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However, as it's being done by the US, you can bet that we'll hear stuff like "They're only terrorists, they deserve it". Which I wouldn't mind, if those same people didn't then slither up the moral high ground concerning the multitude of ills in and concerning the western world...
However, as it's being done by the US, you can bet that we'll hear stuff like "They're only terrorists, they deserve it". Which I wouldn't mind, if those same people didn't then slither up the moral high ground concerning the multitude of ills in and concerning the western world...
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Damnit, just stick everyone in a dungeon in the ground like in the old days, see?!
Worked for that damn Robin Hood guy.
Worked for that damn Robin Hood guy.
Would you trust their judgement if it was a member of your family?
No. I'm putting some faith in the US Army's Accountant. I doubt the yanks would go rounding civilians up, holding them, then flying them all the way to Cuba, then paying to feed them ect, for no good reason... By that i mean, they must have had a good reason for holding them there.
I'm not saying that torture is the right thing to do, i'm just saying that if indeed they are terrorists, then we shouldn't really care about the quality of their food.
I know some of them will probably be innocent, but the Americans must have some reason for keeping them. I don't know what it is, but i'm trusting their judgement.
And that Catholic IRA thing isn't so. A Catholic on NI doesn't mean they support the IRA, and the same applies to a dude in Afganistan, but as i said, there must be a reason for their being held.
I'm not saying that torture is the right thing to do, i'm just saying that if indeed they are terrorists, then we shouldn't really care about the quality of their food.
I know some of them will probably be innocent, but the Americans must have some reason for keeping them. I don't know what it is, but i'm trusting their judgement.
And that Catholic IRA thing isn't so. A Catholic on NI doesn't mean they support the IRA, and the same applies to a dude in Afganistan, but as i said, there must be a reason for their being held.
Oh, ALL media reports of any kind should be taken with a pinch of salt. Hell, I hope no-one assumes that I automatically believe everything I link to!!
But that's another point; Skarra and IB have been quick to point out that it may be exaggeration. Yet no-one makes that assumption when we hear of torture in Saudi prisons, do we? We assume that they definitely did it, and because we only hear of it in connections with western citizens, we assume that whomever the westener is didn't deserve it.
Yet in this case, despite a total lack of any trials, we (by which I mean Skarra in this particular case) assume they are terrorists who deserve it (I'm not even gonna get STARTED on 'evil regime'; was the Taliban's undoubtedly awful treatment of women more or less evil than America's policy of genocide toward street children in central America in the 80's?). Put it in perspective; that's like saying that you would support the police arresting someone living in a catholic estate in Northern Ireland, then beating and torturing them, because if they're a catholic in NI then they MUST support the IRA, right?
But that's another point; Skarra and IB have been quick to point out that it may be exaggeration. Yet no-one makes that assumption when we hear of torture in Saudi prisons, do we? We assume that they definitely did it, and because we only hear of it in connections with western citizens, we assume that whomever the westener is didn't deserve it.
Yet in this case, despite a total lack of any trials, we (by which I mean Skarra in this particular case) assume they are terrorists who deserve it (I'm not even gonna get STARTED on 'evil regime'; was the Taliban's undoubtedly awful treatment of women more or less evil than America's policy of genocide toward street children in central America in the 80's?). Put it in perspective; that's like saying that you would support the police arresting someone living in a catholic estate in Northern Ireland, then beating and torturing them, because if they're a catholic in NI then they MUST support the IRA, right?
Heh. I wasn't trying to say I would disagree with that particular example myself, I'm just saying that a large amount of people in the US would get very angry very quickly if that happened.
Blank wrote:
> What about us showing Uday and Qusay Hussein? Would it be okay if they
> showed close up shots of the likes of Jeb Bush, dead and bloodied?
YES!
> What about us showing Uday and Qusay Hussein? Would it be okay if they
> showed close up shots of the likes of Jeb Bush, dead and bloodied?
YES!
Skarra wrote:
> Sure, they were filmed, but not to the same low level as when the
> Iraqi and other Arab news groups showed the coalition dead in close
> ups of their faces and wounds.
So we can do it, and to a level that our particular culture finds acceptable.
However, they can't do it (and all the complaints at the time were based on the fact alone that they did it, not concerning the extent to which they went), and if they do do it, then they'd sure as hell better only go to the level that OUR culture, not THEIRS, dictates is acceptable?
Riiiight.
Skarra wrote:
> Also, as a person that hates terrorists, i think that they should get
> little sympathy. After all, they are being fed enough to live, kept
> warn enough to survive, and went to Afganistan for the sole purpose
> of defending a terrorist group and evil regime, i.e. the Taliban.
And some of them will be terrorist. And those that are will, I suppose, inevitably feel the hatred, vengence and blood lust that has been built into us.
But there are without a serious doubt going to be SOME INNOCENT people held there too. And even the most pro-american reports on how suspects were rounded up gives cause to believe there must be a very significant number of innocent people being held.
Should these people also be tortured? Just so we can satisfy our petty hatred, so we can take our pound of flesh?
> Sure, they were filmed, but not to the same low level as when the
> Iraqi and other Arab news groups showed the coalition dead in close
> ups of their faces and wounds.
So we can do it, and to a level that our particular culture finds acceptable.
However, they can't do it (and all the complaints at the time were based on the fact alone that they did it, not concerning the extent to which they went), and if they do do it, then they'd sure as hell better only go to the level that OUR culture, not THEIRS, dictates is acceptable?
Riiiight.
Skarra wrote:
> Also, as a person that hates terrorists, i think that they should get
> little sympathy. After all, they are being fed enough to live, kept
> warn enough to survive, and went to Afganistan for the sole purpose
> of defending a terrorist group and evil regime, i.e. the Taliban.
And some of them will be terrorist. And those that are will, I suppose, inevitably feel the hatred, vengence and blood lust that has been built into us.
But there are without a serious doubt going to be SOME INNOCENT people held there too. And even the most pro-american reports on how suspects were rounded up gives cause to believe there must be a very significant number of innocent people being held.
Should these people also be tortured? Just so we can satisfy our petty hatred, so we can take our pound of flesh?
What about us showing Uday and Qusay Hussein? Would it be okay if they showed close up shots of the likes of Jeb Bush, dead and bloodied?
Blank wrote:
> Just like when they put allied troops on TV. We did it too, but they
> did it first so it's alright.
I don't remember Fox News interviewing the terrified Iraqi prisoners. Or doing a close up on the faces of the Iraqi dead.
Sure, they were filmed, but not to the same low level as when the Iraqi and other Arab news groups showed the coalition dead in close ups of their faces and wounds.
> Just like when they put allied troops on TV. We did it too, but they
> did it first so it's alright.
I don't remember Fox News interviewing the terrified Iraqi prisoners. Or doing a close up on the faces of the Iraqi dead.
Sure, they were filmed, but not to the same low level as when the Iraqi and other Arab news groups showed the coalition dead in close ups of their faces and wounds.
Blank wrote:
> Just like when they put allied troops on TV. We did it too, but they
> did it first so it's alright.
I
> Just like when they put allied troops on TV. We did it too, but they
> did it first so it's alright.
I
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