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Dr Kelly apparently comitting suicide.
The revelations at the Hutton inquiry that he told a friend should Iraq be invaded, he fully expected to "be found dead in the woods".
Why? Because he had promised prominent Iraqi officials that if they co-operated with UN inspectors, there would be no war.
But it happened anyway.
And Iraqis are extremely big on honour and loyalty.
So what if Dr Kelly *was* murdered. But why immediately suspect the MOD?
Is it not possible that Iraqi exiles/hardcore supporters of Hussein over here (the same ones we're drafting all this legislation for our protection over), would have arranged it?
I'm just mulling this one over.
Kelly promises Iraq no war if co-operate with UN
They do so.
War anyway.
Kelly's name leaked
Kelly turns up "dead in the woods", as he predicted.
The revelations at the Hutton inquiry that he told a friend should Iraq be invaded, he fully expected to "be found dead in the woods".
Why? Because he had promised prominent Iraqi officials that if they co-operated with UN inspectors, there would be no war.
But it happened anyway.
And Iraqis are extremely big on honour and loyalty.
So what if Dr Kelly *was* murdered. But why immediately suspect the MOD?
Is it not possible that Iraqi exiles/hardcore supporters of Hussein over here (the same ones we're drafting all this legislation for our protection over), would have arranged it?
I'm just mulling this one over.
Kelly promises Iraq no war if co-operate with UN
They do so.
War anyway.
Kelly's name leaked
Kelly turns up "dead in the woods", as he predicted.
Page:
"Mr Scarlett said the information had come from a single and reliable military source in Iraq.
It was "consistent with established judgments on Iraq's experience and capability in the use of chemical and biological munitions," he added."
I was just about convinced until the second quoted paragraph.
It leaves the question in my mind: Was the original imformation that:
Iraq had WMDs which could be launched in 20/45 minutes
or
*If* Iraq had WMDs, then they could be launched in 20/45 minutes.
I just find the vague language used somewhat uncomfortable.
Then again, you could say I 'want' the claim to be shown false, which no doubt contributes to my scepticism.
Still, any number of minutes aside, before the war not even the government claimed Iraq to be a direct threat, only claiming that there was a risk IF THEIR WEAPONS GOT INTO TERRORIST HANDS. I'm (fittingly) stupified at how dumb the country is. Talk for long enough like there is a risk from attack directly, distract everyone with a different but largely irrelivant controversial claim, and soon enough everyone believes we were at risk from Iraq directly.
Funning retards.
It was "consistent with established judgments on Iraq's experience and capability in the use of chemical and biological munitions," he added."
I was just about convinced until the second quoted paragraph.
It leaves the question in my mind: Was the original imformation that:
Iraq had WMDs which could be launched in 20/45 minutes
or
*If* Iraq had WMDs, then they could be launched in 20/45 minutes.
I just find the vague language used somewhat uncomfortable.
Then again, you could say I 'want' the claim to be shown false, which no doubt contributes to my scepticism.
Still, any number of minutes aside, before the war not even the government claimed Iraq to be a direct threat, only claiming that there was a risk IF THEIR WEAPONS GOT INTO TERRORIST HANDS. I'm (fittingly) stupified at how dumb the country is. Talk for long enough like there is a risk from attack directly, distract everyone with a different but largely irrelivant controversial claim, and soon enough everyone believes we were at risk from Iraq directly.
Funning retards.
And more importantly, the original FAC hearings came about because Gilligan made certain accusations, primarily that the 45 minutes claim was false, sexed up, and added by Number 10. That enquiry played a part in Kelly's untimely death.
But, as now seems likely, Gilligan lied for his story, meaning the FAC enquiry should never have happened, hence Kelly never called, hence not dead.
The BBC is going to have trouble walking away unscathed this time, though it began it's exit strategy earlier in the year when it said it did not stand behind all of Gilligan's story...
But, as now seems likely, Gilligan lied for his story, meaning the FAC enquiry should never have happened, hence Kelly never called, hence not dead.
The BBC is going to have trouble walking away unscathed this time, though it began it's exit strategy earlier in the year when it said it did not stand behind all of Gilligan's story...
No, we know why we went to war.
Hee you go Blank, eat it http://www.sky.com/skynews /article/0,,30800-12747308,00.html
Hee you go Blank, eat it http://www.sky.com/skynews /article/0,,30800-12747308,00.html
Belldandy wrote:
> On another note, evidence is now available showing that the 45 min
> claim was in fact sexed DOWN by Number 10, officials in the MOD knew
> intel showed it to be 20 mins.
I read that too, thought about it for a while, then came to the conclusion: so what? 20 minutes or 45 minutes, it was bollards all the same. This inquiry is a little bit strange anyway. Surely there should be two inquries, one about Dr Kelly and one about why we went to war in the first place? At the moment it looks like a dead man is being used to score points by everyone concerned, pro- and anti-war alike.
