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Very interesting story I saw on BBC last night, I'll post their story from the website here.
Compulsory ID card scheme on course for Parliament
The controversial plan is set for the next session of Parliament, introducing the possibility of mandatory identity cards containing biometric information and tied to a central database
Compulsory biometric ID cards and a central database of all UK citizens could be created by 2010 under controversial legislation unveiled by the government in the Queen's speech on Wednesday.
As predicted, Home Secretary David Blunkett fought off opposition from some cabinet ministers opposed to the ID card scheme to get the draft "Identity Cards Bill" tabled for the next session of Parliament.
Underpinning the ID cards will be a central database storing information on all UK citizens, which can be used by public agencies including the police and NHS to check someone's identity.
The ID card will contain a piece of biometric information, most likely an iris or fingerprint scan, and will be combined with passports and driving licences, which will have a biometric element by 2008, according to the draft Bill.
The compulsory nature of the card, which will cost £35, will be decided in two phases. The government will have the power to mandate that an ID card is produced to use certain public services -- an element retained from Blunkett's original "entitlement" card plans.
More worrying for privacy campaigners is that the government will have the power after five years to make the carrying or production of ID cards compulsory.
As outlined previously by the Home Office it is estimated the basic system will cost £180m to set-up, finally rising to some £3bn.
David Blunkett said in a statement that ID cards will help "tackle the challenges of the 21st century" including terrorism, organised crime and illegal immigration.
"The draft Identity Cards Bill is about taking the difficult decisions now needed to prepare Britain for the future. It will set out our plans for an incremental approach to the introduction of a compulsory national identity cards scheme," he said.
Security company Ubizen, which worked on Belgium's electronic ID card scheme, said a biometric card will not tackle terrorism and crime. Bart Vansevenant, director of security strategy at Ubizen, argued the card could not stop international terrorists, who would probably enter the UK on a foreign passport anyway.
"You will not solve terrorism or immigration by introducing biometrics to a card. Why put biometrics on an ID card? It costs you a hell of a lot of money and there are equipment, support and administration problems," he said.
Vansevenant also questioned the need for a central database, as police and border control officers would be able to verify the biometric on the card to the person carrying it using an eye or fingerprint scanner. He said a central database will be a tempting target for hackers and that there should at best only be the need for a "blacklist" database of criminals and suspects to check biometric scans against.
Source: [URL]http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/legal/0,39020651,39118140,00.htm[/URL]
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Opinions? Mine is, that this is paving the way for the Mark of the Beast, the fact that the Goverment want to make it compulsory by the end of the decade, is just the same logic as everyone being forced to take the Mark.
This ISN'T the Mark of the Beast, but this is tagging people, which will be similar to the Mark of the Beast.
Your thoughts?
Compulsory ID card scheme on course for Parliament
The controversial plan is set for the next session of Parliament, introducing the possibility of mandatory identity cards containing biometric information and tied to a central database
Compulsory biometric ID cards and a central database of all UK citizens could be created by 2010 under controversial legislation unveiled by the government in the Queen's speech on Wednesday.
As predicted, Home Secretary David Blunkett fought off opposition from some cabinet ministers opposed to the ID card scheme to get the draft "Identity Cards Bill" tabled for the next session of Parliament.
Underpinning the ID cards will be a central database storing information on all UK citizens, which can be used by public agencies including the police and NHS to check someone's identity.
The ID card will contain a piece of biometric information, most likely an iris or fingerprint scan, and will be combined with passports and driving licences, which will have a biometric element by 2008, according to the draft Bill.
The compulsory nature of the card, which will cost £35, will be decided in two phases. The government will have the power to mandate that an ID card is produced to use certain public services -- an element retained from Blunkett's original "entitlement" card plans.
More worrying for privacy campaigners is that the government will have the power after five years to make the carrying or production of ID cards compulsory.
As outlined previously by the Home Office it is estimated the basic system will cost £180m to set-up, finally rising to some £3bn.
David Blunkett said in a statement that ID cards will help "tackle the challenges of the 21st century" including terrorism, organised crime and illegal immigration.
"The draft Identity Cards Bill is about taking the difficult decisions now needed to prepare Britain for the future. It will set out our plans for an incremental approach to the introduction of a compulsory national identity cards scheme," he said.
Security company Ubizen, which worked on Belgium's electronic ID card scheme, said a biometric card will not tackle terrorism and crime. Bart Vansevenant, director of security strategy at Ubizen, argued the card could not stop international terrorists, who would probably enter the UK on a foreign passport anyway.
"You will not solve terrorism or immigration by introducing biometrics to a card. Why put biometrics on an ID card? It costs you a hell of a lot of money and there are equipment, support and administration problems," he said.
Vansevenant also questioned the need for a central database, as police and border control officers would be able to verify the biometric on the card to the person carrying it using an eye or fingerprint scanner. He said a central database will be a tempting target for hackers and that there should at best only be the need for a "blacklist" database of criminals and suspects to check biometric scans against.
