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Very interesting story I saw on BBC last night, I'll post their story from the website here.

Compulsory ID card scheme on course for Parliament


The controversial plan is set for the next session of Parliament, introducing the possibility of mandatory identity cards containing biometric information and tied to a central database

Compulsory biometric ID cards and a central database of all UK citizens could be created by 2010 under controversial legislation unveiled by the government in the Queen's speech on Wednesday.

As predicted, Home Secretary David Blunkett fought off opposition from some cabinet ministers opposed to the ID card scheme to get the draft "Identity Cards Bill" tabled for the next session of Parliament.

Underpinning the ID cards will be a central database storing information on all UK citizens, which can be used by public agencies including the police and NHS to check someone's identity.

The ID card will contain a piece of biometric information, most likely an iris or fingerprint scan, and will be combined with passports and driving licences, which will have a biometric element by 2008, according to the draft Bill.

The compulsory nature of the card, which will cost £35, will be decided in two phases. The government will have the power to mandate that an ID card is produced to use certain public services -- an element retained from Blunkett's original "entitlement" card plans.

More worrying for privacy campaigners is that the government will have the power after five years to make the carrying or production of ID cards compulsory.

As outlined previously by the Home Office it is estimated the basic system will cost £180m to set-up, finally rising to some £3bn.

David Blunkett said in a statement that ID cards will help "tackle the challenges of the 21st century" including terrorism, organised crime and illegal immigration.

"The draft Identity Cards Bill is about taking the difficult decisions now needed to prepare Britain for the future. It will set out our plans for an incremental approach to the introduction of a compulsory national identity cards scheme," he said.

Security company Ubizen, which worked on Belgium's electronic ID card scheme, said a biometric card will not tackle terrorism and crime. Bart Vansevenant, director of security strategy at Ubizen, argued the card could not stop international terrorists, who would probably enter the UK on a foreign passport anyway.

"You will not solve terrorism or immigration by introducing biometrics to a card. Why put biometrics on an ID card? It costs you a hell of a lot of money and there are equipment, support and administration problems," he said.

Vansevenant also questioned the need for a central database, as police and border control officers would be able to verify the biometric on the card to the person carrying it using an eye or fingerprint scanner. He said a central database will be a tempting target for hackers and that there should at best only be the need for a "blacklist" database of criminals and suspects to check biometric scans against.

Source: [URL]http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/legal/0,39020651,39118140,00.htm[/URL]

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Opinions? Mine is, that this is paving the way for the Mark of the Beast, the fact that the Goverment want to make it compulsory by the end of the decade, is just the same logic as everyone being forced to take the Mark.

This ISN'T the Mark of the Beast, but this is tagging people, which will be similar to the Mark of the Beast.

Your thoughts?

Azul wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> By the way 'Modex' means 'world' in English.
>
> No it doesn't, you moronic little cretin.
> And besides, that was a hoax.
>
> I expect the whole schizophrenic do. You know the one.
>
> "BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO BELIEVE!11 I SAW IT WITH MY
> OWN EYES! I SWEAR I DID! LOOK! A GIANT BUNNY!"

I stand corrected, this - even more interesting, is what Mondex means.

Note: MON-DEX is a compound of two words, monetary and dexter. Webster's defines these as {monetary - pertaining to money} {dexter- belonging to or on the right hand}.

I can't imagine people having big lumps on their heads for a chip - after all, it would be very noticable there as there is only a very thin layer of flesh between it and your skull.

So Forest Fan, I'd think again with that.

Or are you trying to twist things again?

Forest Fan wrote:
> The chip idea in itself isn't evil, but the fact that it will have
> either 666 or the name of the Anti-Christ is.

HAhahaa.
Surely the anti-Christ isn't so stupid to announce his arrival by sticking "omg! 666 lol!!1!1' eveywhere.

And is government going to put 666 on anything? Er ... no.

Forest Fan wrote:
> monkey_man wrote:
> Plus it's stupid anyway. What if it got put in your hand and a
> shark
> ate it off? Or you died in a fire - it would melt! And you'd get
> this whole underground society of "unbelievers" who
> surgically removed their chips! And Sylvester Stallone would have
> to
> go around shooting them! Huzzah!
>
> Then it would go in your forehead.

Replace "hand" with "head" then.

monkey_man wrote:
> Plus it's stupid anyway. What if it got put in your hand and a shark
> ate it off? Or you died in a fire - it would melt! And you'd get
> this whole underground society of "unbelievers" who
> surgically removed their chips! And Sylvester Stallone would have to
> go around shooting them! Huzzah!

Then it would go in your forehead.

Forest Fan wrote:
> By the way 'Modex' means 'world' in English.

No it doesn't, you moronic little cretin.
And besides, that was a hoax.

I expect the whole schizophrenic do. You know the one.

"BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO BELIEVE!11 I SAW IT WITH MY OWN EYES! I SWEAR I DID! LOOK! A GIANT BUNNY!"

Plus it's stupid anyway. What if it got put in your hand and a shark ate it off? Or you died in a fire - it would melt! And you'd get this whole underground society of "unbelievers" who surgically removed their chips! And Sylvester Stallone would have to go around shooting them! Huzzah!

Taken from the Mondex website - possible makers of the Mark of the Beast.



Will Mondex make cash redundant?

Mondex is an alternative to cash, not a replacement. About 90% of the world's payments are currently made in cash, and it's unlikely that Mondex will change that completely. However, there will certainly be many places where consumers as well as retailers will prefer Mondex over cash.


By the way 'Modex' means 'world' in English.

It would be a bit of a buggar if you had one of these chips in your hand or something, then you go to sign a document for whatever reason and behind it is a computer reading your chip to confirm automatic purchase of something...

monkey_man wrote:
> Edgy wrote:
> You are willing to die because of a small chip?
>
> I see the Troll's point, but he's doing it for the wrong reasons. He
> doesn't want this because it's some religious doohick, we're against
> it because it's a basic human choice whether we want bits of metal
> and silicon impanted in us or not. The only thing that would make me
> change my mind is if they renamed the chip "The Robocop
> Chip". Then I'll happily be half-man, half-machine.

Would you feel so strongly about it, you would be prepared to die for it?