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To all those who insist in following the Cult that is "evolution" here are yet more of the infinite flaws in the fairy tale. This is the side the evolutionist scientists of course don't tell you.
I DID NOT WRITE THIS, BUT JUST AS THE EVOLUTIONISTS ONLY BELIEVE DARWIN, I BELIEVE THE LORD AND ALL THOSE WHO STRESS HOW REDICULOUS EVOLUTION IS.
Doughboy writes the following from
http://www.netaxs.com/~doughboy/montana.htm
Hi there!
I am very happy to receive your mail.
I believe that this dialogue began with a question of whether evolution is legit. My argument is that I think it deceives students; going directly in opposition to testable science.
1. the laws of nature
The First Law of Thermodynamics
The first law of thermodynamics is the law of energy conservation. As you know, this is an empirical or testable law of science. This law states while energy can be converted from one form to another, it can not be created or annihilated. It has been considered the most powerful or most fundamental generalization of the universe that scientists have ever been able to make. This would mean that mass nor energy can appear from nothing. If there were that would be a free lunch. Some have suspected black holes, but I believe that one has not been observed. Today, matter does not spring out of nothing. If I were to tell someone that something appeared or reappeared, they'd say it were a lie, fairy tale, or legend.
The question seems to choke many evolutionists when one tests the theory of evolution with the first law of thermodynamics. There are all sorts of untested hypothesis of how something could come from nothing and that something that people hypothesis about is actually something. If it exists, it is something.
This reminds me of the 19th century concept of spontaneous generation. Flies can't come from rotten meat. At that time, people speculated how flies came about or how some sort of growth came about and it was believed that spoiled foods caused it. We later found out that there was a much different mechanism occurring. Science at one point was clueless, and we now know insects and other living things don't come from dead ones. In the time of Darwin, scientists believed that "simple organisms" came from inanimate objects. Just put millions of years in between and an open system, and you have life beginning on Earth.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics
As you know that the law of entropy is this. Without any intelligence acting on a system, entropy is always increasing and order is decreasing. Entropy is that free energy or energy lost.
For example, after I straighten up my room, it is a natural process that it will start becoming chaotic over time. It will not get clean or straight on its own, but I will have to do it. Entropy in the big bang/evolution theory moves from disorder (a soupy primordial slime), to order (man, plants, and animals). Supposedly, there is no intelligent being acting on the young Earth and the world then moves from disorder and chaos, to order and complexity. It is that "blind random chance" that makes it impossible for life to be created in this order. It is amino acids, to amoebas, to apes, and then to astronauts.
This is not true because the energy of the earth flows from hot to cool bodies. Evolution requires constant violations of the second law of thermodynamics. Some evolutions then try to dogmatically defend their position of getting past the second law.
One argument is that it is only speaking of energy relationships of matter, while evolution deals with complex organisms arising from simpler ones. This is false.
Contemporary information theory deals with information entropy and militates against evolution on a genetic level. While in an energy conversion system, entropy dictates that energy will decay. In an informational system, entropy dictates that information will be distorted. It is certain that there is a conceptual connection between information and second law of thermodynamics.
Some evolutionists also say that entropy can't prevent evolution because the Earth was an open system heated by the rays of the sun. This is nonsense.
the sun's raise have never produced an upswing in complexity without teleonomy (ordering principal of life).
Energy from the sun doesn't produce an orderly structure of growth and development without information and an engine.
I may be incorrect in my analogy, but it reminds me of poring gas on a heap of junk that used to be a car. If the junk doesn't know how to use the gas, there is no way it will drive down the street. If the sun beats down on a dead plant, it does not produce growth, but rather speeds up decay!
If the sun beats on a live plant, it produces a temporary increase in complexity in growth.
Evolutionists sometimes also say that entropy did not occur in the past. Well, hey, I wouldn't say that if I was an evolutionist, because that would suggest some supernatural occurrence. *wink*
This is just the first topic on the long list of flaws that the theory of evolution has.
