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"Hurt & The Downward Spiral - Nine Inch Nails"

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Mon 17/11/03 at 23:58
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Hurt is perhaps the most well-known song(outside of fan knowledge) of Nine Inch Nails.
Covered by Johnny Cash shortly before his death this year with one of the most poignant videos ever made (courtesy of Mark Romanek. Even Justin Timberlake apologised for winning the best male video award at the 2003 eMpTyV video awards 2 weeks before Cash's death)

The closing track to "The Downward Spinal", an album recorded at the home of Sharon Tate & Roman Polanski, the home where she was butchered 8 months pregnant by The Manson Family and messages daubed on the walls in her blood/foetal remains like "Creepy Crawl", signalling the end of the sixties and the hippy generation's lovefest.

Trent Reznor, father of "industrial" (him & Al Jourgensen of Ministry), recorded the soundtrack to what amounts to his nervous breakdown. Songs are harsh, pounding, discordant, fractured soundscapes of fury and revulsion. Lyrics veer from absolutely indignant fury of "Closer", to the battered, lifeless closing track "Hurt".
It's an album of pain, anger, confusion, fear, regret, hope, and at times just unrelenting, chaotic white-hot fury.
It's not easy-listening, and especially in light of today's glut of fake, designed-to-grab-your-dollar angsty rock crap courtesy of Limp Bizkit and so many other identikit white blokes in big shorts rapping about how hard life is in your bedroom in your parent's house and why does nobody understand me waaah waaah waaah.

If you want to listen to pre-packaged, easily digestible pretend angry music, then suck up that Papa Roach cd and keep practising your skateboarding until a wandering policeman tells you off, whereupon you instantly stop - then sneer and continue once he's *well* out of sight.

If you want to listen to something that isn't instantly accessible, that starts with the sound of Reznor being beaten by his producer with a billy-club until it segues into the beat for the opening track, then go get "The Downward Spiral".
Or at least go and download "Hurt" to get a taste of the quieter, easier to listen to side of this album.

It's Reznor singing almost in a whisper, an acoustic guitar and droning, sweeping static apart from 2 sections of just white noise. The finale, if you listen real close, is Reznor singing the last verse crying softly.
It's almost embarassing to listen into a man singing
"What have I become my sweetest friend? Everyone I know goes away in the end, I am still right here" in a cracked voice before it collapses into feedback and echoey reverb.

The video, if you can find it, is him live in front of a massive screen showing time lapse footage of animals decaying and being consumed by mould/maggots.
Or if you have a fast connection, go here and watch the Johnny Cash version:
http://www.markromanek.com/video/14.html
Bearing in mind it's a song about loss, coming to terms with death and wishing you could have your time again, it still makes me feel extremely sad to watch a legend sitting at home with his wife, looking at pics of himself and crying with a powerful dignity.

Nine Inch Nails - not a posturing, vacous band with shouty choruses and moshpit friendly downtuned guitars.
The Downward Spiral - not an album to put on and forget about 5 mins later when the next version comes down the pipe.
Tue 18/11/03 at 08:03
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Goatboy wrote:
> NIN have never really done that, and "The Downward Spiral"
> isn't anything like a 5 million-selling album should be.
> It's dark, twisted, painful, broken & genuine. No multi-million
> dollar videos of him in face-paint with dancing girls.
>
> Try it, you might be surprised.

I have all the NIN albulms, and have been a massive fan since "Pretty Hate Machine" and "Head Like a Hole"

Its nice to see there's still people who enjoy his music out there!
Tue 18/11/03 at 00:44
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Nope, NIN has been going since waaay before the current glut of face-painted clowns.
In fact, Marilyn Manson owes his career to Trent Reznor.
Reznor "adopted" the band when they were a cartoon schlock-horror band noted for carrying lunchboxes onstage and using dolls covered in blood.
He produced their 1st album and gave them support slots.
The sleevenotes for "Spiral" thank "Brian Warner & Marilyn Manson".
And in thanks, Manson basically ripped off NIN's sound and video imagery, the recording techniques and Reznor's whole modus operandi, made it commercial and have spawned hundreds of wannabes.

