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Software Piracy! Wahoo!
Fact: It's illegal to sell second hand copies of games without the copyright holder's permission.
*Glares at SR*
Fact: It's illegal to sell second hand copies of games without the copyright holder's permission.
*Glares at SR*
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Belldandy wrote:
> The report also has nothing on why copied material is so readily
> saleable, or why most consoles are easily, maybe on purpose,
> modifiable to allow the usage of copies, as well as nothing on the
> commercial drive to sell copying equipment to home computer users at
> ludicrously low prices which has effectively made the situation far
> worse.
Correct :) You are also correct in pointing out that the report from the AACP concentrates mostly on intellectual property theft rather than explicitly quantifying, say, PS2 copied games. The information on quantities, however, is available with a little more research into the case histories outlined into the AACP report (and others, the court records aren't online so I can't link them for you).
These figures will hopefully be brought to light more clearly in terms of the entertainment software industry, as well as the issues you've raised in the quotation above being addressed properly, in a report coming out in June 2004. (Which just happens to be my end of year project).
As the report will be critical in many ways, one aspect that it will try to redress is the current wave of incredible monetary figures being thrown at us by the different associations involved in combating IPT. £2 billion from ELSPA, then £3 billion by ELSPA, then £6 billion by AACP followed by £10 billion by AACP a few paragraphs later.
I've got a feeling the RIIA clamping down on people downloading illegally on the internet is just the start of things, but whether they're reacting to a perceived loss via piracy or whether or not it's the result of indepth research is something only they can answer.
The main problem being addressed is discovering just how much the apparent complacent attitudes to piracy today come about in the first place, and how much they contribute to the scale of piracy on the world wide stage. Once that's clear, something more positive and direct can be done about it.
(Like maybe including Intellectual Property and Copyrights and Patents laws into an IT curriculum at secondary school).
> The report also has nothing on why copied material is so readily
> saleable, or why most consoles are easily, maybe on purpose,
> modifiable to allow the usage of copies, as well as nothing on the
> commercial drive to sell copying equipment to home computer users at
> ludicrously low prices which has effectively made the situation far
> worse.
Correct :) You are also correct in pointing out that the report from the AACP concentrates mostly on intellectual property theft rather than explicitly quantifying, say, PS2 copied games. The information on quantities, however, is available with a little more research into the case histories outlined into the AACP report (and others, the court records aren't online so I can't link them for you).
These figures will hopefully be brought to light more clearly in terms of the entertainment software industry, as well as the issues you've raised in the quotation above being addressed properly, in a report coming out in June 2004. (Which just happens to be my end of year project).
As the report will be critical in many ways, one aspect that it will try to redress is the current wave of incredible monetary figures being thrown at us by the different associations involved in combating IPT. £2 billion from ELSPA, then £3 billion by ELSPA, then £6 billion by AACP followed by £10 billion by AACP a few paragraphs later.
I've got a feeling the RIIA clamping down on people downloading illegally on the internet is just the start of things, but whether they're reacting to a perceived loss via piracy or whether or not it's the result of indepth research is something only they can answer.
The main problem being addressed is discovering just how much the apparent complacent attitudes to piracy today come about in the first place, and how much they contribute to the scale of piracy on the world wide stage. Once that's clear, something more positive and direct can be done about it.
(Like maybe including Intellectual Property and Copyrights and Patents laws into an IT curriculum at secondary school).
Well I've had a quick skim through it and I can already see some fairly serious holes in the report;
*Organised crime being defined as anything involving 3 or more people ?
*The NCIS reports and facts relate to intellectual property fraud and not software piracy in particular.
*Reference is made to 'evidence' linking various counterfeiting operations ot things like Northern Ireland terrorist groups, but there is little actual fact given.
*Where there is facts given, no links are made to software piracy.
In fact there is little discussion of software piracy in that report, it's omission actually suggests that software piract has little links to organised crime etc.
The report also has nothing on why copied material is so readily saleable, or why most consoles are easily, maybe on purpose, modifiable to allow the usage of copies, as well as nothing on the commercial drive to sell copying equipment to home computer users at ludicrously low prices which has effectively made the situation far worse.
So, Mi/\/dfrig, I will not be backing down.
*Organised crime being defined as anything involving 3 or more people ?
*The NCIS reports and facts relate to intellectual property fraud and not software piracy in particular.