I'm not doubting that evolution is the best theory that scientists can come up with, but biology, anthropology, psychology, chemistry, and other science students are not told of the weaknesses of the theory. (As Phillup Johnson put it, Evolution is a “half-baked theory.” And guess what? Scientists nor students have to accept it.)
Sincerely,
The Doughboy
DOUGHBOY WROTE THIS LETTER TO AN EVOLUTIONIST, AND NEVER GOT A RESPONSE. THIS IS A COMMON PATTERN, WHEN THE CREATIONIST WINS THE POINT, THE EVOLUTIONIST BACKS DOWN.
I DID NOT WRITE THIS, BUT JUST AS THE EVOLUTIONISTS ONLY BELIEVE DARWIN, I BELIEVE THE LORD AND ALL THOSE WHO STRESS HOW REDICULOUS EVOLUTION IS.
Doughboy writes the following from
http://www.netaxs.com/~doughboy/montana.htm
Hi there!
I am very happy to receive your mail.
I believe that this dialogue began with a question of whether evolution is legit. My argument is that I think it deceives students; going directly in opposition to testable science.
1. the laws of nature
The First Law of Thermodynamics
The first law of thermodynamics is the law of energy conservation. As you know, this is an empirical or testable law of science. This law states while energy can be converted from one form to another, it can not be created or annihilated. It has been considered the most powerful or most fundamental generalization of the universe that scientists have ever been able to make. This would mean that mass nor energy can appear from nothing. If there were that would be a free lunch. Some have suspected black holes, but I believe that one has not been observed. Today, matter does not spring out of nothing. If I were to tell someone that something appeared or reappeared, they'd say it were a lie, fairy tale, or legend.
The question seems to choke many evolutionists when one tests the theory of evolution with the first law of thermodynamics. There are all sorts of untested hypothesis of how something could come from nothing and that something that people hypothesis about is actually something. If it exists, it is something.
This reminds me of the 19th century concept of spontaneous generation. Flies can't come from rotten meat. At that time, people speculated how flies came about or how some sort of growth came about and it was believed that spoiled foods caused it. We later found out that there was a much different mechanism occurring. Science at one point was clueless, and we now know insects and other living things don't come from dead ones. In the time of Darwin, scientists believed that "simple organisms" came from inanimate objects. Just put millions of years in between and an open system, and you have life beginning on Earth.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics
As you know that the law of entropy is this. Without any intelligence acting on a system, entropy is always increasing and order is decreasing. Entropy is that free energy or energy lost.
For example, after I straighten up my room, it is a natural process that it will start becoming chaotic over time. It will not get clean or straight on its own, but I will have to do it. Entropy in the big bang/evolution theory moves from disorder (a soupy primordial slime), to order (man, plants, and animals). Supposedly, there is no intelligent being acting on the young Earth and the world then moves from disorder and chaos, to order and complexity. It is that "blind random chance" that makes it impossible for life to be created in this order. It is amino acids, to amoebas, to apes, and then to astronauts.
This is not true because the energy of the earth flows from hot to cool bodies. Evolution requires constant violations of the second law of thermodynamics. Some evolutions then try to dogmatically defend their position of getting past the second law.
One argument is that it is only speaking of energy relationships of matter, while evolution deals with complex organisms arising from simpler ones. This is false.
Contemporary information theory deals with information entropy and militates against evolution on a genetic level. While in an energy conversion system, entropy dictates that energy will decay. In an informational system, entropy dictates that information will be distorted. It is certain that there is a conceptual connection between information and second law of thermodynamics.
Some evolutionists also say that entropy can't prevent evolution because the Earth was an open system heated by the rays of the sun. This is nonsense.
the sun's raise have never produced an upswing in complexity without teleonomy (ordering principal of life).
Energy from the sun doesn't produce an orderly structure of growth and development without information and an engine.
I may be incorrect in my analogy, but it reminds me of poring gas on a heap of junk that used to be a car. If the junk doesn't know how to use the gas, there is no way it will drive down the street. If the sun beats down on a dead plant, it does not produce growth, but rather speeds up decay!
