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In light of the Anglican Church's recent meeting I think a debate is in order (preferably a civilised one with no name-calling)
Should there be gay priests, bishops etc in the Church?
Your opinions please.
Should there be gay priests, bishops etc in the Church?
Your opinions please.
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Jesus is an admirable character, but the God of the Old testament is a bit of a terroist - I don't think He much liked gays. He nuked a city full of sinners, sent His angels to wipe out 400,00 Assyrians in one night, and then in the New Testament He was converted into a hippy love machine... well that's my interpretation anyway.
But seriously, who here looks to the Anglican Church for moral guidance?
But seriously, who here looks to the Anglican Church for moral guidance?
Drowning is easier for the peasants to relate to.
Saying God could erase everything with a click of the fingers makes it seem like magic, but using nature to destroy fits in nicely to the imagination. This whole idea that man destroys nature, hence nature gets rid of man, 'cleanses' away the sins in water - symbolism with christening - leaving a 'pure' earth for Noah and co to live in.
Plus I would imagine it's not a great way to die compared to just being clicked out of existence in an instant.
Saying God could erase everything with a click of the fingers makes it seem like magic, but using nature to destroy fits in nicely to the imagination. This whole idea that man destroys nature, hence nature gets rid of man, 'cleanses' away the sins in water - symbolism with christening - leaving a 'pure' earth for Noah and co to live in.
Plus I would imagine it's not a great way to die compared to just being clicked out of existence in an instant.
What amuses me is that, if god is so powerful, why does he have to resort to so primitive a method as drowning the sinful population of the earth, when surely he could just eradicate them with a click of his proverbial fingers, and remake them without their imperfections?
Same here, I believe there is a god, and other stuff, but not that Archbishop whatever had anything much to do with him/her/it
Never said I was religious. Yet I am not an atheist either.
Did Abraham know it was a test ? Nope. It's rather screwed up isn't it ? I mean, it'd be like someone ordering you to shoot a random person, then telling you to stop as you were a second away from firing. Doesn't matter that you didn't fire, you would have.
As for the Flood and Noah, well I don't know any other term other than genocide for God sending a flood which kills every living person except the ones he deems perfect (Noah and his wife) and some animals.
And the Israelites killing every man, woman and child of seven tribes at God's command ? Again, no other word but genocide.
It's like I said, the Bible's a pick and mix, if you're a religious insitution you can pick what you want to match your opinion, safe in the knowledge that there's such a mix of ideas, rhetoric and morality to suit all in the Bible than there will always be something to use.
As for the Flood and Noah, well I don't know any other term other than genocide for God sending a flood which kills every living person except the ones he deems perfect (Noah and his wife) and some animals.
And the Israelites killing every man, woman and child of seven tribes at God's command ? Again, no other word but genocide.
It's like I said, the Bible's a pick and mix, if you're a religious insitution you can pick what you want to match your opinion, safe in the knowledge that there's such a mix of ideas, rhetoric and morality to suit all in the Bible than there will always be something to use.
Belldandy wrote:
> Genesis 22:1-18 - God tells Abraham to kill his son.
>
> Genesis 6:5-9 - God decides a bit of genocide is in order.
>
> Deuteronomy 7:1-2 - God tells the Israelites to commit genocide on a
> mass scale.
>
> http://www.positiveatheism.org/crt/nbwposath.htm also contains an
> almighty mass of 'interesting passages'.
These are your interpretations. God did tell Abraham to kill his son, but it was a test, as was revealed later.
> Genesis 22:1-18 - God tells Abraham to kill his son.
>
> Genesis 6:5-9 - God decides a bit of genocide is in order.
>
> Deuteronomy 7:1-2 - God tells the Israelites to commit genocide on a
> mass scale.
>
> http://www.positiveatheism.org/crt/nbwposath.htm also contains an
> almighty mass of 'interesting passages'.
These are your interpretations. God did tell Abraham to kill his son, but it was a test, as was revealed later.
Lindgren wrote:
> 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NIV): "Do you not know that the wicked will
> not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the
> sexually immoral nor idolaters, nor adulterers nor male prostitutes
> nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor
> slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
>
> I think it's pretty clear here that the Bible condemns homosexuality.
> Therfore, technically gay clergy should not be admitted to the
> Church. However, I feel the Bible has one fatal flaw in it, and that
> is that much of it is not the Word of God, rather the word of man's
> interpretation of the Word of God, and also man's own views.
Genesis 22:1-18 - God tells Abraham to kill his son.
Genesis 6:5-9 - God decides a bit of genocide is in order.
Deuteronomy 7:1-2 - God tells the Israelites to commit genocide on a mass scale.
http://www.positiveatheism.org/crt/nbwposath.htm also contains an almighty mass of 'interesting passages'.
> 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NIV): "Do you not know that the wicked will
> not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the
> sexually immoral nor idolaters, nor adulterers nor male prostitutes
> nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor
> slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
>
> I think it's pretty clear here that the Bible condemns homosexuality.
> Therfore, technically gay clergy should not be admitted to the
> Church. However, I feel the Bible has one fatal flaw in it, and that
> is that much of it is not the Word of God, rather the word of man's
> interpretation of the Word of God, and also man's own views.
Genesis 22:1-18 - God tells Abraham to kill his son.
Genesis 6:5-9 - God decides a bit of genocide is in order.
Deuteronomy 7:1-2 - God tells the Israelites to commit genocide on a mass scale.
http://www.positiveatheism.org/crt/nbwposath.htm also contains an almighty mass of 'interesting passages'.
Belldandy wrote:
> On another tangent here, but when you consider how much of an issue
> this has become in real life for the Church, then it goes to show
> just how devastating it could be if the conspiracy theorists who
> claim extra-terrestrials were involved in biblical events were ever
> proved right.
>
> Massively unlikely, but just worth considering, what if it turned out
> to all be the work of another race and total fiction ?
In that case, a lot of people will have wasted a large portion of their lives serving someone who didn't exist, and there would likely be a huge increase in suicides, wars, and general friction in the world.
> On another tangent here, but when you consider how much of an issue
> this has become in real life for the Church, then it goes to show
> just how devastating it could be if the conspiracy theorists who
> claim extra-terrestrials were involved in biblical events were ever
> proved right.
>
> Massively unlikely, but just worth considering, what if it turned out
> to all be the work of another race and total fiction ?
In that case, a lot of people will have wasted a large portion of their lives serving someone who didn't exist, and there would likely be a huge increase in suicides, wars, and general friction in the world.
On another tangent here, but when you consider how much of an issue this has become in real life for the Church, then it goes to show just how devastating it could be if the conspiracy theorists who claim extra-terrestrials were involved in biblical events were ever proved right.
Massively unlikely, but just worth considering, what if it turned out to all be the work of another race and total fiction ?
Massively unlikely, but just worth considering, what if it turned out to all be the work of another race and total fiction ?
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