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To all those who insist in following the Cult that is "evolution" here are yet more of the infinite flaws in the fairy tale. This is the side the evolutionist scientists of course don't tell you.
I DID NOT WRITE THIS, BUT JUST AS THE EVOLUTIONISTS ONLY BELIEVE DARWIN, I BELIEVE THE LORD AND ALL THOSE WHO STRESS HOW REDICULOUS EVOLUTION IS.
Doughboy writes the following from
http://www.netaxs.com/~doughboy/montana.htm
Hi there!
I am very happy to receive your mail.
I believe that this dialogue began with a question of whether evolution is legit. My argument is that I think it deceives students; going directly in opposition to testable science.
1. the laws of nature
The First Law of Thermodynamics
The first law of thermodynamics is the law of energy conservation. As you know, this is an empirical or testable law of science. This law states while energy can be converted from one form to another, it can not be created or annihilated. It has been considered the most powerful or most fundamental generalization of the universe that scientists have ever been able to make. This would mean that mass nor energy can appear from nothing. If there were that would be a free lunch. Some have suspected black holes, but I believe that one has not been observed. Today, matter does not spring out of nothing. If I were to tell someone that something appeared or reappeared, they'd say it were a lie, fairy tale, or legend.
The question seems to choke many evolutionists when one tests the theory of evolution with the first law of thermodynamics. There are all sorts of untested hypothesis of how something could come from nothing and that something that people hypothesis about is actually something. If it exists, it is something.
This reminds me of the 19th century concept of spontaneous generation. Flies can't come from rotten meat. At that time, people speculated how flies came about or how some sort of growth came about and it was believed that spoiled foods caused it. We later found out that there was a much different mechanism occurring. Science at one point was clueless, and we now know insects and other living things don't come from dead ones. In the time of Darwin, scientists believed that "simple organisms" came from inanimate objects. Just put millions of years in between and an open system, and you have life beginning on Earth.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics
As you know that the law of entropy is this. Without any intelligence acting on a system, entropy is always increasing and order is decreasing. Entropy is that free energy or energy lost.
For example, after I straighten up my room, it is a natural process that it will start becoming chaotic over time. It will not get clean or straight on its own, but I will have to do it. Entropy in the big bang/evolution theory moves from disorder (a soupy primordial slime), to order (man, plants, and animals). Supposedly, there is no intelligent being acting on the young Earth and the world then moves from disorder and chaos, to order and complexity. It is that "blind random chance" that makes it impossible for life to be created in this order. It is amino acids, to amoebas, to apes, and then to astronauts.
This is not true because the energy of the earth flows from hot to cool bodies. Evolution requires constant violations of the second law of thermodynamics. Some evolutions then try to dogmatically defend their position of getting past the second law.
One argument is that it is only speaking of energy relationships of matter, while evolution deals with complex organisms arising from simpler ones. This is false.
Contemporary information theory deals with information entropy and militates against evolution on a genetic level. While in an energy conversion system, entropy dictates that energy will decay. In an informational system, entropy dictates that information will be distorted. It is certain that there is a conceptual connection between information and second law of thermodynamics.
Some evolutionists also say that entropy can't prevent evolution because the Earth was an open system heated by the rays of the sun. This is nonsense.
the sun's raise have never produced an upswing in complexity without teleonomy (ordering principal of life).
Energy from the sun doesn't produce an orderly structure of growth and development without information and an engine.
I may be incorrect in my analogy, but it reminds me of poring gas on a heap of junk that used to be a car. If the junk doesn't know how to use the gas, there is no way it will drive down the street. If the sun beats down on a dead plant, it does not produce growth, but rather speeds up decay!
If the sun beats on a live plant, it produces a temporary increase in complexity in growth.
Evolutionists sometimes also say that entropy did not occur in the past. Well, hey, I wouldn't say that if I was an evolutionist, because that would suggest some supernatural occurrence. *wink*
This is just the first topic on the long list of flaws that the theory of evolution has.