If the sun beats on a live plant, it produces a temporary increase in complexity in growth.
Evolutionists sometimes also say that entropy did not occur in the past. Well, hey, I wouldn't say that if I was an evolutionist, because that would suggest some supernatural occurrence. *wink*
This is just the first topic on the long list of flaws that the theory of evolution has.
I'm not doubting that evolution is the best theory that scientists can come up with, but biology, anthropology, psychology, chemistry, and other science students are not told of the weaknesses of the theory. (As Phillup Johnson put it, Evolution is a “half-baked theory.” And guess what? Scientists nor students have to accept it.)
Sincerely,
The Doughboy
DOUGHBOY WROTE THIS LETTER TO AN EVOLUTIONIST, AND NEVER GOT A RESPONSE. THIS IS A COMMON PATTERN, WHEN THE CREATIONIST WINS THE POINT, THE EVOLUTIONIST BACKS DOWN.
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Forest Fan wrote:
> Rickoss wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> You know where your at.
>
> Does grammar earn you place in Heaven? :-P
>
> So Rickoss, "earn you", want to edit the grammar then?
Ah, I missed out an 'a', surely I should be sent to the bowels of hell now, yes?
Putting things in CAPITOLS doesn't make them TRUE, you still have no proof, just mindless rambling about how great the 'lord' is. How can people, exactly, fear something that doesn't exist?
> Rickoss wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> You know where your at.
>
> Does grammar earn you place in Heaven? :-P
>
> So Rickoss, "earn you", want to edit the grammar then?
Ah, I missed out an 'a', surely I should be sent to the bowels of hell now, yes?
Putting things in CAPITOLS doesn't make them TRUE, you still have no proof, just mindless rambling about how great the 'lord' is. How can people, exactly, fear something that doesn't exist?
Forest Fan wrote:
> Well Loki, I have already given this list of scientists who believe
> in creation, but here it is again;
> *long list deleted*
>
> So Loki, get bowing.
Ummm... no.
How's that relevant? I didn't ask for a list of creationists. I asked you to name a source to back up your bizarre assertion that some evolutionists believe that entropy didn't used to happen.
*carries on waiting*
> Well Loki, I have already given this list of scientists who believe
> in creation, but here it is again;
> *long list deleted*
>
> So Loki, get bowing.
Ummm... no.
How's that relevant? I didn't ask for a list of creationists. I asked you to name a source to back up your bizarre assertion that some evolutionists believe that entropy didn't used to happen.
*carries on waiting*
Rickoss wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> You know where your at.
>
> Does grammar earn you place in Heaven? :-P
So Rickoss, "earn you", want to edit the grammar then?
> Forest Fan wrote:
> You know where your at.
>
> Does grammar earn you place in Heaven? :-P
So Rickoss, "earn you", want to edit the grammar then?
Rickoss wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> But the Word of God and God lives today, the full extent of His
> prophecies are being wrapped up before the book is sealed up.
>
> And it all started with the independence of Israel in 1948.
>
> The fact that you knew what I was talking about proves something.
> It's highly unlikely that your beliefs are indeed a reality; we no
> longer live in a world of religious mumbo-jumbo, and as such we
> realise how ridiculous the premise in.
The LORD JESUS pays a big part in many of people's lives today.
> I'm surprised that so many people follow in the footsteps of such a
> myth with no ounce of proof to back it up, whether it's due to the
> insecurities of people today or the simple need for something (no
> matter how much of a farse it may be) when everything else fails, it
> will always be a human flaw and completely untrue.
These people are scared of the LORD, wise is the man who fears the LORD, so these people are just submitting to the creator of the universe.
> Of course, in my humble opinion, I could be wrong. Just like you,
> Forest Fan.
That's right, I am humble, but only amongst the one person who deserves it and that is no man but the LORD.
> Forest Fan wrote:
> But the Word of God and God lives today, the full extent of His
> prophecies are being wrapped up before the book is sealed up.
