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Caught this last night. Excellent film.
So many subtleties, morals, messages. It shocks, it envokes thought, it excites, it enraptures - personally, I really enjoyed it. The acting was spot on with many great performers (Marlon Brando, Robert Duvall, Dennis Hopper, to name a few) making short but very sweet appearances. Even Francis Ford Coppola had a brief cameo, but this didn't detract from the superb direction. Martin Sheen was excellent in the lead role.
I preferred it to Platoon which, much to my friends' disgust, I wasn't greatly impressed with.
What does everyone else think?
So many subtleties, morals, messages. It shocks, it envokes thought, it excites, it enraptures - personally, I really enjoyed it. The acting was spot on with many great performers (Marlon Brando, Robert Duvall, Dennis Hopper, to name a few) making short but very sweet appearances. Even Francis Ford Coppola had a brief cameo, but this didn't detract from the superb direction. Martin Sheen was excellent in the lead role.
I preferred it to Platoon which, much to my friends' disgust, I wasn't greatly impressed with.
What does everyone else think?
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Well, nipples.
And it kinda shows the models weird lives. One of them is fixated on birds while one of the dudes is undressing her.
And it kinda shows the models weird lives. One of them is fixated on birds while one of the dudes is undressing her.
So it doesn't really serve any purpose?
Maverick42 wrote:
> Cyclone wrote:
> The playgirl bit is alright. Nipples and all.
>
> Go on...
The bit where the boat they're travelling on reaches this remote outpost. It's throwing it down and Martin/Charlie (whichever) Sheen's character trades some supplies for his guys to have some time with the Playboy girls who are at the outpost place on their way back to wherever. All but one of the black guys and Sheen goes with one of them, you get to see each of the men talking to them, fantasising, touching them etc whilst the girls generally come across as the stereotypical model etc
Okay I guess but not as significant an addition (this is extended scene in Redux) as the plantation and the rest, IMO.
> Cyclone wrote:
> The playgirl bit is alright. Nipples and all.
>
> Go on...
The bit where the boat they're travelling on reaches this remote outpost. It's throwing it down and Martin/Charlie (whichever) Sheen's character trades some supplies for his guys to have some time with the Playboy girls who are at the outpost place on their way back to wherever. All but one of the black guys and Sheen goes with one of them, you get to see each of the men talking to them, fantasising, touching them etc whilst the girls generally come across as the stereotypical model etc
Okay I guess but not as significant an addition (this is extended scene in Redux) as the plantation and the rest, IMO.
Cyclone wrote:
> The playgirl bit is alright. Nipples and all.
Go on...
> The playgirl bit is alright. Nipples and all.
Go on...
"Who are you?"
"I'm next!"
Classic film and a great Redux.
"I'm next!"
Classic film and a great Redux.
Ah, but the obvious question to ask yourself when the french guy goes "why are you here" is 'why are they there?'?
Pandaemonium wrote:
> http://www.awesomefilm.com/script/apocalypsenow_draft.txt
Ok, I've checked the link and its still working.
"Inspired by Joseph Conrad's "HEART OF DARKNESS"."
"December 3, 1975."
So it's more seventies than sixties, and definately more influenced by HOD. :)
> http://www.awesomefilm.com/script/apocalypsenow_draft.txt
Ok, I've checked the link and its still working.
"Inspired by Joseph Conrad's "HEART OF DARKNESS"."
"December 3, 1975."
So it's more seventies than sixties, and definately more influenced by HOD. :)
Cyclone wrote:
> I believe it's Heart of Darkness as told in Vietnam. Obviously it's
> commenting on the horrors of Vietnam and the war itself as well as
> the horror of man, but Heart of Darkness is the main focus - at least
> in the latter part of the film. In a way, I agree with you - 'it's
> the Vietnam War from a certain point of view'. True, but it's the
> Heart of Darkness point of view.
Yup. fully agree.
if you are interested: -
http://www.awesomefilm.com/script/apocalypsenow_draft.txt
An early draft of the movie. I haven't read it for a while but its either more, or less "Heart Of Darkness." in its influence (More, I think) The ending is totally different, and its all in all a lot more psycadelic and sixties. It's an excellent and entertaining read.
> I believe it's Heart of Darkness as told in Vietnam. Obviously it's
> commenting on the horrors of Vietnam and the war itself as well as
> the horror of man, but Heart of Darkness is the main focus - at least
> in the latter part of the film. In a way, I agree with you - 'it's
> the Vietnam War from a certain point of view'. True, but it's the
> Heart of Darkness point of view.
Yup. fully agree.
if you are interested: -
http://www.awesomefilm.com/script/apocalypsenow_draft.txt
An early draft of the movie. I haven't read it for a while but its either more, or less "Heart Of Darkness." in its influence (More, I think) The ending is totally different, and its all in all a lot more psycadelic and sixties. It's an excellent and entertaining read.
Belldandy wrote:
> Cyclone wrote:
> Hmm. The French plantation bit is kind of uneccessary in a way.
>
> How can you say that?
>
> It contrasts with the world the war take place in, all these french
> people still living thousands of miles from France yet believing they
> have the right to, whilst criticising America. There is a certain
> level of irony and hypocrisy in what they say. There's tons more to
> it as well, but that is, I feel, the basis of why it's important it
> is in there.
Certainly, I said in a way. It does obviously shed more interesting light on the film and I do love the bit where the owner is stabbing his finger at them and saying 'Why are you here?!'. It's interesting, but with Kurtz and co, it's not as important.
>
> Whilst it is based on heart of darkness I think it's wrong to say
> that it is the main subject of it or mereley a modern retelling of
> it, it's the Vietnam War from a certain point of view.
I believe it's Heart of Darkness as told in Vietnam. Obviously it's commenting on the horrors of Vietnam and the war itself as well as the horror of man, but Heart of Darkness is the main focus - at least in the latter part of the film. In a way, I agree with you - 'it's the Vietnam War from a certain point of view'. True, but it's the Heart of Darkness point of view.
> Cyclone wrote:
> Hmm. The French plantation bit is kind of uneccessary in a way.
>
> How can you say that?
>
> It contrasts with the world the war take place in, all these french
> people still living thousands of miles from France yet believing they
> have the right to, whilst criticising America. There is a certain
> level of irony and hypocrisy in what they say. There's tons more to
> it as well, but that is, I feel, the basis of why it's important it
> is in there.
Certainly, I said in a way. It does obviously shed more interesting light on the film and I do love the bit where the owner is stabbing his finger at them and saying 'Why are you here?!'. It's interesting, but with Kurtz and co, it's not as important.
>
> Whilst it is based on heart of darkness I think it's wrong to say
> that it is the main subject of it or mereley a modern retelling of
> it, it's the Vietnam War from a certain point of view.
I believe it's Heart of Darkness as told in Vietnam. Obviously it's commenting on the horrors of Vietnam and the war itself as well as the horror of man, but Heart of Darkness is the main focus - at least in the latter part of the film. In a way, I agree with you - 'it's the Vietnam War from a certain point of view'. True, but it's the Heart of Darkness point of view.
Yes, if you want the film to be a much more thought provoking and interesting bit of entertainment, and you have an inkling of the history of Vietnam etc then get Redux. If on the other hand you thought there was not enough shooting in the original then the extra scenes will probably be lost on you.
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