooperates.
Yeh, well they want to enforce them.
Forest Fan wrote:
> Er... my tags have all been original.
*sigh*
> Er... my tags have all been original.
*sigh*
They will help - they wont completely prevent it, but they'll help.
And that is providing that everyone cooperates.
And that is providing that everyone cooperates.
This topic was not set up to purely debate the Mark of the Beast - I'm interested to see what everyone thinks of ID Cards and whether they will help fight terriosm.
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