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Is it possible to have ADSL and a 56k dial up on one phone line. I want to put a 56k dial up on my laptop and keep my adsl on my desktop. Is it possible without getting another Phone line installed?
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GWD wrote:
> But remember if you 'network' you will have to have both PC's on for
> things to work - see below for my situation. Is this what you are
> after ?
> My situation is 'down stairs' desktop has been on broadband all day
> long - no probs. Then shut down at the end of the day. I've gone to
> bed. Mrs is in the bath and I think it would be nice to check
> this,that and the other out - use the laptop. Arh - to get Broadband
> (if i'm networking) means going down stairs and booting up the
> desktop - not ideal. So for me a router seems the answer. Are you
> happy to have your desktop PC running when you are using the laptop ?
> There are too many permutations to this !
> GWD.
Yeh that dont bother me, as the only reason im getting another subscription is so that more people can get on to the internet. Our computers on all day anyway, and all night. Gets about 6 hours rest a day!
> But remember if you 'network' you will have to have both PC's on for
> things to work - see below for my situation. Is this what you are
> after ?
> My situation is 'down stairs' desktop has been on broadband all day
> long - no probs. Then shut down at the end of the day. I've gone to
> bed. Mrs is in the bath and I think it would be nice to check
> this,that and the other out - use the laptop. Arh - to get Broadband
> (if i'm networking) means going down stairs and booting up the
> desktop - not ideal. So for me a router seems the answer. Are you
> happy to have your desktop PC running when you are using the laptop ?
> There are too many permutations to this !
> GWD.
Yeh that dont bother me, as the only reason im getting another subscription is so that more people can get on to the internet. Our computers on all day anyway, and all night. Gets about 6 hours rest a day!
But remember if you 'network' you will have to have both PC's on for things to work - see below for my situation. Is this what you are after ?
My situation is 'down stairs' desktop has been on broadband all day long - no probs. Then shut down at the end of the day. I've gone to bed. Mrs is in the bath and I think it would be nice to check this,that and the other out - use the laptop. Arh - to get Broadband (if i'm networking) means going down stairs and booting up the desktop - not ideal. So for me a router seems the answer. Are you happy to have your desktop PC running when you are using the laptop ? There are too many permutations to this !
GWD.
My situation is 'down stairs' desktop has been on broadband all day long - no probs. Then shut down at the end of the day. I've gone to bed. Mrs is in the bath and I think it would be nice to check this,that and the other out - use the laptop. Arh - to get Broadband (if i'm networking) means going down stairs and booting up the desktop - not ideal. So for me a router seems the answer. Are you happy to have your desktop PC running when you are using the laptop ? There are too many permutations to this !
GWD.
I can get XP on both machines....i am thinking of networking now instead of paying another subscription!
Quazi wrote:
> Miserableman wrote:
> >What version of Windows do you have?
>
> On my laptop Windows ME (might upgrade to win XP)
> On my Desktop Win 98
Gah, what a pair of turkeys..
If you can get hold of Windows XP, I would recommend slapping it on both your computers, if you're able to do that. It makes life so much easier.
If you can't do that then yeh, I would probably recommend a hardware router. Both your machines will need the firewall protection it provides from the internet.
> Miserableman wrote:
> >What version of Windows do you have?
>
> On my laptop Windows ME (might upgrade to win XP)
> On my Desktop Win 98
Gah, what a pair of turkeys..
If you can get hold of Windows XP, I would recommend slapping it on both your computers, if you're able to do that. It makes life so much easier.
If you can't do that then yeh, I would probably recommend a hardware router. Both your machines will need the firewall protection it provides from the internet.
Um, well i guess if you put a 56K modem in your laptop, then the most speed it will be able to recive is 56K, but im not too sure if this will work, as you will be paying for broadband but you will not have the propper modem on your laptop to recieve it.
I would say no it is not possible, but why not link your laptop up with your desktop?
Two good ways of doing this:
1.Wireless network cars, so it works on infra red or something, so just plug on in each computer and set the internet up, ta daa you have broadband on both.
2.A Hub Router, i think it is called that, if you want your laptop on, but not your desktop and you want to connect to the internet then alls you have to do is have your lan wire plugged into the router and the internet will automatically be on. So it is basically like haveing a brpadband modem built into a HUB.
Hope that helps, if not just ignore it.
I would say no it is not possible, but why not link your laptop up with your desktop?
Two good ways of doing this:
1.Wireless network cars, so it works on infra red or something, so just plug on in each computer and set the internet up, ta daa you have broadband on both.
2.A Hub Router, i think it is called that, if you want your laptop on, but not your desktop and you want to connect to the internet then alls you have to do is have your lan wire plugged into the router and the internet will automatically be on. So it is basically like haveing a brpadband modem built into a HUB.
Hope that helps, if not just ignore it.
