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Have you heard about the recent case of a woman having an abortion because she found out that the child would have had a cleft palate and lip?
It's caused something of an uproar because the abortion took place after the 24th week of pregnancy, something that is illegal under the 1967 Abortion Act - unless it is proven that the child will have a serious disability.
A cleft palate and lip is not a serious disability. I know a woman that had a child with a cleft palate. The child had a few operations, and now you'd never know the difference.
Given that this is sometihng that can be corrected with surgery, and it's hardly a new operation, it's hard to see the justification for having the child aborted.
With new technology coming in the field of ultrasounds, parents will be able to see their children in even more detail than before, long before they're ever born. So if we don't like the look of them, or if we think that they might need an operation or two when they're young, can we just get rid of them...? Surely not.
The other question it raises, is whether good looks are now that important in this fickle world, that anyone with any disfigurement is at a serious disadvantage.
Any thoughts?
It's caused something of an uproar because the abortion took place after the 24th week of pregnancy, something that is illegal under the 1967 Abortion Act - unless it is proven that the child will have a serious disability.
A cleft palate and lip is not a serious disability. I know a woman that had a child with a cleft palate. The child had a few operations, and now you'd never know the difference.
Given that this is sometihng that can be corrected with surgery, and it's hardly a new operation, it's hard to see the justification for having the child aborted.
With new technology coming in the field of ultrasounds, parents will be able to see their children in even more detail than before, long before they're ever born. So if we don't like the look of them, or if we think that they might need an operation or two when they're young, can we just get rid of them...? Surely not.
The other question it raises, is whether good looks are now that important in this fickle world, that anyone with any disfigurement is at a serious disadvantage.
Any thoughts?
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pb wrote:
> It's all very well to say it is wrong (which I completely agree with)
> but would it be right and ethical to impose a complete ban on the
> operation, as is the situation in Northern Ireland?
A complete ban would be the worst possible outcome. A mother should always have the right to choose whether or not she has a child.
> It's all very well to say it is wrong (which I completely agree with)
> but would it be right and ethical to impose a complete ban on the
> operation, as is the situation in Northern Ireland?
A complete ban would be the worst possible outcome. A mother should always have the right to choose whether or not she has a child.
cookie monster wrote:
> Anyway, if this cleft palatte could not be fixed by surgery then i
> question the mothers decision less. If the child was born with this
> disfigurement then the child would undoubtedly suffer some fairly
> harsh ridicule when it started to attend school.
But, that's like saying: "You can have an abortion if you think other kids'll make fun of your child".
Well, maybe not that simple, but most people have got something that kids'll ridicule.
> Anyway, if this cleft palatte could not be fixed by surgery then i
> question the mothers decision less. If the child was born with this
> disfigurement then the child would undoubtedly suffer some fairly
> harsh ridicule when it started to attend school.
But, that's like saying: "You can have an abortion if you think other kids'll make fun of your child".
Well, maybe not that simple, but most people have got something that kids'll ridicule.
This case may be over, but there are a thousand others like it and it will surely open the floodgates for some sort of legislation.
ie: Read my last post!
Should we make it illegal for abortion or certain types of abortion? Should there be no law at all on the time at which a foetus can be aborted?
ie: Read my last post!
Should we make it illegal for abortion or certain types of abortion? Should there be no law at all on the time at which a foetus can be aborted?
Timmargh wrote:
> The sagacious one wrote:
> Tubes? You have more than one tube? Squirt city!
>
> Have you seen those old English comedies where there's a leaking pipe
> that's gushing water out of about 5 different places and the Frank
> Spencer-type bloke is trying to stem the flow? That's me having a
> p***, that is.
>
> True story.
I know a man that can play the trumpet, he can show you how to hold it.
Anyway, if this cleft palatte could not be fixed by surgery then i question the mothers decision less. If the child was born with this disfigurement then the child would undoubtedly suffer some fairly harsh ridicule when it started to attend school.
> The sagacious one wrote:
> Tubes? You have more than one tube? Squirt city!
>
> Have you seen those old English comedies where there's a leaking pipe
> that's gushing water out of about 5 different places and the Frank
> Spencer-type bloke is trying to stem the flow? That's me having a
> p***, that is.
>
> True story.
I know a man that can play the trumpet, he can show you how to hold it.
Anyway, if this cleft palatte could not be fixed by surgery then i question the mothers decision less. If the child was born with this disfigurement then the child would undoubtedly suffer some fairly harsh ridicule when it started to attend school.
Timmargh wrote:
> The sagacious one wrote:
> Tubes? You have more than one tube? Squirt city!
>
> Have you seen those old English comedies where there's a leaking pipe
> that's gushing water out of about 5 different places and the Frank
> Spencer-type bloke is trying to stem the flow? That's me having a
> p***, that is.
>
> True story.
I bet you agitate people in public toilets. You'll be at one end, they'll be at 't other and you'll still manage to pee on their leg.
> The sagacious one wrote:
> Tubes? You have more than one tube? Squirt city!
>
> Have you seen those old English comedies where there's a leaking pipe
> that's gushing water out of about 5 different places and the Frank
> Spencer-type bloke is trying to stem the flow? That's me having a
> p***, that is.
>
> True story.
I bet you agitate people in public toilets. You'll be at one end, they'll be at 't other and you'll still manage to pee on their leg.
Light wrote:
> Funnily, I'm busy writing a rant about this particular subject and so
> I will plagarise from this thread freely and post the finished
> article later on.
You plaguarisererer, you!
> Funnily, I'm busy writing a rant about this particular subject and so
> I will plagarise from this thread freely and post the finished
> article later on.
You plaguarisererer, you!
Darwock wrote:
> please tell me that's not true... I would hope vasectomies were a
> little bit more efficient than that! (not that I'm ever likely to
> need one)
Heh.
Nah - it's fine. And the bruising faded after a week or so ...
> please tell me that's not true... I would hope vasectomies were a
> little bit more efficient than that! (not that I'm ever likely to
> need one)
Heh.
Nah - it's fine. And the bruising faded after a week or so ...
Funnily, I'm busy writing a rant about this particular subject and so I will plagarise from this thread freely and post the finished article later on.
please tell me that's not true... I would hope vasectomies were a little bit more efficient than that! (not that I'm ever likely to need one)
The sagacious one wrote:
> Tubes? You have more than one tube? Squirt city!
Have you seen those old English comedies where there's a leaking pipe that's gushing water out of about 5 different places and the Frank Spencer-type bloke is trying to stem the flow? That's me having a p***, that is.
True story.
> Tubes? You have more than one tube? Squirt city!
Have you seen those old English comedies where there's a leaking pipe that's gushing water out of about 5 different places and the Frank Spencer-type bloke is trying to stem the flow? That's me having a p***, that is.
True story.
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