*Reference is made to 'evidence' linking various counterfeiting operations ot things like Northern Ireland terrorist groups, but there is little actual fact given.
*Where there is facts given, no links are made to software piracy.
In fact there is little discussion of software piracy in that report, it's omission actually suggests that software piract has little links to organised crime etc.
The report also has nothing on why copied material is so readily saleable, or why most consoles are easily, maybe on purpose, modifiable to allow the usage of copies, as well as nothing on the commercial drive to sell copying equipment to home computer users at ludicrously low prices which has effectively made the situation far worse.
So, Mi/\/dfrig, I will not be backing down.
spiel?
I laugh in the face of your software piracy schpeel.
HA HA HAHA HAHAHAHAHAH ... HEH .... *cough* *choke* eurgh ....
well, you know what laughing sounds like ....
HA HA HAHA HAHAHAHAHAH ... HEH .... *cough* *choke* eurgh ....
well, you know what laughing sounds like ....
Belldandy doesn't need to back down, he has his opinion and I have mine. We don't always agree on everything, if we did the world would be a very boring place and nothing much would get changed for the better, because we'd still all agree that the world was flat and not bother researching anymore into possibilities that it could be round, for example.
Or we'd all agree that George Bush was voted in as a decent human being, and not look into the possibilities that the US population were capable of electing a monkey into office.
Things like that...
:)
Or we'd all agree that George Bush was voted in as a decent human being, and not look into the possibilities that the US population were capable of electing a monkey into office.
Things like that...
:)
I reckon he shall simply back down !
http://global.bsa.org/ireland-north/ policyres/ProvingtheConnection.pdf
40 pages, enjoy :)
(I had to take notes on it, took me a week).
40 pages, enjoy :)
(I had to take notes on it, took me a week).
Belldandy wrote:
> B*ll Sit.
Okies, stay right there I'll get you a link to the report.
> B*ll Sit.
Okies, stay right there I'll get you a link to the report.
FantasyMeister wrote:
> (Bought a game from your local market for £5 recently? There's
> a 4 in 5 chance you've funded organised crime).
B*ll Sit.
I've heard the statistic, and to be honest I'd love to see how they arrived at it. It's just the industry trying to convince stupid people not to buy copies, on one website, I forget what it was exactly, I saw someone from ELSPA trying to claim buying pirate software/music etc was like funding terrorism. The only place most of the money is going to in this country is the bloke's pocket.
> (Bought a game from your local market for £5 recently? There's
> a 4 in 5 chance you've funded organised crime).
B*ll Sit.
I've heard the statistic, and to be honest I'd love to see how they arrived at it. It's just the industry trying to convince stupid people not to buy copies, on one website, I forget what it was exactly, I saw someone from ELSPA trying to claim buying pirate software/music etc was like funding terrorism. The only place most of the money is going to in this country is the bloke's pocket.
Mi/\\/dfrig wrote:
> It also means a lot of shops are breaking the law.
Indeedy. But, from ELSPA's et al's point of view, second hand game sellers are small fry compared to the real baddies, plus they do a great deal to sell new games too, hence why there aren't any prosecutions. (That's not an ELSPA et al soundbite btw, it's just my conclusion).
Fact Two: (And this is a real shocker): The Russian Mafia, the Italian Mafia, the Triads, and various terrorist organisations are all involved in software piracy. In a recent cases, the Russian Mafia were found to be selling copied games to fund their credit card fraud operations, and an Asian based outfit were using Afghan refugees to sell counterfeit software in the UK.
(Bought a game from your local market for £5 recently? There's a 4 in 5 chance you've funded organised crime).
> It also means a lot of shops are breaking the law.
Indeedy. But, from ELSPA's et al's point of view, second hand game sellers are small fry compared to the real baddies, plus they do a great deal to sell new games too, hence why there aren't any prosecutions. (That's not an ELSPA et al soundbite btw, it's just my conclusion).
Fact Two: (And this is a real shocker): The Russian Mafia, the Italian Mafia, the Triads, and various terrorist organisations are all involved in software piracy. In a recent cases, the Russian Mafia were found to be selling copied games to fund their credit card fraud operations, and an Asian based outfit were using Afghan refugees to sell counterfeit software in the UK.
(Bought a game from your local market for £5 recently? There's a 4 in 5 chance you've funded organised crime).
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