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in this eternal life every man and nation is not bestowed with all the good things by the devine, this is a precious understanding. but we mostly fail to realise this so we fail to tame our mind and it becomes occupied by jealousy, which leads us to war.
now a days we mostly find that the rulers of certain developed nations are always practicing the war culture, they are mostly using science for the development of weapons, which is the finest means of snatching wealth from the weaker nations. so we can comment that these rulers are against mankind and they are simply followers of devil.
the rulers and their associates are encouraging simple people to go to war, which in turn bringing immens misery for mass people. the arrogant rulers are mostly engaged in such kind of activities which are against social justice and global environment.
it is very miserable to find some wise people as the associates of the arrogant rulers and their support for war. it is the meanest way to occupy another people or nation's wealth through war and thus demolishing culture of other people and society.
now a days we mostly find that the rulers of certain developed nations are always practicing the war culture, they are mostly using science for the development of weapons, which is the finest means of snatching wealth from the weaker nations. so we can comment that these rulers are against mankind and they are simply followers of devil.
the rulers and their associates are encouraging simple people to go to war, which in turn bringing immens misery for mass people. the arrogant rulers are mostly engaged in such kind of activities which are against social justice and global environment.
it is very miserable to find some wise people as the associates of the arrogant rulers and their support for war. it is the meanest way to occupy another people or nation's wealth through war and thus demolishing culture of other people and society.
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Hmm...y'know, looking at the original post I find myself wondering why the board is being plagued with empty headed godbotherers who type their poorly understood slogans with nary a thought in their head. Is it the time of the year or something?
Skarra wrote:
> He wasn't a threat. Well, perhaps not to us, but to his own people he
> was.
...and yet you still haven't said one peep about the many many western supported governments who are a threat to their own people...
>
> Also, you don't need to rebuild fast for a stable country. It took
> decades to rebuild Germany, and their ok. Rapid re-building helps,
> but sometimes just isn't possible. In Iraq, it is going as quickly as
> possible, but to most Iraqi's, this isn't fast enough, but there is
> nothing that can be done.
...except that Iraq isn't a stable country, is it? Germany was a thoroughly industrialised nation that was rebuilt with very little trouble. There were no terrorists killing allied and soviet soldiers at the rate of one a day, were there?
>
> And why is the oil for food program a bit dodgy. Is was a good idea,
> until Saddam started using it to his own ends. So the program was
> fine, just Saddam that wasn't.
It's dodgy because even though we all knew what it was actually being used for, we and the US still bought the oil and so we put the money directly into Saddam's pockets. Kinda hypocritical really.
>
> And on the war in general, and the grounds for it.
>
> Well, the US guy in charge in Iraq said the other day,
> 200 years down the line, which will Historians view as more
> important, the liberation of 25 Million people, or the whole WMD
> issue? I thing they will find the liberation of a country outweights
> the WMD stuff.
Will they indeed? I've pointed this out to you before and you've declined to address it, so I'll raise the issue again;
Is Iraq liberated? It's a few months after the end of the war (though the killings go on); don't you think it's premature to say that the people of Iraq are free?
As to your attempt to dismiss the lies told by government in order to justify a war, well looking at past leaders who have been caught out in lies (Eden, Wilson, Nixon), history has pretty much villified them.
Finally, 200 years down the line is one thing; what about now? You're happy to be lied to and manipulated as long as the news keeps telling you that, despite the constant stream of deaths, a country has been 'liberated'?
> He wasn't a threat. Well, perhaps not to us, but to his own people he
> was.
...and yet you still haven't said one peep about the many many western supported governments who are a threat to their own people...
>
> Also, you don't need to rebuild fast for a stable country. It took
> decades to rebuild Germany, and their ok. Rapid re-building helps,
> but sometimes just isn't possible. In Iraq, it is going as quickly as
> possible, but to most Iraqi's, this isn't fast enough, but there is
> nothing that can be done.
...except that Iraq isn't a stable country, is it? Germany was a thoroughly industrialised nation that was rebuilt with very little trouble. There were no terrorists killing allied and soviet soldiers at the rate of one a day, were there?
>
> And why is the oil for food program a bit dodgy. Is was a good idea,
> until Saddam started using it to his own ends. So the program was
> fine, just Saddam that wasn't.