Source: [URL]http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/legal/0,39020651,39118140,00.htm[/URL]
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Opinions? Mine is, that this is paving the way for the Mark of the Beast, the fact that the Goverment want to make it compulsory by the end of the decade, is just the same logic as everyone being forced to take the Mark.
This ISN'T the Mark of the Beast, but this is tagging people, which will be similar to the Mark of the Beast.
Your thoughts?
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Pandaemonium wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Edgy wrote:
> Forest Fan - why would the chip sit just under the skinline?
>
> Here is some more information I found:
>
> Utter, utter b'lls'it. This Dr. Carl Sanders is a charlatan and a
> fraud, even in Christian circles.
Haven't got another quote?
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Edgy wrote:
> Forest Fan - why would the chip sit just under the skinline?
>
> Here is some more information I found:
>
> Utter, utter b'lls'it. This Dr. Carl Sanders is a charlatan and a
> fraud, even in Christian circles.
Haven't got another quote?
Forest Fan wrote:
> Edgy wrote:
> Forest Fan - why would the chip sit just under the skinline?
>
> Here is some more information I found:
Utter, utter b'lls'it. This Dr. Carl Sanders is a charlatan and a fraud, even in Christian circles.
> Edgy wrote:
> Forest Fan - why would the chip sit just under the skinline?
>
> Here is some more information I found:
Utter, utter b'lls'it. This Dr. Carl Sanders is a charlatan and a fraud, even in Christian circles.
Edgy wrote:
> Forest Fan - why would the chip sit just under the skinline?
Here is some more information I found:
"Right now, there is a computer chip the size of a grain of rice. (1/4 inch long) This computer chip can carry all information on any individual and is self charging. It is charged by the bodies heat, and after planners spent 1.5 million of your tax dollars, they found out that the best places to put this chip would be in the right hand or if that is missing, in the forehead. This chip will be interjected in the hand or forehead in the same way as a shot. There will be 18 digits, your zip code, plus the extra four digits after the dash and your social security number, burned on the chip. These 18 digits will be grouped in three groups of six numbers. (000000 000000 0000000) Dr. Sanders, one of the engineers of this chip (#BT952000--called Emergency Intrusive Identification Locator) commented, "I believe this to be the "Mark of the Beast". Dr. Sanders spends his time traveling and warning people about the coming "New World Order" and the Mark of the Beast."
Source: [URL]http://home.earthlink.net/~gklentprs/warning.html[/URL]
>
> Where's your backup source to show us?
Above and I also have many other sources.
>
> Note: The skin is where most temperature changes occur.
Note: Under the skin is where the least temperature change occurs.
> Forest Fan - why would the chip sit just under the skinline?
Here is some more information I found:
"Right now, there is a computer chip the size of a grain of rice. (1/4 inch long) This computer chip can carry all information on any individual and is self charging. It is charged by the bodies heat, and after planners spent 1.5 million of your tax dollars, they found out that the best places to put this chip would be in the right hand or if that is missing, in the forehead. This chip will be interjected in the hand or forehead in the same way as a shot. There will be 18 digits, your zip code, plus the extra four digits after the dash and your social security number, burned on the chip. These 18 digits will be grouped in three groups of six numbers. (000000 000000 0000000) Dr. Sanders, one of the engineers of this chip (#BT952000--called Emergency Intrusive Identification Locator) commented, "I believe this to be the "Mark of the Beast". Dr. Sanders spends his time traveling and warning people about the coming "New World Order" and the Mark of the Beast."
Source: [URL]http://home.earthlink.net/~gklentprs/warning.html[/URL]
>
> Where's your backup source to show us?
Above and I also have many other sources.
>
> Note: The skin is where most temperature changes occur.
Note: Under the skin is where the least temperature change occurs.
Forest Fan - why would the chip sit just under the skinline?
Where's your backup source to show us?
Note: The skin is where most temperature changes occur.
Where's your backup source to show us?
Note: The skin is where most temperature changes occur.
Forest Fan wrote:
> Remember the chip would sit just under the skinline.
"Secondly, the uses of biochips in humans and other animals for identification purposes do not involve implanting such chips in the head or the hands. The preferred location for such chips is an out-of-the-way fleshy area that will allow for tissue to bond the chip and lessen the possibility of any irritation or discomfort to the host, making the head and hands (too bony and exposed) non-ideal for such purposes. The recommended implantation location for biochips is between the shoulderblades, towards the back of the upper arm (or on the back between the front legs of a dog or cat)."
> Remember the chip would sit just under the skinline.
"Secondly, the uses of biochips in humans and other animals for identification purposes do not involve implanting such chips in the head or the hands. The preferred location for such chips is an out-of-the-way fleshy area that will allow for tissue to bond the chip and lessen the possibility of any irritation or discomfort to the host, making the head and hands (too bony and exposed) non-ideal for such purposes. The recommended implantation location for biochips is between the shoulderblades, towards the back of the upper arm (or on the back between the front legs of a dog or cat)."
