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When it comes to the age old question "Where did we come from?"
There seem to be two answers:
1. God made everything etc.
2. We evolved.
There it is. Black and white. One or the other.
Well, how about this:
God (or someone else) made the basics, and we evolved from there. Why not have some grey? Why can't there a mixture of the two theories?
Thoughts?
There seem to be two answers:
1. God made everything etc.
2. We evolved.
There it is. Black and white. One or the other.
Well, how about this:
God (or someone else) made the basics, and we evolved from there. Why not have some grey? Why can't there a mixture of the two theories?
Thoughts?
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the big bang is a good theory, but is only a theory based on the current state of the universe.
from where we are, and what we can see, the universe is constantly expanding - eventually as the galaxies move further and further apart, the universe will become more and more devoid of heat and energy. the end result is in theory that nothing will exist but a lot of floating dust and debris. all nebulas will be used up as they are burnt by stars, all the stars will burn out and either explode completely or become black holes - which will also eventually disappear. the universe will be completely dead - in theory.
So it is possible for us to plot a course back through time, and theorise what the state of the universe was so long ago. the trajectory of the moving galaxies allows us to plot an approximate point where all matter in the universe was originally located. it could perhaps of been one unimaginably huge nebula, planet, star or anything. the truth is we have no idea what existed then, but the velocity of the moving galaxies suggests a colossal explosion.
the point before this explosion is known as the singularity, and in scientific terms a singularity is an event or location where all the laws of physics 'break down' and cannot apply any longer. such things are the holy grail for scientists. a good example of a singularity in existence today is the center of a black hole. we can theorise what exists in there, but truthfully we don't know. people have suggested that time actually stops in the center of a black hole, even that they could lead into a parallel universe. we are just too primitive at this time to understand it.
but one day, if we don't blow ourselves up, if we aren't hit by a comet, wiped out by a disease or swallowed up by our own sun - who knows? :D
from where we are, and what we can see, the universe is constantly expanding - eventually as the galaxies move further and further apart, the universe will become more and more devoid of heat and energy. the end result is in theory that nothing will exist but a lot of floating dust and debris. all nebulas will be used up as they are burnt by stars, all the stars will burn out and either explode completely or become black holes - which will also eventually disappear. the universe will be completely dead - in theory.
So it is possible for us to plot a course back through time, and theorise what the state of the universe was so long ago. the trajectory of the moving galaxies allows us to plot an approximate point where all matter in the universe was originally located. it could perhaps of been one unimaginably huge nebula, planet, star or anything. the truth is we have no idea what existed then, but the velocity of the moving galaxies suggests a colossal explosion.
the point before this explosion is known as the singularity, and in scientific terms a singularity is an event or location where all the laws of physics 'break down' and cannot apply any longer. such things are the holy grail for scientists. a good example of a singularity in existence today is the center of a black hole. we can theorise what exists in there, but truthfully we don't know. people have suggested that time actually stops in the center of a black hole, even that they could lead into a parallel universe. we are just too primitive at this time to understand it.
but one day, if we don't blow ourselves up, if we aren't hit by a comet, wiped out by a disease or swallowed up by our own sun - who knows? :D
RoJ wrote:
> You lot speak of "God" - why not Gods?
>
> Not that I believe in them, however.
Who's to say tha God didn't like fancy dress once upon a time?
I wonder who tailored his Aphrodite/Venus "costume"... ;-O
> You lot speak of "God" - why not Gods?
>
> Not that I believe in them, however.
Who's to say tha God didn't like fancy dress once upon a time?
I wonder who tailored his Aphrodite/Venus "costume"... ;-O
hehe!
That's the way I always saw it.
The big bang:
A lot of oxygen, a lot of hydorgen and God's wooden spoon (although where he good the wood from is a mystery because tree's hadn't been created/evolved back then... :-S)
;-)
Messy wrote:
> Wow, never thought of that. But how was God created? Was He always
> there? Surely He Himself must have been created by something... Or
> not.
Or evolved from... ;-)
That's the way I always saw it.