I'm not doubting that evolution is the best theory that scientists can come up with, but biology, anthropology, psychology, chemistry, and other science students are not told of the weaknesses of the theory. (As Phillup Johnson put it, Evolution is a “half-baked theory.” And guess what? Scientists nor students have to accept it.)
Sincerely,
The Doughboy
DOUGHBOY WROTE THIS LETTER TO AN EVOLUTIONIST, AND NEVER GOT A RESPONSE. THIS IS A COMMON PATTERN, WHEN THE CREATIONIST WINS THE POINT, THE EVOLUTIONIST BACKS DOWN.
I DID NOT WRITE THIS, BUT JUST AS THE EVOLUTIONISTS ONLY BELIEVE DARWIN, I BELIEVE THE LORD AND ALL THOSE WHO STRESS HOW REDICULOUS EVOLUTION IS.
Doughboy writes the following from
http://www.netaxs.com/~doughboy/montana.htm
Hi there!
I am very happy to receive your mail.
I believe that this dialogue began with a question of whether evolution is legit. My argument is that I think it deceives students; going directly in opposition to testable science.
1. the laws of nature
The First Law of Thermodynamics
The first law of thermodynamics is the law of energy conservation. As you know, this is an empirical or testable law of science. This law states while energy can be converted from one form to another, it can not be created or annihilated. It has been considered the most powerful or most fundamental generalization of the universe that scientists have ever been able to make. This would mean that mass nor energy can appear from nothing. If there were that would be a free lunch. Some have suspected black holes, but I believe that one has not been observed. Today, matter does not spring out of nothing. If I were to tell someone that something appeared or reappeared, they'd say it were a lie, fairy tale, or legend.
The question seems to choke many evolutionists when one tests the theory of evolution with the first law of thermodynamics. There are all sorts of untested hypothesis of how something could come from nothing and that something that people hypothesis about is actually something. If it exists, it is something.
This reminds me of the 19th century concept of spontaneous generation. Flies can't come from rotten meat. At that time, people speculated how flies came about or how some sort of growth came about and it was believed that spoiled foods caused it. We later found out that there was a much different mechanism occurring. Science at one point was clueless, and we now know insects and other living things don't come from dead ones. In the time of Darwin, scientists believed that "simple organisms" came from inanimate objects. Just put millions of years in between and an open system, and you have life beginning on Earth.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics
As you know that the law of entropy is this. Without any intelligence acting on a system, entropy is always increasing and order is decreasing. Entropy is that free energy or energy lost.
For example, after I straighten up my room, it is a natural process that it will start becoming chaotic over time. It will not get clean or straight on its own, but I will have to do it. Entropy in the big bang/evolution theory moves from disorder (a soupy primordial slime), to order (man, plants, and animals). Supposedly, there is no intelligent being acting on the young Earth and the world then moves from disorder and chaos, to order and complexity. It is that "blind random chance" that makes it impossible for life to be created in this order. It is amino acids, to amoebas, to apes, and then to astronauts.
This is not true because the energy of the earth flows from hot to cool bodies. Evolution requires constant violations of the second law of thermodynamics. Some evolutions then try to dogmatically defend their position of getting past the second law.
One argument is that it is only speaking of energy relationships of matter, while evolution deals with complex organisms arising from simpler ones. This is false.
Contemporary information theory deals with information entropy and militates against evolution on a genetic level. While in an energy conversion system, entropy dictates that energy will decay. In an informational system, entropy dictates that information will be distorted. It is certain that there is a conceptual connection between information and second law of thermodynamics.
Some evolutionists also say that entropy can't prevent evolution because the Earth was an open system heated by the rays of the sun. This is nonsense.
the sun's raise have never produced an upswing in complexity without teleonomy (ordering principal of life).
Energy from the sun doesn't produce an orderly structure of growth and development without information and an engine.