Remember the chip would sit just under the skinline.
The forehead is constantly changing temperature - especially when you are ill.
As for the hands - mine go very pale in the cold - sometimes numb. Then when I go into a warm area, they overcompensate, turn very dark red and feel like they're burning.
They then return to a normal temperature.
Thus, from personal experience, I conclude your 'temperature' theory void.
Note: Temperature shouldn't effect the chips unless you're going for a swim in a lava pit.
As for the hands - mine go very pale in the cold - sometimes numb. Then when I go into a warm area, they overcompensate, turn very dark red and feel like they're burning.
They then return to a normal temperature.
Thus, from personal experience, I conclude your 'temperature' theory void.
Note: Temperature shouldn't effect the chips unless you're going for a swim in a lava pit.
Pandaemonium wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> No, the best. The hand and forehead are the places where the
> temperature is both consistent and suitable.
>
> Re-read the thread, and the links to the information I've posted
> within.
>
> Right hand eh? Common sense. In cold weather do you sometimes have to
> wear gloves?
Ah, but do you remember what we discussed? About the chip actually sitting below the skin line?
In hot weather does your hands and palm get sweaty?
Which actually cools the body down.
> That’s *hardly* a “consistent and suitable temperature” for a high
> tech piece of equipment. A more central bodily location is far more
> less likely to vary.
>
> Anyway, I've rubbished this mark of the beast, and in particular the
> right hand / forehead garbage you have posted numerous times.
>
> Just re-read the thread I posted, and get owned all over again.
I read through it and there was no evidence to disprove the Mark of the Beast, in fact I got a lot of information about the Mark of the Beast out of it. :)
> Forest Fan wrote:
> No, the best. The hand and forehead are the places where the
> temperature is both consistent and suitable.
>
> Re-read the thread, and the links to the information I've posted
> within.
>
> Right hand eh? Common sense. In cold weather do you sometimes have to
> wear gloves?
Ah, but do you remember what we discussed? About the chip actually sitting below the skin line?
In hot weather does your hands and palm get sweaty?
Which actually cools the body down.
> That’s *hardly* a “consistent and suitable temperature” for a high
> tech piece of equipment. A more central bodily location is far more
> less likely to vary.
>
> Anyway, I've rubbished this mark of the beast, and in particular the
> right hand / forehead garbage you have posted numerous times.
>
> Just re-read the thread I posted, and get owned all over again.
I read through it and there was no evidence to disprove the Mark of the Beast, in fact I got a lot of information about the Mark of the Beast out of it. :)
Forest Fan wrote:
> No, the best. The hand and forehead are the places where the
> temperature is both consistent and suitable.
Re-read the thread, and the links to the information I've posted within.
Right hand eh? Common sense. In cold weather do you sometimes have to wear gloves? In hot weather does your hands and palm get sweaty? That’s *hardly* a “consistent and suitable temperature” for a high tech piece of equipment. A more central bodily location is far more less likely to vary.
Anyway, I've rubbished this mark of the beast, and in particular the right hand / forehead garbage you have posted numerous times.
Just re-read the thread I posted, and get owned all over again.
> No, the best. The hand and forehead are the places where the
> temperature is both consistent and suitable.
Re-read the thread, and the links to the information I've posted within.
Right hand eh? Common sense. In cold weather do you sometimes have to wear gloves? In hot weather does your hands and palm get sweaty? That’s *hardly* a “consistent and suitable temperature” for a high tech piece of equipment. A more central bodily location is far more less likely to vary.
Anyway, I've rubbished this mark of the beast, and in particular the right hand / forehead garbage you have posted numerous times.
Just re-read the thread I posted, and get owned all over again.
Pandaemonium wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> It will be implanted in the forehead and right hand because
> independent studies by the makers of the chips have found the most
> consistent temperature, best suited for the chip is either the top
> part of the forehead or right hand.
>
> [URL]http://ukchatforums.reserve.co.uk/display_messages.php?threadid=98238&forumid=423[/URL]
>
> I've already owned you numerous times on this point you're making.
> They are simply not good locations for chip implanting.
No, the best. The hand and forehead are the places where the temperature is both consistent and suitable.
> Forest Fan wrote:
> It will be implanted in the forehead and right hand because
> independent studies by the makers of the chips have found the most
> consistent temperature, best suited for the chip is either the top
> part of the forehead or right hand.
>
> [URL]http://ukchatforums.reserve.co.uk/display_messages.php?threadid=98238&forumid=423[/URL]
>
> I've already owned you numerous times on this point you're making.
> They are simply not good locations for chip implanting.
No, the best. The hand and forehead are the places where the temperature is both consistent and suitable.
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