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Give me questions for Tony.
I'm going for an 'audience' with him, representing 16-24 year olds.
Any questions you want to ask him?
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Give me questions for Tony.
I'm going for an 'audience' with him, representing 16-24 year olds.
Any questions you want to ask him?
Quick.
Quick.
Quick.
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tell him to ban smokin instead of millions dying a year. or at least in public places
I'd sooner have more foreign students.
Too many British ones just can't be arsed, they may have come for the education, but they stay for the time wasting, non-working and any old certificate at the end of it.
That's not to cast a generalisation over all students, but there are a lot (or were at my uni) who are like that, and it spoils it for everyone else. In a similar way to how you think feoreign studnets bring the standard down for you.
Whereas foreign students bring some diversity to the area, and IMO, have as much right to be there as any other students. For the most part they are of sufficient ability, otherwise they wouldn't have been accepted.
Too many British ones just can't be arsed, they may have come for the education, but they stay for the time wasting, non-working and any old certificate at the end of it.
That's not to cast a generalisation over all students, but there are a lot (or were at my uni) who are like that, and it spoils it for everyone else. In a similar way to how you think feoreign studnets bring the standard down for you.
Whereas foreign students bring some diversity to the area, and IMO, have as much right to be there as any other students. For the most part they are of sufficient ability, otherwise they wouldn't have been accepted.
Well they did choose to come here, therefore they chose to pay...
They do, however, pay at least some five or six times as much in tuition fees as you do already.
Yeah, I don't mind paying a graduate tax after meeting a level of pay, so long as it can PAY FOR ALL WINDOWS MACHINES in the CompSci Department. Only joking - seriously though, if this is the only way to keep up with standards than so be it. But if I see more Jags in the car park, I will be more than p!ssed off.
Secondly, though I'm sure they bring in more money than "home" students, foreigners can be a masive burden in terms of additional tuition and unnecessary information in notes, lectures. For example, we were given a thick handout recently to help us write a forthcoming essay/presentation - but instead of concentrating on things like presentation of words, style, concise writing - we get patronising advice on how to put full stops at the end of sentences, all for the foreigners - and in particular - the Chinese, which seem to be a major contingent in our department because of some Northern-Pacific consortium crap.
And they also make a fair bit of racket in laboratories too. They are annoying.
Secondly, though I'm sure they bring in more money than "home" students, foreigners can be a masive burden in terms of additional tuition and unnecessary information in notes, lectures. For example, we were given a thick handout recently to help us write a forthcoming essay/presentation - but instead of concentrating on things like presentation of words, style, concise writing - we get patronising advice on how to put full stops at the end of sentences, all for the foreigners - and in particular - the Chinese, which seem to be a major contingent in our department because of some Northern-Pacific consortium crap.
And they also make a fair bit of racket in laboratories too. They are annoying.
Universities should be taking the best minds in the country, the intellectual elite and elevating them. Yes more people than ever before may want to go to university because on average the salary of a graduate is higher, but you have too many elite and they are no longer elite.
If people want further or higher education then there are colleges. The best solution I think would be the one the did away with, polytechnics.
That way people get a better education, more focused and something that can help them in their chosen career. But it also preserves the status of a degree.
Colleges would be fine except in recent years they have in many cases become little more than a dumping ground for school drop outs and a way to fiddle the unemployment figures.
Yes, I am sure that more people want a degree. It gives them prestige and better job prospects, mainly because not everyone has one. It also puts them in the ever burgeoning intellectual elite. But as VB pointed out, many of them are not.
In short, the only way I can see to preserve the status of university and degrees, plus keeping the job market balanced is to have an elite. There are more unskilled or semi skilled jobs out there than there are highly skilled jobs. But if 50% of the country have a degree, then there will be too many people competing for the same highly skilled jobs.
The best way to fund the universities is just to get some sort of graduate tax after a certain pay level. But before that university should be free.
If people want further or higher education then there are colleges. The best solution I think would be the one the did away with, polytechnics.
That way people get a better education, more focused and something that can help them in their chosen career. But it also preserves the status of a degree.
