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Wed 19/11/03 at 11:46
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Read something in the news the other day about some people in North Wales tearing down speed cameras, apparently a reaction to the North Wales Police's current policy of targetting speeding drivers in a noble effort to make the roads safer. These people claim to feel 'victimised' and shout about how speed cameras are simply trying to milk yet more money out of the 'driving community'.

They're not the only people to feel that way. A few weeks ago, a hoax e-mail was distributed detailing plans to install a series of digital cameras on the M4 which would automatically read people's licence plates and auto-issue fines to speeding drivers. There was outrage. Not just from random people I know, but from supposed professionals in my office and many others, as a huge e-mail debate raged, citing invasions of civil liberty and other such nonsense.

Can I just ask a question of all the people who feel so infringed by the governments efforts to stop people from speeding: What is your problem?

Now, I don't drive, as I recognise that, for me, it's not an economically or financially viable option for me to do so. I could afford to drive, sure, but why bother given the cost incurred by doing so far outweighs the benefits gained? But anyway, I don't drive, but from my perspective, speed cameras are there for a purpose, and that purpose is to punish drivers who are BREAKING THE LAW. I've put that in big letters for you so it sinks in a little. The drivers punished by speed cameras are punished with good reason, they are driving at excessive speed, and possibly endangering the lives of themselves, and more selfishly (also more importantly), the lives of others. Now, are drivers of the opinion that they should be allowed to break the law and endanger lives with impunity? That's certainly the way their attitude comes across.

The idea that drivers are being 'victimised' for breaking the law is ludicrous. If I had my way, speeding would carry an automatic driving ban and a far more hefty fine than is currenlty in practice. If I had my way, there would cameras on every street of every city and town in the whole country. No, satellite tracking of every vehicle, so that every single infringement is captured, and drivers can gleefully dig their own graves.

Arguing that you should be free to speed at will without cameras to record your indescretion is no different to thugs and rapists demanding the removal of CCTV cameras from street corners so that they can be allowed to hurt, damage and destroy people without having their privacy invaded by police intent on victimising them when they should be cracking down on more serious crimes like... terrorism and such.

Let's be clear here. Speeding is dangerous, it costs lives, which is to say it can kill people, or just take their life away from them. The speed laws are - contrary to popular belief - there for the safety of everyone involved, and not a measure to curb your enjoyment, preventing you from racing down country lanes at 100mph.

And let's be clearer still: Any driver who believes that they are being victimised simply because the police wish to monitor the roads FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY is a complete and irredeemable idiot. I moronic and useless blight on humanity. You people should be hung at dawn with transparent balloon pants so that when the contents of your bowels exit your body,you canbe photographed for the morning papers with all the grace and dignity you deserve. Don't try to tell me "I speed, but safely", because, after all, don't all of you? I doubt many people drive around with the intent of being purposefully dangerous to other motorists/pedestrians. Most accidents due to speeding are exactly that.

Scum. I could write more. I could easily sit here all day venting my rage at you stupid people. But I'm getting too angry to formulate proper sentences.
Wed 19/11/03 at 12:43
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Dr Gonzo wrote:
> What we really need is some system to catch bad drivers - they're the
> ones who cause the accidents. People who tail-gate, or don't
> understand the outside lane, or can't use/signal on roundabouts, or
> drive onto the hatching to get on the other side of a red light and
> then stop the whole flow of traffic, or can't park, don't pay for
> parking in pay area, park too close to the corners etc etc etc

or talk on their mobiles, or are all over the road as if they're drunk, ornot signalling at all so you have to guess where they are going, or slowing down to a crawl only to then indicate that they are pulling to the side of a road, etc etc etc.

The list could go on!
Wed 19/11/03 at 12:43
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While people complain about low speed limits, it should be noted that higher speed limits contribute to increased congestion, as too many speedy cars arrive at traffic lights too quickly.

Hence, I say again, the limits are there with your interests in mind.
Wed 19/11/03 at 12:37
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In general, I agree that no one has a right to moan about speed cameras - if you're going too fast then everyone knows the consequences. The problem is with the stupidly low speed limits placed on some roads. I was driving home from work last night, empty road, dual carriageway. What do you think the speed limit would be? A puny 40 MPH, which makes no sense. Same with motorways - the police themselves know that 70 MPH is too low, but ho hum... put it higher and you'll get people moaning about more road deaths... despite the fact that there's nothing to suggest that would occur in motorway driving.

What we really need is some system to catch bad drivers - they're the ones who cause the accidents. People who tail-gate, or don't understand the outside lane, or can't use/signal on roundabouts, or drive onto the hatching to get on the other side of a red light and then stop the whole flow of traffic, or can't park, don't pay for parking in pay area, park too close to the corners etc etc etc
Wed 19/11/03 at 12:10
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I like the way the copper was so disgusted at your mate, he'd rather risk you crunching your guts up the back end of a seat than having to handcuff Mr Wee-weepants.
Wed 19/11/03 at 12:07
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Oh the shame of it...
The only time I've been pulled over was on the A127 for my mate's 18th waaaaay back when.
We went down to Southend for the evening to "play in the arcades".
2 car loads.
Nice duel carriageway on the way back.
Goatboy sticking his fingers up at "Big" Ant (later to achieve minor celeb status with Collapsed Lung), who in turn leant out of the car he was in and tried to thump the roof.
Goatboy out almost by his ankles, trying to punch Ant in the face.
Ant laughing and trying to pull Goatboy's sleeves off.
Blue light horror.
Pulled over.