>
> And it all started with the independence of Israel in 1948.
>
> The fact that you knew what I was talking about proves something.
> It's highly unlikely that your beliefs are indeed a reality; we no
> longer live in a world of religious mumbo-jumbo, and as such we
> realise how ridiculous the premise in.
The LORD JESUS pays a big part in many of people's lives today.
> I'm surprised that so many people follow in the footsteps of such a
> myth with no ounce of proof to back it up, whether it's due to the
> insecurities of people today or the simple need for something (no
> matter how much of a farse it may be) when everything else fails, it
> will always be a human flaw and completely untrue.
These people are scared of the LORD, wise is the man who fears the LORD, so these people are just submitting to the creator of the universe.
> Of course, in my humble opinion, I could be wrong. Just like you,
> Forest Fan.
That's right, I am humble, but only amongst the one person who deserves it and that is no man but the LORD.
Forest Fan wrote:
>
> Well Loki, I have already given this list of scientists who believe
> in creation, but here it is again;
>
> Dr Paul Ackerman, Psychologist
> Dr James Allan, Geneticist....
All conveniently lecture at 'Holy Grail' Uni, Michagan.
>
> Well Loki, I have already given this list of scientists who believe
> in creation, but here it is again;
>
> Dr Paul Ackerman, Psychologist
> Dr James Allan, Geneticist....
All conveniently lecture at 'Holy Grail' Uni, Michagan.
Forest Fan wrote:
> You know where your at.
Does grammar earn you place in Heaven? :-P
> You know where your at.
Does grammar earn you place in Heaven? :-P
Forest Fan wrote:
> But the Word of God and God lives today, the full extent of His
> prophecies are being wrapped up before the book is sealed up.
>
> And it all started with the independence of Israel in 1948.
The fact that you knew what I was talking about proves something. It's highly unlikely that your beliefs are indeed a reality; we no longer live in a world of religious mumbo-jumbo, and as such we realise how ridiculous the premise in.
I'm surprised that so many people follow in the footsteps of such a myth with no ounce of proof to back it up, whether it's due to the insecurities of people today or the simple need for something (no matter how much of a farse it may be) when everything else fails, it will always be a human flaw and completely untrue.
Of course, in my humble opinion, I could be wrong. Just like you, Forest Fan.
> But the Word of God and God lives today, the full extent of His
> prophecies are being wrapped up before the book is sealed up.
>
> And it all started with the independence of Israel in 1948.
The fact that you knew what I was talking about proves something. It's highly unlikely that your beliefs are indeed a reality; we no longer live in a world of religious mumbo-jumbo, and as such we realise how ridiculous the premise in.
I'm surprised that so many people follow in the footsteps of such a myth with no ounce of proof to back it up, whether it's due to the insecurities of people today or the simple need for something (no matter how much of a farse it may be) when everything else fails, it will always be a human flaw and completely untrue.
Of course, in my humble opinion, I could be wrong. Just like you, Forest Fan.
English_Bloke wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> No I prefer straight-forward talk.
>
> Best. Post. Ever.
No more straight-forward book than the Bible.
Heaven for believers, hell for non-believers.
You know where your at.
Straight-forward.
> Forest Fan wrote:
> No I prefer straight-forward talk.
>
> Best. Post. Ever.
No more straight-forward book than the Bible.
Heaven for believers, hell for non-believers.
You know where your at.
Straight-forward.
Forest Fan wrote:
> No I prefer straight-forward talk.
Best. Post. Ever.
> No I prefer straight-forward talk.
Best. Post. Ever.
English_Bloke wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> I would certainly be interested, to discover the purpose of that
> quote, so go ahead.
>
> You're not much with the sarcasm, are you?
No I prefer straight-forward talk.
> Forest Fan wrote:
> I would certainly be interested, to discover the purpose of that
> quote, so go ahead.
>
> You're not much with the sarcasm, are you?
No I prefer straight-forward talk.
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