I may be incorrect in my analogy, but it reminds me of poring gas on a heap of junk that used to be a car. If the junk doesn't know how to use the gas, there is no way it will drive down the street. If the sun beats down on a dead plant, it does not produce growth, but rather speeds up decay!
If the sun beats on a live plant, it produces a temporary increase in complexity in growth.
Evolutionists sometimes also say that entropy did not occur in the past. Well, hey, I wouldn't say that if I was an evolutionist, because that would suggest some supernatural occurrence. *wink*
This is just the first topic on the long list of flaws that the theory of evolution has.
I'm not doubting that evolution is the best theory that scientists can come up with, but biology, anthropology, psychology, chemistry, and other science students are not told of the weaknesses of the theory. (As Phillup Johnson put it, Evolution is a “half-baked theory.” And guess what? Scientists nor students have to accept it.)
Sincerely,
The Doughboy
DOUGHBOY WROTE THIS LETTER TO AN EVOLUTIONIST, AND NEVER GOT A RESPONSE. THIS IS A COMMON PATTERN, WHEN THE CREATIONIST WINS THE POINT, THE EVOLUTIONIST BACKS DOWN.
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Forest Fan wrote:
> Or that they couldn't argue back. If it made so little sense, why
> didn't they just write back, saying I didn't understand? They
> understood alright, they just had no arguement for it!
You're not listening to me.
It's complete and utter tosh. Do you think scientists sit around doing nothing all day? People have things to do, places to be - we can't all read what crap comes out of the mouth of the latest person who believes he has proved the evolution theory wrong. Evolutionists probably get tons of e-mails every day from people like this - what is there possibly to be gained by replying?
The only reply to this would be "You're an idiot who hasn't got a clue what he's talking about", yet even that response can be constructed after merely reading this dude's name. "The Doughboy"? What the hell is that? The final nail in this idiot's coffin, that's what. He's clueless. Evolutionists obviously can't be bothered to give him the time of day and rightly so.
> Or that they couldn't argue back. If it made so little sense, why
> didn't they just write back, saying I didn't understand? They
> understood alright, they just had no arguement for it!
You're not listening to me.
It's complete and utter tosh. Do you think scientists sit around doing nothing all day? People have things to do, places to be - we can't all read what crap comes out of the mouth of the latest person who believes he has proved the evolution theory wrong. Evolutionists probably get tons of e-mails every day from people like this - what is there possibly to be gained by replying?
The only reply to this would be "You're an idiot who hasn't got a clue what he's talking about", yet even that response can be constructed after merely reading this dude's name. "The Doughboy"? What the hell is that? The final nail in this idiot's coffin, that's what. He's clueless. Evolutionists obviously can't be bothered to give him the time of day and rightly so.
monkey_man wrote:
> The only things not evolving around here are FF's arguments and
> theories.
Uh huh.
> The only things not evolving around here are FF's arguments and
> theories.
Uh huh.
The only things not evolving around here are FF's arguments and theories.
cookie monster wrote:
> On the contrary, as long as natural selection takes place evolution
> will never stop.
Absolutely true. Evolution is occuring all the time.
> On the contrary, as long as natural selection takes place evolution
> will never stop.
Absolutely true. Evolution is occuring all the time.
Forest Fan wrote:
> Except CREATION populates the earth today. Nothing is EVOLVING!
On the contrary, as long as natural selection takes place evolution will never stop.
> Except CREATION populates the earth today. Nothing is EVOLVING!
On the contrary, as long as natural selection takes place evolution will never stop.
Maverick42 wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Maverick42 wrote:
> Hmm.. just read the initial post.
>
> A load of pretentious waffle really. Complete crap, to sum it up.
>
> What, can't argue with science can you? Not when a theory breaks the
> second law of thermodynamics! Face it evolutionists, EVOLUTION is
> impossible, the second law of thermodynamics tells you that, so just
> accept it and move on from sea slime and monkeys.