Me and mate in back, driver with copper and driver's girlfriend in front.
Mate "Make the policeman laugh"
Goatboy "Shut up"
Mate "Go on, pull faces"
Goatboy "Shut up"
Mate "That copper looks angry, wonder if he'll punch Bob?"
Goatboy "If he comes back and says stuff about having to tell your mum if you were killed, we've got off"
Copper "What would your mum say if..."
Mate "HAHAHAHAHAHAHA"
Copper "What's funny?"
Mate "I did a wee"
Copper "What? Go on, get lost"
Driver "I'm never coming here again"
Wed 19/11/03 at 12:00
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Me and Snuggly went on a car journey once, and they had a little roadside indicator that flashed a smiley or sad face, depending on if you were under the limit or not. He got a sad face. On the journey back too. Bloody boy racers.
Wed 19/11/03 at 11:57
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I agree with IB, mostly.
If you speed, then you get fined. Simple.

Except for 2 places I know of that are perfectly clear, perfectly straight roads with no speed indicator signs anywhere. And the camera is placed neatly behind a road-sign.
FLASH! FLASH! FLASH!
Unless you know it's there, it's like going to an in-car rave sometimes.
I like to get out and do cool ninja moves to the strobe effects of the flash.
Wed 19/11/03 at 11:52
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Actually, someone I know tried to cover the number plate on his motorbike with his foot, whilst breaking the limit. We didn't believe him, but the police sent him a nice picture and fine to prove it...
Wed 19/11/03 at 11:51
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"BREAKING THE LAW, BREAKING THE LAW"

* DUN - DUN - DUN *

"BREAKING THE LAW, BREAKING THE LAW"
Wed 19/11/03 at 11:46
"Darkness, always"
Posts: 9,603
Read something in the news the other day about some people in North Wales tearing down speed cameras, apparently a reaction to the North Wales Police's current policy of targetting speeding drivers in a noble effort to make the roads safer. These people claim to feel 'victimised' and shout about how speed cameras are simply trying to milk yet more money out of the 'driving community'.

They're not the only people to feel that way. A few weeks ago, a hoax e-mail was distributed detailing plans to install a series of digital cameras on the M4 which would automatically read people's licence plates and auto-issue fines to speeding drivers. There was outrage. Not just from random people I know, but from supposed professionals in my office and many others, as a huge e-mail debate raged, citing invasions of civil liberty and other such nonsense.

Can I just ask a question of all the people who feel so infringed by the governments efforts to stop people from speeding: What is your problem?

Now, I don't drive, as I recognise that, for me, it's not an economically or financially viable option for me to do so. I could afford to drive, sure, but why bother given the cost incurred by doing so far outweighs the benefits gained? But anyway, I don't drive, but from my perspective, speed cameras are there for a purpose, and that purpose is to punish drivers who are BREAKING THE LAW. I've put that in big letters for you so it sinks in a little. The drivers punished by speed cameras are punished with good reason, they are driving at excessive speed, and possibly endangering the lives of themselves, and more selfishly (also more importantly), the lives of others. Now, are drivers of the opinion that they should be allowed to break the law and endanger lives with impunity? That's certainly the way their attitude comes across.

The idea that drivers are being 'victimised' for breaking the law is ludicrous. If I had my way, speeding would carry an automatic driving ban and a far more hefty fine than is currenlty in practice. If I had my way, there would cameras on every street of every city and town in the whole country. No, satellite tracking of every vehicle, so that every single infringement is captured, and drivers can gleefully dig their own graves.

Arguing that you should be free to speed at will without cameras to record your indescretion is no different to thugs and rapists demanding the removal of CCTV cameras from street corners so that they can be allowed to hurt, damage and destroy people without having their privacy invaded by police intent on victimising them when they should be cracking down on more serious crimes like... terrorism and such.

Let's be clear here. Speeding is dangerous, it costs lives, which is to say it can kill people, or just take their life away from them. The speed laws are - contrary to popular belief - there for the safety of everyone involved, and not a measure to curb your enjoyment, preventing you from racing down country lanes at 100mph.

And let's be clearer still: Any driver who believes that they are being victimised simply because the police wish to monitor the roads FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY is a complete and irredeemable idiot. I moronic and useless blight on humanity. You people should be hung at dawn with transparent balloon pants so that when the contents of your bowels exit your body,you canbe photographed for the morning papers with all the grace and dignity you deserve. Don't try to tell me "I speed, but safely", because, after all, don't all of you? I doubt many people drive around with the intent of being purposefully dangerous to other motorists/pedestrians. Most accidents due to speeding are exactly that.

Scum. I could write more. I could easily sit here all day venting my rage at you stupid people. But I'm getting too angry to formulate proper sentences.

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