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Wed 03/12/03 at 11:24
"slightlyshortertagl"
Posts: 10,759
10 minutes.

Give me questions for Tony.
I'm going for an 'audience' with him, representing 16-24 year olds.

Any questions you want to ask him?

Quick.
Quick.
Quick.
Wed 03/12/03 at 19:38
"slightlyshortertagl"
Posts: 10,759
50% is quite an accpetable target...

The current rate (as I found out from a former head of the NUS today) is 43%
Wed 03/12/03 at 19:07
Regular
"smile, it's free"
Posts: 6,460
50% of young people is an absolutely ridiculous target. There are enough complete and utter morons getting into universities as it is, without bringing more aboard.

The net result will be that Universities will find they have to cope with far less able students, thus forcing them to lower the difficulty of their courses to compensate.

Degrees will turn into the complete joke that is the current A-level system.
Wed 03/12/03 at 18:19
Regular
Posts: 20,776
you may have been on the bbc1 six o clock news.

there was a brief clip of him in a school being heckled and chased with placards and pelted with wads of wet toilet paper
Wed 03/12/03 at 18:16
"I love yo... lamp."
Posts: 19,577
In ideal country, seeing as I pay enough in tax as it is I would like to have no tuition fees.

But then I'd also prefer Tony's target of 50% of young people going to uni being revoked as it makes a degree worth less. The more people who have one, the less it stands out. And besides, how many psychologists and marine biologists does the country need?
Wed 03/12/03 at 15:42
Regular
Posts: 8,220
I always felt the biggest problem with top-up fees was the option to vary costs.

It'll probably mean the best unis are the most expensive, and people from poorer backgrounds will typically opt for the cheaper ones.

Plus, despite recent struggles to prevent Oxbridge postcode elitism, those unis move back in the direction of cutting out the working class scum...


I really can't decide whether it's right for uni students to pay tuition fees at all though. I'm completely split on the issue :^S
Wed 03/12/03 at 14:44
"Darkness, always"
Posts: 9,603
If you'd read my post a little more carefully, you'd notice that Uni's aren't getting much money out of this scheme anyway, meaning they'll be back next year asking for more.

The bottom line of this issue is that fewer people will be looking for degrees, and more will go looking for useful courses that they can apply to a job, eventually devaluing degree qualifications anyway. That'll be funny to watch I suppose.
Wed 03/12/03 at 14:38
Regular
"Stay Frosty"
Posts: 742
Insane Bartender wrote:
> Hehe, just read up on the entire payments scheme for top-up fees. It's
> actually more of a way for the government to put together a vast
> loans scheme to make money from, rather than any genuine benefit to
> education.
>
> Unless all universities charge the full £3,000, the net gain to
> their annual budgets by charging a only little more is in the region
> of about 2-3% up to a max of about 6%.
>
> Will this allow Universities to (as they claim themselves) maintain
> and improve on their current quality of education? Will it balls. It
> allows them to pay their tutors yet more than they do already (you'll
> see more mix'n'match MG cars on campus than there already are), and
> possible not have to cook complete crap in the canteens. Beyond that,
> there will be little difference.
>
> *slow claps*
>
> Well done Tony. Of course, the Tories will be in power by the time
> the positive effects of your loans scheme kick in, but nice one all
> the same.

With regards to top up fees, i'm all against them, but i know it's not Tony's fault.

The Uni's are saying to him, right, either we get more money, or less people can come to our Uni.

Now he thinks, he introduces top up fees, and of 50 people, 25 decide not to go because of the cost. It he doesn't introduce top up fees, those 50 people arn't even given the chance to go to Uni.

Catch 22 if you ask me.
Wed 03/12/03 at 12:06
Regular
"Pouch Ape"
Posts: 14,499
"Do you ever leave dog treats in funny places, so that Dave Blunkett's guide dog leads him astray by 'accident'?"
Wed 03/12/03 at 11:50
Regular
Posts: 14,437
What word starts with the letter 'E', ends with the letter 'E' and contains only one letter?

That should give him something to think about.
Or not, but he won't see it coming...
Wed 03/12/03 at 11:50
"Darkness, always"
Posts: 9,603
Hehe, just read up on the entire payments scheme for top-up fees. It's actually more of a way for the government to put together a vast loans scheme to make money from, rather than any genuine benefit to education.

Unless all universities charge the full £3,000, the net gain to their annual budgets by charging a only little more is in the region of about 2-3% up to a max of about 6%.

Will this allow Universities to (as they claim themselves) maintain and improve on their current quality of education? Will it balls. It allows them to pay their tutors yet more than they do already (you'll see more mix'n'match MG cars on campus than there already are), and possible not have to cook complete crap in the canteens. Beyond that, there will be little difference.

*slow claps*

Well done Tony. Of course, the Tories will be in power by the time the positive effects of your loans scheme kick in, but nice one all the same.

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