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How unfair and crap, breaking manifesto pledges tsk tsk.

But he'll win because all his Blairites and Blairettes will support him.

Bah

you notice that of the options put forward by the government, not one of them includes either themselves or other highly overpaid people taking a paycut or paying more tax, clearly it's not THAT much of a problem >:-\

that guy who used to run railtrack, made a right mess of it all, was told to resign and given £7 million. £7 million (plus the wage he was on) for doing a bad job, unbelievable.

now that kind of money has to come from somewhere, and the odds are it's our taxes again. the amount of money the working classes pump into the nation doesn't seem to be relative to the amount the upper class spend. £1250 tuition fees may not be a lot to Mr Blairs little boy and his free flat (and extra flat so he has an income.. thanks mummy) but to me it was the 6 weeks that made up the summer break spent working 14 hour days and STILL having to sell my van to afford it. So i needed a loan to help pay my rent/bills/living and i need to save as much of it as i can to put towards NEXT years fees.

Being a mature student i've already done a good few years working since i left school so i figure what i've paid in tax to support previous students can now get spent to help me out. that seems fair. what doesn't seem fair is the continued effort to price average people out of the education market.

Obviously a wage cap would annoy people who genuinely work hard and have earned their position, but it's either that or stop throwing £7 million at a time in the direction of clueless, inept people who do clueless, inept jobs. i get things wrong sometimes and no-one pats me on the back and hands me so much as a tenner and i'm quite sure my mistakes never derailed anything....

Although no one mentioned Blairs excellent little thing he sneaked through with little media attention - interest rates on student loans nearly tripled in September, so if you have a loan, and from September, you pay back nearly three times the interest.

So, just how does making University harder to get into make it more accessable? Many many people every year do not get into University, so it makes no difference.

Uni should be based on ability and potential, not financial power. Yes there is more to ability and potential than just exams and grades.

Supply and demand means that the more graduates out there competing for the same jobs means that a degree is not the advantage it once was. 100 years ago if I had a degree I'd get a better job than anyone else. 50 years ago, ditto. 10 years ago and that was still mostly the case.

But not today. Blair wants 50% of all young people to go to university. But not nearly as many jobs require it. Hence it is pointlessly wasting money. Get it to realistic levels and it costs the government less, the students less and the banks less as there are fewer students to default on their debts.

That just makes more sense. Do we need 10,000 McDonalds workers with £30,000 debts and degrees in psychology?

SHEEPY wrote:
> Instead of increasing financial boundaries they should make it
> intellectually harder to get in to Uni.
>
> Now everybody is there... honestly you should see some of the people
> that walk about my Uni.


My thoughts exactly. If you make Uni harder to get into, and reduce the number of students present, then you can abolish tuition fees altoghether, thus making it more accesable for everyone. I would say that if you can't get at least a B in one of your A-levels, university is not for you.

Hi, I'm Dr. Stupid. Oops!

... the shoulder bones connected to the bone bone

MoJoJoJo wrote:
we don't discrimate against the stupid.

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I make fun of stupid people, then I go and spell discriminate like that. For shame.

Er, I think you're thinking of the early 1900s, SHEEPY, but that's OK, in communism - we don't discrimate against the stupid. We make them doctors.

Exactly, storm the Winter Palace take that Czar.