>
> I'm sorry, but if you think that original post proved or strengthened
> anything about evolution being impossible then you have no
> understanding of the fundamental concepts of evolution or physics.
>
> That guy didn't get a reply, eh? Probably because what he wrote
> was a load of pretentious nonsense.
Or that they couldn't argue back. If it made so little sense, why didn't they just write back, saying I didn't understand? They understood alright, they just had no arguement for it!
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Maverick42 wrote:
> Hmm.. just read the initial post.
>
> A load of pretentious waffle really. Complete crap, to sum it up.
>
> What, can't argue with science can you? Not when a theory breaks the
> second law of thermodynamics! Face it evolutionists, EVOLUTION is
> impossible, the second law of thermodynamics tells you that, so just
> accept it and move on from sea slime and monkeys.
>
> I'm sorry, but if you think that original post proved or strengthened
> anything about evolution being impossible then you have no
> understanding of the fundamental concepts of evolution or physics.
>
> That guy didn't get a reply, eh? Probably because what he wrote
> was a load of pretentious nonsense.
Or that they couldn't argue back. If it made so little sense, why didn't they just write back, saying I didn't understand? They understood alright, they just had no arguement for it!
No, but Doughboy said it and he's always right.
It more likely helps to explain evolution than prove it wrong.
If it's possible to imagine the universe as an infinity number of particles, then perhaps it was heat as a factor that helped to pull these particles together, and slow them down and forge them together in one place. It'd certainly help to explain why you have planets orbiting stars.
But I can't say I know an awful lot about this and I have no real desire to find out. :D I like my theorys, they keep me amused.
If it's possible to imagine the universe as an infinity number of particles, then perhaps it was heat as a factor that helped to pull these particles together, and slow them down and forge them together in one place. It'd certainly help to explain why you have planets orbiting stars.
But I can't say I know an awful lot about this and I have no real desire to find out. :D I like my theorys, they keep me amused.
Forest Fan going on about thermodynamics, particularly the second law is hilarious! Especially as he seems to know s**t all about it.
Just for the record to put it clearly and concisely in terms everyone can understand, the second law states that:
heat flows naturally from a hot object to a cold object; heat will not flow spontaneously from a cold object to a hot object.
Basically, the idea behind this law is to make a statement about which processes occur in nature and which don't in terms of heat.
Now, how on Earth does this have anything to do with this topic?!
Just for the record to put it clearly and concisely in terms everyone can understand, the second law states that:
heat flows naturally from a hot object to a cold object; heat will not flow spontaneously from a cold object to a hot object.
Basically, the idea behind this law is to make a statement about which processes occur in nature and which don't in terms of heat.
Now, how on Earth does this have anything to do with this topic?!
Forest Fan wrote:
> Maverick42 wrote:
> Hmm.. just read the initial post.
>
> A load of pretentious waffle really. Complete crap, to sum it up.
>
> What, can't argue with science can you? Not when a theory breaks the
> second law of thermodynamics! Face it evolutionists, EVOLUTION is
> impossible, the second law of thermodynamics tells you that, so just
> accept it and move on from sea slime and monkeys.
I'm sorry, but if you think that original post proved or strengthened anything about evolution being impossible then you have no understanding of the fundamental concepts of evolution or physics.
That guy didn't get a reply, eh? Probably because what he wrote was a load of pretentious nonsense.
> Maverick42 wrote:
> Hmm.. just read the initial post.
>
> A load of pretentious waffle really. Complete crap, to sum it up.
>
> What, can't argue with science can you? Not when a theory breaks the
> second law of thermodynamics! Face it evolutionists, EVOLUTION is
> impossible, the second law of thermodynamics tells you that, so just
> accept it and move on from sea slime and monkeys.
I'm sorry, but if you think that original post proved or strengthened anything about evolution being impossible then you have no understanding of the fundamental concepts of evolution or physics.
That guy didn't get a reply, eh? Probably because what he wrote was a load of pretentious nonsense.
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