It's dodgy because even though we all knew what it was actually being used for, we and the US still bought the oil and so we put the money directly into Saddam's pockets. Kinda hypocritical really.
>
> And on the war in general, and the grounds for it.
>
> Well, the US guy in charge in Iraq said the other day,
> 200 years down the line, which will Historians view as more
> important, the liberation of 25 Million people, or the whole WMD
> issue? I thing they will find the liberation of a country outweights
> the WMD stuff.
Will they indeed? I've pointed this out to you before and you've declined to address it, so I'll raise the issue again;
Is Iraq liberated? It's a few months after the end of the war (though the killings go on); don't you think it's premature to say that the people of Iraq are free?
As to your attempt to dismiss the lies told by government in order to justify a war, well looking at past leaders who have been caught out in lies (Eden, Wilson, Nixon), history has pretty much villified them.
Finally, 200 years down the line is one thing; what about now? You're happy to be lied to and manipulated as long as the news keeps telling you that, despite the constant stream of deaths, a country has been 'liberated'?
spoonbeast wrote:
> This is about iraq yeah? well, the war was dodgy. Yes its nice to
> over throw saddam and all but no, its not really worth it because he
> wasn't a threat in the first place. Also if you wanted a stable
> country then you need to rebuild it fast. Also the oil for food
> policy is a bit dodgy.
He wasn't a threat. Well, perhaps not to us, but to his own people he was.
Also, you don't need to rebuild fast for a stable country. It took decades to rebuild Germany, and their ok. Rapid re-building helps, but sometimes just isn't possible. In Iraq, it is going as quickly as possible, but to most Iraqi's, this isn't fast enough, but there is nothing that can be done.
And why is the oil for food program a bit dodgy. Is was a good idea, until Saddam started using it to his own ends. So the program was fine, just Saddam that wasn't.
And on the war in general, and the grounds for it.
Well, the US guy in charge in Iraq said the other day,
200 years down the line, which will Historians view as more important, the liberation of 25 Million people, or the whole WMD issue? I thing they will find the liberation of a country outweights the WMD stuff.
> This is about iraq yeah? well, the war was dodgy. Yes its nice to
> over throw saddam and all but no, its not really worth it because he
> wasn't a threat in the first place. Also if you wanted a stable
> country then you need to rebuild it fast. Also the oil for food
> policy is a bit dodgy.
He wasn't a threat. Well, perhaps not to us, but to his own people he was.
Also, you don't need to rebuild fast for a stable country. It took decades to rebuild Germany, and their ok. Rapid re-building helps, but sometimes just isn't possible. In Iraq, it is going as quickly as possible, but to most Iraqi's, this isn't fast enough, but there is nothing that can be done.
And why is the oil for food program a bit dodgy. Is was a good idea, until Saddam started using it to his own ends. So the program was fine, just Saddam that wasn't.
And on the war in general, and the grounds for it.
Well, the US guy in charge in Iraq said the other day,
200 years down the line, which will Historians view as more important, the liberation of 25 Million people, or the whole WMD issue? I thing they will find the liberation of a country outweights the WMD stuff.
bon bon wrote:
> in this eternal life every man and nation is not bestowed with all the
> good things by the devine, this is a precious understanding. but we
> mostly fail to realise this so we fail to tame our mind and it
> becomes occupied by jealousy, which leads us to war.
War is not always about jealousy, sure, it is sometimes, like Iraq invading Kuwait. However, take the Bulkans, countries such as the US, UK and others went to war their, and that wasn't about jealousy.
> now a days we mostly find that the rulers of certain developed
> nations are always practicing the war culture, they are mostly using
> science for the development of weapons, which is the finest means of
> snatching wealth from the weaker nations. so we can comment that
> these rulers are against mankind and they are simply followers of
> devil.
I wouldn't call a war lord the son of Satan. Sure, what they do is wrong, but their may be other reasons for the wars they rage. I'm not saying they are good reasons, but they may not be solely about jealousy.
> the rulers and their associates are encouraging simple people to go
> to war, which in turn bringing immens misery for mass people. the
> arrogant rulers are mostly engaged in such kind of activities which
> are against social justice and global environment.
Are you still talking about the War lord type person here, or rulers who advocate war in general. If you are talking about rulers that take their nation to war, perhaps you should look at the Second World War. Places such as England and France didn't want War, in fact they went out of their way to avoid it, perhaps costing more lives, but thats another discussion. Anyway, they didn't want war, but it was unavoidable. They wern't jealouse of what Hitler had, but he had to be stopped.