Colleges would be fine except in recent years they have in many cases become little more than a dumping ground for school drop outs and a way to fiddle the unemployment figures.
Yes, I am sure that more people want a degree. It gives them prestige and better job prospects, mainly because not everyone has one. It also puts them in the ever burgeoning intellectual elite. But as VB pointed out, many of them are not.
In short, the only way I can see to preserve the status of university and degrees, plus keeping the job market balanced is to have an elite. There are more unskilled or semi skilled jobs out there than there are highly skilled jobs. But if 50% of the country have a degree, then there will be too many people competing for the same highly skilled jobs.
The best way to fund the universities is just to get some sort of graduate tax after a certain pay level. But before that university should be free.
Placements?
If by that you mean that they're not getting in because they can't seem to get picked for any of the available places at Uni's, I've got no sympathy. Get some half decent grades and you can get in somewhere without any trouble. If you don't get the grades, then as I said, you shouldn't be going.
If it's something completely different, I take it all back, and I'b be interested to know exactly why they aren't going.
If by that you mean that they're not getting in because they can't seem to get picked for any of the available places at Uni's, I've got no sympathy. Get some half decent grades and you can get in somewhere without any trouble. If you don't get the grades, then as I said, you shouldn't be going.
If it's something completely different, I take it all back, and I'b be interested to know exactly why they aren't going.
VB, all these new people into uni aren't just more mongs, but people who actually want to go to university, but can't because of placements.
There are still a massive amount of people out there who want to go to uni, but can't.
I didn't make this up, this is from that Laura person who was my 'MP' fopr the day :-S
There are still a massive amount of people out there who want to go to uni, but can't.
I didn't make this up, this is from that Laura person who was my 'MP' fopr the day :-S
monkey_man wrote:
> "Do you ever leave dog treats in funny places, so that Dave
> Blunkett's guide dog leads him astray by 'accident'?"
*laughs out loud*
> "Do you ever leave dog treats in funny places, so that Dave
> Blunkett's guide dog leads him astray by 'accident'?"
*laughs out loud*
Exactly!
All univeristies below the top twenty are pratically swarming with people who really aren't that bright - or have no intention of doing the work.
As things stand, the percentage of students getting a third class degree ranges from something like 8-15%. A third class degree is an absolute joke. A monkey could do better in most cases. Anyone who gets a third class degree is lacking either the intelligence or motivation for further education, and should not be at university.
A 2:2 doesn't represent a particularly great achievement either - just an understanding of most of the fundamental priciples, and the ability to hand in work.
This all depends somewhat on the course and university, obviously (so anyone who I've offended can feel this doesn't apply to them).
Suppose you up the number of students from 43->50%, lets call that a 15% increase. I'd assume at least 2/3 of those didn't go to Uni because they didn't have either the desire or the intelligence to get that far. The other 1/3 we'll assume were victims of circumstance. This woudl mean that you're going to bump up the number of students working at the level which will get a third to 18-25%. That's utterly ridicolous.
It's a huge, huge waste of money on people who really would be better off elsewhere.
All univeristies below the top twenty are pratically swarming with people who really aren't that bright - or have no intention of doing the work.
As things stand, the percentage of students getting a third class degree ranges from something like 8-15%. A third class degree is an absolute joke. A monkey could do better in most cases. Anyone who gets a third class degree is lacking either the intelligence or motivation for further education, and should not be at university.
A 2:2 doesn't represent a particularly great achievement either - just an understanding of most of the fundamental priciples, and the ability to hand in work.
This all depends somewhat on the course and university, obviously (so anyone who I've offended can feel this doesn't apply to them).
Suppose you up the number of students from 43->50%, lets call that a 15% increase. I'd assume at least 2/3 of those didn't go to Uni because they didn't have either the desire or the intelligence to get that far. The other 1/3 we'll assume were victims of circumstance. This woudl mean that you're going to bump up the number of students working at the level which will get a third to 18-25%. That's utterly ridicolous.
It's a huge, huge waste of money on people who really would be better off elsewhere.
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