Reznor created the whole buzzy-guitar/fractured beats/industrial thing, there wasn't anything like it before he released the 1st EP and ever since it's been watered down and repackaged.
You have the originators like NIN and Ministry, then the awful, awful copycats of Marilyn Manson/Evenescence etc that have the image but still make commercial music with catchy choruses etc.

NIN have never really done that, and "The Downward Spiral" isn't anything like a 5 million-selling album should be.
It's dark, twisted, painful, broken & genuine. No multi-million dollar videos of him in face-paint with dancing girls.

Try it, you might be surprised.
Tue 18/11/03 at 00:19
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Well, I have to admit, without ever really hearing anything by NIN I had pigeon holed them as being another goth metal band that only screamed over power chords. But generally you have pretty good taste so I'll give them a chance.
Mon 17/11/03 at 23:58
Regular
"Infantalised Forums"
Posts: 23,089
Hurt is perhaps the most well-known song(outside of fan knowledge) of Nine Inch Nails.
Covered by Johnny Cash shortly before his death this year with one of the most poignant videos ever made (courtesy of Mark Romanek. Even Justin Timberlake apologised for winning the best male video award at the 2003 eMpTyV video awards 2 weeks before Cash's death)

The closing track to "The Downward Spinal", an album recorded at the home of Sharon Tate & Roman Polanski, the home where she was butchered 8 months pregnant by The Manson Family and messages daubed on the walls in her blood/foetal remains like "Creepy Crawl", signalling the end of the sixties and the hippy generation's lovefest.

Trent Reznor, father of "industrial" (him & Al Jourgensen of Ministry), recorded the soundtrack to what amounts to his nervous breakdown. Songs are harsh, pounding, discordant, fractured soundscapes of fury and revulsion. Lyrics veer from absolutely indignant fury of "Closer", to the battered, lifeless closing track "Hurt".
It's an album of pain, anger, confusion, fear, regret, hope, and at times just unrelenting, chaotic white-hot fury.
It's not easy-listening, and especially in light of today's glut of fake, designed-to-grab-your-dollar angsty rock crap courtesy of Limp Bizkit and so many other identikit white blokes in big shorts rapping about how hard life is in your bedroom in your parent's house and why does nobody understand me waaah waaah waaah.

If you want to listen to pre-packaged, easily digestible pretend angry music, then suck up that Papa Roach cd and keep practising your skateboarding until a wandering policeman tells you off, whereupon you instantly stop - then sneer and continue once he's *well* out of sight.

If you want to listen to something that isn't instantly accessible, that starts with the sound of Reznor being beaten by his producer with a billy-club until it segues into the beat for the opening track, then go get "The Downward Spiral".
Or at least go and download "Hurt" to get a taste of the quieter, easier to listen to side of this album.

It's Reznor singing almost in a whisper, an acoustic guitar and droning, sweeping static apart from 2 sections of just white noise. The finale, if you listen real close, is Reznor singing the last verse crying softly.
It's almost embarassing to listen into a man singing
"What have I become my sweetest friend? Everyone I know goes away in the end, I am still right here" in a cracked voice before it collapses into feedback and echoey reverb.

The video, if you can find it, is him live in front of a massive screen showing time lapse footage of animals decaying and being consumed by mould/maggots.
Or if you have a fast connection, go here and watch the Johnny Cash version:
http://www.markromanek.com/video/14.html
Bearing in mind it's a song about loss, coming to terms with death and wishing you could have your time again, it still makes me feel extremely sad to watch a legend sitting at home with his wife, looking at pics of himself and crying with a powerful dignity.

Nine Inch Nails - not a posturing, vacous band with shouty choruses and moshpit friendly downtuned guitars.
The Downward Spiral - not an album to put on and forget about 5 mins later when the next version comes down the pipe.

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