Miserableman wrote:
>What version of Windows do you have?
On my laptop Windows ME (might upgrade to win XP)
On my Desktop Win 98
>What version of Windows do you have?
On my laptop Windows ME (might upgrade to win XP)
On my Desktop Win 98
Turbonutter wrote:
> Your laptop should have a NIC in it, but you can get them for
> £25. However all laptops really should have one, if yours is
> broken get it fixed.
>
> And you don't need a router.
My laptop was made late 2000, so it might not have one?
> Your laptop should have a NIC in it, but you can get them for
> £25. However all laptops really should have one, if yours is
> broken get it fixed.
>
> And you don't need a router.
My laptop was made late 2000, so it might not have one?
GWD wrote:
> I was planning to go for what FREEOLA call a "ROUTER PACK"
> - hopefully this would allow me to have all machines on Broadband,
> BUT the important bit for me is to be able to use the laptop on
> Broadband without having to have the other PC's switched on (yes I
> will have to run a cable). If I were to rely on the networking as
> people are suggesting here - you would have to have the PC downstairs
> running for the thing to work ?
>
> Hope this makes sense...
It does. The big drawback of using software ICS is that you need the computer to be on for the software to work! If having one computer on all the time the other needs to connect to the internet is out of the question(all night porn downloads, lets be honest), then a hardware router is your new best friend.
> I was planning to go for what FREEOLA call a "ROUTER PACK"
> - hopefully this would allow me to have all machines on Broadband,
> BUT the important bit for me is to be able to use the laptop on
> Broadband without having to have the other PC's switched on (yes I
> will have to run a cable). If I were to rely on the networking as
> people are suggesting here - you would have to have the PC downstairs
> running for the thing to work ?
>
> Hope this makes sense...
It does. The big drawback of using software ICS is that you need the computer to be on for the software to work! If having one computer on all the time the other needs to connect to the internet is out of the question(all night porn downloads, lets be honest), then a hardware router is your new best friend.
Quazi wrote:
> errrr.....thanks for fixing my post. We tried networking before and
> it did not work, but i tihnk the two cards were pretty old. We have
> the network cable running upstairs already. How much does a decent
> PCMCIA and PCI network card cost?!? And how much is a router?
I was halfway through a big reply to this, when my computer randomly shut down (ironically caused by the MSBlast patch, heh).
If you have a cable running up the stairs, then chances are it's a normal ethernet cable, when really you want a crossover. In simple terms, the connection between any two points on a network has to be reversed en route. In a normal hub network, where data travels computer->normal cable->hub->normal cable->computer, the connnection gets reversed in the hub. If you have a crossover cable, it's a lot simpler: computer->crossover cable->computer. What you save in cost you may lose in flexibility - adding a third computer to a crossover cable network means pretty much binning it and starting again.
If you suspect the cable running up your stairs is normal CAT5 rather than crossover, you can get a relatively cheap crossover adaptor from somewhere like Maplins. Having said that, some modern network cards (such as the new PCMCIA card you'd need to buy) can automatically detect that the signal coming in needs reversing, and reverse it in the card. I'm not making any promises that the card you'll buy can do this though!
On top of this hardware, you'll need some kind of routing software on the desktop machine. All versions of Windows back to 98SE support Internet Connection Sharing, Windows XP coming with the added bonus of a firewall. What version of Windows do you have?
> errrr.....thanks for fixing my post. We tried networking before and
> it did not work, but i tihnk the two cards were pretty old. We have
> the network cable running upstairs already. How much does a decent
> PCMCIA and PCI network card cost?!? And how much is a router?
I was halfway through a big reply to this, when my computer randomly shut down (ironically caused by the MSBlast patch, heh).
If you have a cable running up the stairs, then chances are it's a normal ethernet cable, when really you want a crossover. In simple terms, the connection between any two points on a network has to be reversed en route. In a normal hub network, where data travels computer->normal cable->hub->normal cable->computer, the connnection gets reversed in the hub. If you have a crossover cable, it's a lot simpler: computer->crossover cable->computer. What you save in cost you may lose in flexibility - adding a third computer to a crossover cable network means pretty much binning it and starting again.
If you suspect the cable running up your stairs is normal CAT5 rather than crossover, you can get a relatively cheap crossover adaptor from somewhere like Maplins. Having said that, some modern network cards (such as the new PCMCIA card you'd need to buy) can automatically detect that the signal coming in needs reversing, and reverse it in the card. I'm not making any promises that the card you'll buy can do this though!
On top of this hardware, you'll need some kind of routing software on the desktop machine. All versions of Windows back to 98SE support Internet Connection Sharing, Windows XP coming with the added bonus of a firewall. What version of Windows do you have?
Your laptop should have a NIC in it, but you can get them for £25. However all laptops really should have one, if yours is broken get it fixed.
And you don't need a router.
And you don't need a router.
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