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When it comes to the age old question "Where did we come from?"
There seem to be two answers:
1. God made everything etc.
2. We evolved.
There it is. Black and white. One or the other.
Well, how about this:
God (or someone else) made the basics, and we evolved from there. Why not have some grey? Why can't there a mixture of the two theories?
Thoughts?
There seem to be two answers:
1. God made everything etc.
2. We evolved.
There it is. Black and white. One or the other.
Well, how about this:
God (or someone else) made the basics, and we evolved from there. Why not have some grey? Why can't there a mixture of the two theories?
Thoughts?
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If we were created by some higher beings - not necessarily Gods, just an advanced race that could be mistaken for or interpreted as Gods - then what created them? It's an endless circle that could very well be explained by time-travel. Suppose there is a point in the lifetime of our Universe that time-travel is discovered/invented? Theoretically, we could go back and start the Human race from scratch, becoming our own creators. That would explain a lot of things - why is there no species inbetween apes and Human, when apes haven't died out through evolution as other species have? Could there really have been an advanced civilisation, like Atlantis, that was destroyed by natural causes? Even better, destroyed themselves after successfully re-introducing us?
Good question, YH.
Good question, YH.
ßulle†† wrote:
> Because nothing can just appear out of thin air. Everything originates
> from something so a God would have to have either been created by
> something or someone, or the God evolved from some other form (which
> either evolved or was created etc. etc.), both of which are doubtful.
Heh. I just love the fact that an apparently all powerful diety HAS to have came from SOMETHING.
Why? Could it not have created itself? Could "Time" as a concept we understand might not apply to it? :)
Anyway. I don't have the time to argue 100 percent to this as I'm busy, its just I can't underestand why people can't accept that something that there is NO PROOF of and is supposed to be omnipresent (see my comments in the "being a Christian thread", I'm not religious at all) can exist outside of our limited understanding of the universe.
In one way, isn't that being as blinkered as dear old forest fan in the other thread?
> Because nothing can just appear out of thin air. Everything originates
> from something so a God would have to have either been created by
> something or someone, or the God evolved from some other form (which
> either evolved or was created etc. etc.), both of which are doubtful.
Heh. I just love the fact that an apparently all powerful diety HAS to have came from SOMETHING.
Why? Could it not have created itself? Could "Time" as a concept we understand might not apply to it? :)
Anyway. I don't have the time to argue 100 percent to this as I'm busy, its just I can't underestand why people can't accept that something that there is NO PROOF of and is supposed to be omnipresent (see my comments in the "being a Christian thread", I'm not religious at all) can exist outside of our limited understanding of the universe.
In one way, isn't that being as blinkered as dear old forest fan in the other thread?
Because nothing can just appear out of thin air. Everything originates from something so a God would have to have either been created by something or someone, or the God evolved from some other form (which either evolved or was created etc. etc.), both of which are doubtful.
ßulle†† wrote:
> Even if a God did exist (which I strongly doubt), he/she/it would
> have to have been created at some point.
Why?
> Even if a God did exist (which I strongly doubt), he/she/it would
> have to have been created at some point.
Why?
I go with the Big Bang theory.
Even if a God did exist (which I strongly doubt), he/she/it would have to have been created at some point.
But, even going back to before the Big Bang, how were the gases created?
I don't think there is a 'grey' - the Big Bang started everything moving and it just went on from there.
Even if a God did exist (which I strongly doubt), he/she/it would have to have been created at some point.
But, even going back to before the Big Bang, how were the gases created?
I don't think there is a 'grey' - the Big Bang started everything moving and it just went on from there.
gamezfreak wrote:
> We evolved.
>
> I have no reason to believe there was anyone superiror to us that
> made us what we are today.
Oh god aye. I'm athiest, but just siting on the other side of the fence.
> We evolved.
>
> I have no reason to believe there was anyone superiror to us that
> made us what we are today.
Oh god aye. I'm athiest, but just siting on the other side of the fence.
One of the numerous Big Bang theories is that there are several Universies (is that the right term?), all existing on seperate plains, spaced parallel to each other. Best description of this is several clothes lines placed parallel to each other, with bedsheets hanging off them to represent the fabric of the Univeries - it's reckoned that the layers can move too. The force required to start an explosion big enough to create everything we have now is thought to have come from two of the layers colliding.
But then we still have the question: where the Donald Duck did they come from? It just makes the headache bigger.
But then we still have the question: where the Donald Duck did they come from? It just makes the headache bigger.
We evolved.
I have no reason to believe there was anyone superiror to us that made us what we are today.
I have no reason to believe there was anyone superiror to us that made us what we are today.
Messy wrote:
> Wow, never thought of that. But how was God created? Was He always
> there? Surely He Himself must have been created by something... Or
> not.
If it not difficult to accept the idea of an all powerful diety creating the universe, why not accept that it has always been there, or even that it exists out of our human concept of time?
> Wow, never thought of that. But how was God created? Was He always
> there? Surely He Himself must have been created by something... Or
> not.
If it not difficult to accept the idea of an all powerful diety creating the universe, why not accept that it has always been there, or even that it exists out of our human concept of time?
Wow, never thought of that. But how was God created? Was He always there? Surely He Himself must have been created by something... Or not.
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