> it is very miserable to find some wise people as the associates of
> the arrogant rulers and their support for war. it is the meanest way
> to occupy another people or nation's wealth through war and thus
> demolishing culture of other people and society.
Again, look at the Bulkans. The west went to war their, and although their is a lot of work to be done, the war made things better their.
You seems to think that all wars are about jealousy. This is not so.
Granted, some wars are, however, some wars are unavoidable. And although the actual wars are horrible, their effects can be of a benificial nature.
> in this eternal life every man and nation is not bestowed with all the
> good things by the devine, this is a precious understanding. but we
> mostly fail to realise this so we fail to tame our mind and it
> becomes occupied by jealousy, which leads us to war.
War is not always about jealousy, sure, it is sometimes, like Iraq invading Kuwait. However, take the Bulkans, countries such as the US, UK and others went to war their, and that wasn't about jealousy.
> now a days we mostly find that the rulers of certain developed
> nations are always practicing the war culture, they are mostly using
> science for the development of weapons, which is the finest means of
> snatching wealth from the weaker nations. so we can comment that
> these rulers are against mankind and they are simply followers of
> devil.
I wouldn't call a war lord the son of Satan. Sure, what they do is wrong, but their may be other reasons for the wars they rage. I'm not saying they are good reasons, but they may not be solely about jealousy.
> the rulers and their associates are encouraging simple people to go
> to war, which in turn bringing immens misery for mass people. the
> arrogant rulers are mostly engaged in such kind of activities which
> are against social justice and global environment.
Are you still talking about the War lord type person here, or rulers who advocate war in general. If you are talking about rulers that take their nation to war, perhaps you should look at the Second World War. Places such as England and France didn't want War, in fact they went out of their way to avoid it, perhaps costing more lives, but thats another discussion. Anyway, they didn't want war, but it was unavoidable. They wern't jealouse of what Hitler had, but he had to be stopped.
> it is very miserable to find some wise people as the associates of
> the arrogant rulers and their support for war. it is the meanest way
> to occupy another people or nation's wealth through war and thus
> demolishing culture of other people and society.
Again, look at the Bulkans. The west went to war their, and although their is a lot of work to be done, the war made things better their.
You seems to think that all wars are about jealousy. This is not so.
Granted, some wars are, however, some wars are unavoidable. And although the actual wars are horrible, their effects can be of a benificial nature.
bon bon wrote:
> in this eternal life every man and nation is not bestowed with all the
> good things by the devine, this is a precious understanding. but we
> mostly fail to realise this so we fail to tame our mind and it
> becomes occupied by jealousy, which leads us to war.
Most wars i guess. But some are for religous reasons or 9/11 attack by bin laden (due to the belief of American culture killing off arabian or foregin cultures). War was the fastest way for a country to gain wealth and technology and power. But the UN should attempt more in trying to stop the violence of countries.
> now a days we mostly find that the rulers of certain developed
> nations are always practicing the war culture, they are mostly using
> science for the development of weapons, which is the finest means of
> snatching wealth from the weaker nations. so we can comment that
> these rulers are against mankind and they are simply followers of
> devil.
War culture (as in training?) is practiced to defend one self. Hence why special forces and soldiers are made incase of a war breaks out in their country or their country needs law and order. but war culture to attack all only supermerousy is wrong (maybe racist as well)
Whiles Building better weapons was to maintain safety such as the atomic bomb. To save lives of the us soldiers, they dropped them and to use it as a bargaining chip with stalin. But i wonder if super or better weapons scare people into holding back if they don't use them?. Don't forget we trade more then just weapons. China for example we could buy their cheap mas produced toys or chile for their fruit. But truthfully, if theres a market for them, its up to the country if they want to buy them or not.
> the rulers and their associates are encouraging simple people to go
> to war, which in turn bringing immens misery for mass people. the
> arrogant rulers are mostly engaged in such kind of activities which
> are against social justice and global environment.
In the west, this isn't true because we have a democracy and provided we have enough support against the war, theres a chance for it to stop. check vietnam for example. But dictators in non democratic countries couldn't care less what happens to its people as they have control over them. But depends how war is commenced, to defend a persons freedom like in poland against the nazis or to invade it takes 2 to start a war. Whether the war is good or not depends on where you stand in the conflict.
