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Very interesting story I saw on BBC last night, I'll post their story from the website here.
Compulsory ID card scheme on course for Parliament
The controversial plan is set for the next session of Parliament, introducing the possibility of mandatory identity cards containing biometric information and tied to a central database
Compulsory biometric ID cards and a central database of all UK citizens could be created by 2010 under controversial legislation unveiled by the government in the Queen's speech on Wednesday.
As predicted, Home Secretary David Blunkett fought off opposition from some cabinet ministers opposed to the ID card scheme to get the draft "Identity Cards Bill" tabled for the next session of Parliament.
Underpinning the ID cards will be a central database storing information on all UK citizens, which can be used by public agencies including the police and NHS to check someone's identity.
The ID card will contain a piece of biometric information, most likely an iris or fingerprint scan, and will be combined with passports and driving licences, which will have a biometric element by 2008, according to the draft Bill.
The compulsory nature of the card, which will cost £35, will be decided in two phases. The government will have the power to mandate that an ID card is produced to use certain public services -- an element retained from Blunkett's original "entitlement" card plans.
More worrying for privacy campaigners is that the government will have the power after five years to make the carrying or production of ID cards compulsory.
As outlined previously by the Home Office it is estimated the basic system will cost £180m to set-up, finally rising to some £3bn.
David Blunkett said in a statement that ID cards will help "tackle the challenges of the 21st century" including terrorism, organised crime and illegal immigration.
"The draft Identity Cards Bill is about taking the difficult decisions now needed to prepare Britain for the future. It will set out our plans for an incremental approach to the introduction of a compulsory national identity cards scheme," he said.
Security company Ubizen, which worked on Belgium's electronic ID card scheme, said a biometric card will not tackle terrorism and crime. Bart Vansevenant, director of security strategy at Ubizen, argued the card could not stop international terrorists, who would probably enter the UK on a foreign passport anyway.
"You will not solve terrorism or immigration by introducing biometrics to a card. Why put biometrics on an ID card? It costs you a hell of a lot of money and there are equipment, support and administration problems," he said.
Vansevenant also questioned the need for a central database, as police and border control officers would be able to verify the biometric on the card to the person carrying it using an eye or fingerprint scanner. He said a central database will be a tempting target for hackers and that there should at best only be the need for a "blacklist" database of criminals and suspects to check biometric scans against.
Source: [URL]http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/legal/0,39020651,39118140,00.htm[/URL]
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Opinions? Mine is, that this is paving the way for the Mark of the Beast, the fact that the Goverment want to make it compulsory by the end of the decade, is just the same logic as everyone being forced to take the Mark.
This ISN'T the Mark of the Beast, but this is tagging people, which will be similar to the Mark of the Beast.
Your thoughts?
Compulsory ID card scheme on course for Parliament
The controversial plan is set for the next session of Parliament, introducing the possibility of mandatory identity cards containing biometric information and tied to a central database
Compulsory biometric ID cards and a central database of all UK citizens could be created by 2010 under controversial legislation unveiled by the government in the Queen's speech on Wednesday.
As predicted, Home Secretary David Blunkett fought off opposition from some cabinet ministers opposed to the ID card scheme to get the draft "Identity Cards Bill" tabled for the next session of Parliament.
Underpinning the ID cards will be a central database storing information on all UK citizens, which can be used by public agencies including the police and NHS to check someone's identity.
The ID card will contain a piece of biometric information, most likely an iris or fingerprint scan, and will be combined with passports and driving licences, which will have a biometric element by 2008, according to the draft Bill.
The compulsory nature of the card, which will cost £35, will be decided in two phases. The government will have the power to mandate that an ID card is produced to use certain public services -- an element retained from Blunkett's original "entitlement" card plans.
More worrying for privacy campaigners is that the government will have the power after five years to make the carrying or production of ID cards compulsory.
As outlined previously by the Home Office it is estimated the basic system will cost £180m to set-up, finally rising to some £3bn.
David Blunkett said in a statement that ID cards will help "tackle the challenges of the 21st century" including terrorism, organised crime and illegal immigration.
"The draft Identity Cards Bill is about taking the difficult decisions now needed to prepare Britain for the future. It will set out our plans for an incremental approach to the introduction of a compulsory national identity cards scheme," he said.
Security company Ubizen, which worked on Belgium's electronic ID card scheme, said a biometric card will not tackle terrorism and crime. Bart Vansevenant, director of security strategy at Ubizen, argued the card could not stop international terrorists, who would probably enter the UK on a foreign passport anyway.
"You will not solve terrorism or immigration by introducing biometrics to a card. Why put biometrics on an ID card? It costs you a hell of a lot of money and there are equipment, support and administration problems," he said.
Vansevenant also questioned the need for a central database, as police and border control officers would be able to verify the biometric on the card to the person carrying it using an eye or fingerprint scanner. He said a central database will be a tempting target for hackers and that there should at best only be the need for a "blacklist" database of criminals and suspects to check biometric scans against.
