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Check out BBC Parliament - they're totally ragging each other to bits with their snidey words. "Those privatising vultures on the other bench" has to be the best quote so far.
On a more political level, the higher education bill will be voted on tonight- It if passes, those of us who plan on going to uni will end up being more so in debt and have to pay in advance too. If it isn't passed then we will not be as much in debt, but some universities will be shut down due to lack of funding - and some subjects such as medicine will be underfunded and have a lack of resources.
Labour want to put the bill through, but the conversatives dont, and nobody invited the Lib Dems to the conference.
The vote is at 7pm, and results will be accounced at about 8 I think.
Personally I hope it doesn't pass, but the labour argument seems to be strong, and they have more seats than the conservatives. The only real way the bill cannot pass is if all the conservatives vote against the bill, and a fair share of the labour MPs vote against their own bill too.
On a more political level, the higher education bill will be voted on tonight- It if passes, those of us who plan on going to uni will end up being more so in debt and have to pay in advance too. If it isn't passed then we will not be as much in debt, but some universities will be shut down due to lack of funding - and some subjects such as medicine will be underfunded and have a lack of resources.
Labour want to put the bill through, but the conversatives dont, and nobody invited the Lib Dems to the conference.
The vote is at 7pm, and results will be accounced at about 8 I think.
Personally I hope it doesn't pass, but the labour argument seems to be strong, and they have more seats than the conservatives. The only real way the bill cannot pass is if all the conservatives vote against the bill, and a fair share of the labour MPs vote against their own bill too.
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Jackus wrote:
> Arn't the government supposed to be offerering money for students?
Only for the poorest? If your parents have a salary over about 18K then you don't get all that money. And the money you are given in a grant form is countered out by the top up fees meaning that you end up owing more to the government than you would under the old system. Under the current system I pay no tuition fees and get around £3000 in a loan each term. Under the new system I'd get about £1000 in a grant and have pay £4000 in fees each year (though not repaid until later).
>And
> if you actually get a job worth diddly squat, you can repay them?
Yep, except you repay more each month than you would under the old system because you owe more overall.
>If
> you get a bad job, you don't necassairily(sp?) have to pay? That's
> what I understand.
After 25 years the loan is written off. What are the odds that your job stays below the 15K a year level eh, for 25 years? And just imagine what 25 years of interest at around 3% is going to do on a balance of around 12-15K...
> Arn't the government supposed to be offerering money for students?
Only for the poorest? If your parents have a salary over about 18K then you don't get all that money. And the money you are given in a grant form is countered out by the top up fees meaning that you end up owing more to the government than you would under the old system. Under the current system I pay no tuition fees and get around £3000 in a loan each term. Under the new system I'd get about £1000 in a grant and have pay £4000 in fees each year (though not repaid until later).
>And
> if you actually get a job worth diddly squat, you can repay them?
Yep, except you repay more each month than you would under the old system because you owe more overall.
>If
> you get a bad job, you don't necassairily(sp?) have to pay? That's
> what I understand.
After 25 years the loan is written off. What are the odds that your job stays below the 15K a year level eh, for 25 years? And just imagine what 25 years of interest at around 3% is going to do on a balance of around 12-15K...
Skarra wrote:
> The Government is between a rock and a hard place. The Uni's are
> banging on for more money,
And this wonderful solution won't supply anywhere near what they need. fantastic plan that; keep the original problem and add a whole new one by annoying many of your supporters.
> but the average folks on the street
> already pay 5/6, and don't want to pay any more.
And? No one wants to pay taxes anyway, and who says they'd have to pay more? The government should direct more of the pie towards universities. They should also stop trying to get every Tom, Dick and Harry into third level education. For far too many people it is now just the easy step after A-Levels. A couple of years dossing about, maybe a few repeated years and changed courses, then...
If you weeded out the people who won't get any benefit from university there'd be a whole lot more money. The country realy doesn't need that many English and Media graduates.
> The Government is between a rock and a hard place. The Uni's are
> banging on for more money,
And this wonderful solution won't supply anywhere near what they need. fantastic plan that; keep the original problem and add a whole new one by annoying many of your supporters.
> but the average folks on the street
> already pay 5/6, and don't want to pay any more.
And? No one wants to pay taxes anyway, and who says they'd have to pay more? The government should direct more of the pie towards universities. They should also stop trying to get every Tom, Dick and Harry into third level education. For far too many people it is now just the easy step after A-Levels. A couple of years dossing about, maybe a few repeated years and changed courses, then...
If you weeded out the people who won't get any benefit from university there'd be a whole lot more money. The country realy doesn't need that many English and Media graduates.
Dr Gonzo wrote:
> If you weeded out the people who won't get any benefit from
> university there'd be a whole lot more money. The country realy
> doesn't need that many English and Media graduates.
I've been saying this for years. But it is the Psychology graduates that annoy me. Because there are so many folk who don't know how we do things, but know why we do them.
They were only ever any good for eyecandy.
> If you weeded out the people who won't get any benefit from
> university there'd be a whole lot more money. The country realy
> doesn't need that many English and Media graduates.
I've been saying this for years. But it is the Psychology graduates that annoy me. Because there are so many folk who don't know how we do things, but know why we do them.
They were only ever any good for eyecandy.
Mmmm eyecandy
Unless things have changed, you'll find them in the Boyd Orr Lecture Theatre's.
tony blair says:
we have little money hence fees will rise and we will confuse people with our system MWHAHAHAHA!!!
i say:
stop making millenuim wasters and speed cameras and stop increasing tax and we might just accept the fact that fees will have to rise
tony blair says:
whats for lunch dear, i am feeling a bit peckish.
we have little money hence fees will rise and we will confuse people with our system MWHAHAHAHA!!!
i say:
stop making millenuim wasters and speed cameras and stop increasing tax and we might just accept the fact that fees will have to rise
tony blair says:
whats for lunch dear, i am feeling a bit peckish.
béSSánt wrote:
> stop making millenuim wasters and speed cameras and stop increasing
> tax and we might just accept the fact that fees will have to rise
Why are you against Speed Cameras???
> stop making millenuim wasters and speed cameras and stop increasing
> tax and we might just accept the fact that fees will have to rise
Why are you against Speed Cameras???
Notorious Biggles wrote:
>
Mmmm the beautiful and ever useful closing tag.
Better still, Psychology, Philosophy, Sociology, English and Media graduates should pay more towards tuiton fees, so those in other, more useful subjects can pay less.
>
Mmmm the beautiful and ever useful closing tag.
Better still, Psychology, Philosophy, Sociology, English and Media graduates should pay more towards tuiton fees, so those in other, more useful subjects can pay less.
Needless to say, at the current rate at which university costs are increasing, my children will be educated abroad to avoid labouring them with debts the size of a decent mortgage at 21.
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