> it is very miserable to find some wise people as the associates of
> the arrogant rulers and their support for war. it is the meanest way
> to occupy another people or nation's wealth through war and thus
> demolishing culture of other people and society.
This is about iraq yeah? well, the war was dodgy. Yes its nice to over throw saddam and all but no, its not really worth it because he wasn't a threat in the first place. Also if you wanted a stable country then you need to rebuild it fast. Also the oil for food policy is a bit dodgy.
> in this eternal life every man and nation is not bestowed with all the
> good things by the devine, this is a precious understanding. but we
> mostly fail to realise this so we fail to tame our mind and it
> becomes occupied by jealousy, which leads us to war.
Most wars i guess. But some are for religous reasons or 9/11 attack by bin laden (due to the belief of American culture killing off arabian or foregin cultures). War was the fastest way for a country to gain wealth and technology and power. But the UN should attempt more in trying to stop the violence of countries.
> now a days we mostly find that the rulers of certain developed
> nations are always practicing the war culture, they are mostly using
> science for the development of weapons, which is the finest means of
> snatching wealth from the weaker nations. so we can comment that
> these rulers are against mankind and they are simply followers of
> devil.
War culture (as in training?) is practiced to defend one self. Hence why special forces and soldiers are made incase of a war breaks out in their country or their country needs law and order. but war culture to attack all only supermerousy is wrong (maybe racist as well)
Whiles Building better weapons was to maintain safety such as the atomic bomb. To save lives of the us soldiers, they dropped them and to use it as a bargaining chip with stalin. But i wonder if super or better weapons scare people into holding back if they don't use them?. Don't forget we trade more then just weapons. China for example we could buy their cheap mas produced toys or chile for their fruit. But truthfully, if theres a market for them, its up to the country if they want to buy them or not.
> the rulers and their associates are encouraging simple people to go
> to war, which in turn bringing immens misery for mass people. the
> arrogant rulers are mostly engaged in such kind of activities which
> are against social justice and global environment.
In the west, this isn't true because we have a democracy and provided we have enough support against the war, theres a chance for it to stop. check vietnam for example. But dictators in non democratic countries couldn't care less what happens to its people as they have control over them. But depends how war is commenced, to defend a persons freedom like in poland against the nazis or to invade it takes 2 to start a war. Whether the war is good or not depends on where you stand in the conflict.
> it is very miserable to find some wise people as the associates of
> the arrogant rulers and their support for war. it is the meanest way
> to occupy another people or nation's wealth through war and thus
> demolishing culture of other people and society.
This is about iraq yeah? well, the war was dodgy. Yes its nice to over throw saddam and all but no, its not really worth it because he wasn't a threat in the first place. Also if you wanted a stable country then you need to rebuild it fast. Also the oil for food policy is a bit dodgy.
in this eternal life every man and nation is not bestowed with all the good things by the devine, this is a precious understanding. but we mostly fail to realise this so we fail to tame our mind and it becomes occupied by jealousy, which leads us to war.
now a days we mostly find that the rulers of certain developed nations are always practicing the war culture, they are mostly using science for the development of weapons, which is the finest means of snatching wealth from the weaker nations. so we can comment that these rulers are against mankind and they are simply followers of devil.
the rulers and their associates are encouraging simple people to go to war, which in turn bringing immens misery for mass people. the arrogant rulers are mostly engaged in such kind of activities which are against social justice and global environment.
it is very miserable to find some wise people as the associates of the arrogant rulers and their support for war. it is the meanest way to occupy another people or nation's wealth through war and thus demolishing culture of other people and society.
now a days we mostly find that the rulers of certain developed nations are always practicing the war culture, they are mostly using science for the development of weapons, which is the finest means of snatching wealth from the weaker nations. so we can comment that these rulers are against mankind and they are simply followers of devil.
the rulers and their associates are encouraging simple people to go to war, which in turn bringing immens misery for mass people. the arrogant rulers are mostly engaged in such kind of activities which are against social justice and global environment.
it is very miserable to find some wise people as the associates of the arrogant rulers and their support for war. it is the meanest way to occupy another people or nation's wealth through war and thus demolishing culture of other people and society.
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