Source: [URL]http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/legal/0,39020651,39118140,00.htm[/URL]
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Opinions? Mine is, that this is paving the way for the Mark of the Beast, the fact that the Goverment want to make it compulsory by the end of the decade, is just the same logic as everyone being forced to take the Mark.
This ISN'T the Mark of the Beast, but this is tagging people, which will be similar to the Mark of the Beast.
Your thoughts?
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This imaginary compulsory chip...no. Stop. I'm laughing too much.
So how are you going to avoid getting one of these compulsary ID cards then, FF?
You make me laugh.
Your little world must be so much fun to live in.
You make me laugh.
Your little world must be so much fun to live in.
Geffdof wrote:
> fine detail
Now please, correct me if I'm wrong here.
But I'm fairly sure the Bible doesn't say, "In the future, the British government will issue pieces of plastic with photos on called 'Identity Cards'. It is an idea of David Blunkett. David Blunkett is the devil. Therefore, they are evil. IT WILL BE THE MARK OF THE BEAST!!!!111"
Um... no.
> fine detail
Now please, correct me if I'm wrong here.
But I'm fairly sure the Bible doesn't say, "In the future, the British government will issue pieces of plastic with photos on called 'Identity Cards'. It is an idea of David Blunkett. David Blunkett is the devil. Therefore, they are evil. IT WILL BE THE MARK OF THE BEAST!!!!111"
Um... no.
monkey_man wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> But the next step in security will be to chip everyone.
>
> That will never be made compulsory, stop being so stupid. If they
> try it then I'm off, zip, plane to Barbados working as one of those
> people who dives for pearls.
>
> Honestly though, stop being such a nonce.
The Mark of the Beast will go to every country that buys and sells - Barbados included. In answer to your point about not being compulsory - read the article again. They want to make the ID Cards compulsory, so they'll want to make the chip compulsory too won't they?
> Forest Fan wrote:
> But the next step in security will be to chip everyone.
>
> That will never be made compulsory, stop being so stupid. If they
> try it then I'm off, zip, plane to Barbados working as one of those
> people who dives for pearls.
>
> Honestly though, stop being such a nonce.
The Mark of the Beast will go to every country that buys and sells - Barbados included. In answer to your point about not being compulsory - read the article again. They want to make the ID Cards compulsory, so they'll want to make the chip compulsory too won't they?
Forest Fan wrote:
> But the next step in security will be to chip everyone.
That will never be made compulsory, stop being so stupid. If they try it then I'm off, zip, plane to Barbados working as one of those people who dives for pearls.
Honestly though, stop being such a nonce.
> But the next step in security will be to chip everyone.
That will never be made compulsory, stop being so stupid. If they try it then I'm off, zip, plane to Barbados working as one of those people who dives for pearls.
Honestly though, stop being such a nonce.
Edgy wrote:
> If it is inevitable, why fight it?
>
> Again, have you got anything to hide Forest Fan?
I personally believe the believers in Christ will be taken before the Tribulation, but if it was afterwards - then I would be prepared to die for not taking the Mark of the Beast. This is how serious the matter is.
> If it is inevitable, why fight it?
>
> Again, have you got anything to hide Forest Fan?
I personally believe the believers in Christ will be taken before the Tribulation, but if it was afterwards - then I would be prepared to die for not taking the Mark of the Beast. This is how serious the matter is.
If it is inevitable, why fight it?
Again, have you got anything to hide Forest Fan?
Again, have you got anything to hide Forest Fan?
But the next step in security will be to chip everyone.
Ignoring all the religious bits...
I have no problem with ID cards.
If you've got nothing to hide, what's the problem?
After all, the information is already available - if you've got Credit, have medical records, got a savings account, a mobile phone or even a National Insurance card, then the government pretty much know where you are.
It's just a method to improve security.
I have no problem with ID cards.
If you've got nothing to hide, what's the problem?
After all, the information is already available - if you've got Credit, have medical records, got a savings account, a mobile phone or even a National Insurance card, then the government pretty much know where you are.
It's just a method to improve security.
monkey_man wrote:
> *slaps forehead*
>
> The Bible has been interpreted into predictions of many major events
> over the last few hundred years. And it's all vague nonsense. Stop
> believing in this baloney and start getting a life.
I'll agree with many being vague and, well, b*llox most of the time. But the verses about this is pretty significant. It doesnt mean its true or anything. Im just saying that its cool that it can be predicted down to such fine detail in such a long time. Youll probably think its just coincidence mind.
> *slaps forehead*
>
> The Bible has been interpreted into predictions of many major events
> over the last few hundred years. And it's all vague nonsense. Stop
> believing in this baloney and start getting a life.
I'll agree with many being vague and, well, b*llox most of the time. But the verses about this is pretty significant. It doesnt mean its true or anything. Im just saying that its cool that it can be predicted down to such fine detail in such a long time. Youll probably think its just coincidence mind.
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