The big bang:
A lot of oxygen, a lot of hydorgen and God's wooden spoon (although where he good the wood from is a mystery because tree's hadn't been created/evolved back then... :-S)
;-)
Messy wrote:
> Wow, never thought of that. But how was God created? Was He always
> there? Surely He Himself must have been created by something... Or
> not.
Or evolved from... ;-)
You lot speak of "God" - why not Gods?
Not that I believe in them, however.
Not that I believe in them, however.
God's not very good with replacing tyres. Almighty he may be, but he's still clumsy.
I think that god made life and we evolved from that.
And that god doesnt change what happens in life but he is there if you need him.
And that god doesnt change what happens in life but he is there if you need him.
monkey_man wrote:
If space ends... what's beyond it?
I'd like to think a massive swimming pool of monkeys, completely surrounding the universe.
If space ends... what's beyond it?
I'd like to think a massive swimming pool of monkeys, completely surrounding the universe.
I think the problem is thinking that there even was a beginning.. I mean, we get born and eventually we die, that's simple to understand. It's a journey of time, a lengthy period of life.
Could it be possible to imagine time not as a line with a beginning and end, but as a circle, or even a dot? Perhaps it's human nature to believe we are always moving forward, but perhaps there's the possibility that we're not even moving, and perhaps there's no such thing as time at all.
If you take the element of time out of the equation then things start making a little more sense. Scientists can try and rationalise it, say the universe started at least so many billion years ago, but then perhaps the 'perception' of time has changed over the many 'years'.
There's a thought about this with the bible too. God creating life as we know it and still having a breather on Sunday, Noah managing to build a massive ark in a week or whatever. Remember that time is simply an indication of speed, but if things aren't moving, then perhaps there is no need for time.
It's a thought anyway. :) Nice topic YH.
Could it be possible to imagine time not as a line with a beginning and end, but as a circle, or even a dot? Perhaps it's human nature to believe we are always moving forward, but perhaps there's the possibility that we're not even moving, and perhaps there's no such thing as time at all.
If you take the element of time out of the equation then things start making a little more sense. Scientists can try and rationalise it, say the universe started at least so many billion years ago, but then perhaps the 'perception' of time has changed over the many 'years'.
There's a thought about this with the bible too. God creating life as we know it and still having a breather on Sunday, Noah managing to build a massive ark in a week or whatever. Remember that time is simply an indication of speed, but if things aren't moving, then perhaps there is no need for time.
It's a thought anyway. :) Nice topic YH.
mikelar wrote:
> i reckon Your Honour is the only one who actually exists and we're all
> living in his mind
Nah, there's not that much room.
> i reckon Your Honour is the only one who actually exists and we're all
> living in his mind
Nah, there's not that much room.
WòókieeMøn§†€® wrote:
> VenomByte wrote:
> Assuming our race doesn't wipe itself out, we'll get there.
>
> Ah, but how do we know we're not already there, and that this
> lifetime is just such a 'game' playing out in our minds in the space
> of a few minutes, just like dreams do when we sleep at night?
>
> Any moment you could be crossing the road and get hit by a truck, and
> instead of dying, you snap back to the *real* reality as someone
> disconnects you from the console...
>
> "Well done, sir! You survived for 32 game years... that's
> today's high score!"
Yup, that's exactly the point!
We have no way of knowing, and as such the logical conclusion is that the chances are that none of this life is real...
> VenomByte wrote:
> Assuming our race doesn't wipe itself out, we'll get there.
>
> Ah, but how do we know we're not already there, and that this
> lifetime is just such a 'game' playing out in our minds in the space
> of a few minutes, just like dreams do when we sleep at night?
>
> Any moment you could be crossing the road and get hit by a truck, and
> instead of dying, you snap back to the *real* reality as someone
> disconnects you from the console...
>
> "Well done, sir! You survived for 32 game years... that's
> today's high score!"
Yup, that's exactly the point!
We have no way of knowing, and as such the logical conclusion is that the chances are that none of this life is real...
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