> On another note, evidence is now available showing that the 45 min
> claim was in fact sexed DOWN by Number 10, officials in the MOD knew
> intel showed it to be 20 mins.
I read that too, thought about it for a while, then came to the conclusion: so what? 20 minutes or 45 minutes, it was bollards all the same. This inquiry is a little bit strange anyway. Surely there should be two inquries, one about Dr Kelly and one about why we went to war in the first place? At the moment it looks like a dead man is being used to score points by everyone concerned, pro- and anti-war alike.
Dr Duck wrote:
> My best guess would be that he'd considered suicide before, played it
> out in his head, imagining how it would be.
>
> His preferred method would be something clean and discrete, he has a
> good idea of how it'd be.
>
>
> With this in his head, he associates 'dead in the woods' with how his
> suicide would be.
>
> The war puts him in the position he'd expected, drives him to
> suicide, and he goes the way he'd imagined it all those times
> before.
> Clean and discrete.
> Dead in the woods.
>
>
> A far less exciting explaination, but more likely, in my opinion.
I fullt agree with you Dr. Duck. I'd say he knew that if things went wrong and he was named he knew what he would do.
> My best guess would be that he'd considered suicide before, played it
> out in his head, imagining how it would be.
>
> His preferred method would be something clean and discrete, he has a
> good idea of how it'd be.
>
>
> With this in his head, he associates 'dead in the woods' with how his
> suicide would be.
>
> The war puts him in the position he'd expected, drives him to
> suicide, and he goes the way he'd imagined it all those times
> before.
> Clean and discrete.
> Dead in the woods.
>
>
> A far less exciting explaination, but more likely, in my opinion.
I fullt agree with you Dr. Duck. I'd say he knew that if things went wrong and he was named he knew what he would do.
My best guess would be that he'd considered suicide before, played it out in his head, imagining how it would be.
His preferred method would be something clean and discrete, he has a good idea of how it'd be.
With this in his head, he associates 'dead in the woods' with how his suicide would be.
The war puts him in the position he'd expected, drives him to suicide, and he goes the way he'd imagined it all those times before.
Clean and discrete.
Dead in the woods.
A far less exciting explaination, but more likely, in my opinion.
His preferred method would be something clean and discrete, he has a good idea of how it'd be.
With this in his head, he associates 'dead in the woods' with how his suicide would be.
The war puts him in the position he'd expected, drives him to suicide, and he goes the way he'd imagined it all those times before.
Clean and discrete.
Dead in the woods.
A far less exciting explaination, but more likely, in my opinion.
Blank wrote:
> Belldandy wrote:
> On another note, evidence is now available showing that the 45 min
> claim was in fact sexed DOWN by Number 10, officials in the MOD knew
> intel showed it to be 20 mins.
>
> Boll-o.
What's hand to eye co-ordination Blank ? :P
True actually, the documents are online and in several of the dailies today, sure, it's thej Express, but when it's a direct copy of evidence from the Hutton Enquiry, and clearly says that, then even your small minded arguments are wrong in this case.
> Belldandy wrote:
> On another note, evidence is now available showing that the 45 min
> claim was in fact sexed DOWN by Number 10, officials in the MOD knew
> intel showed it to be 20 mins.
>
> Boll-o.
What's hand to eye co-ordination Blank ? :P
True actually, the documents are online and in several of the dailies today, sure, it's thej Express, but when it's a direct copy of evidence from the Hutton Enquiry, and clearly says that, then even your small minded arguments are wrong in this case.
Belldandy wrote:
> On another note, evidence is now available showing that the 45 min
> claim was in fact sexed DOWN by Number 10, officials in the MOD knew
> intel showed it to be 20 mins.
Boll-o.
> On another note, evidence is now available showing that the 45 min
> claim was in fact sexed DOWN by Number 10, officials in the MOD knew
> intel showed it to be 20 mins.
Boll-o.
Mossad. They're a bunch of nutters.
I have another suspect, though it is harkign back to Dr John Reed's words to parliament about forces working against the govenrment...
What if rogue agents of 5 or 6 take him out, knowing that the subsequent enquiry can be used to discredit, maybe destroy, the current government ? Motive ? God knows.
On another note, evidence is now available showing that the 45 min claim was in fact sexed DOWN by Number 10, officials in the MOD knew intel showed it to be 20 mins.
Which leads to the inevitable question, whose intel ? Which agency and which agents did this come from ?
I wouldn't discount anyone here, apart from the government, because of all people the government is the only one with anything to lose by Kelly's death.
What if rogue agents of 5 or 6 take him out, knowing that the subsequent enquiry can be used to discredit, maybe destroy, the current government ? Motive ? God knows.
On another note, evidence is now available showing that the 45 min claim was in fact sexed DOWN by Number 10, officials in the MOD knew intel showed it to be 20 mins.
Which leads to the inevitable question, whose intel ? Which agency and which agents did this come from ?
I wouldn't discount anyone here, apart from the government, because of all people the government is the only one with anything to lose by Kelly's death.
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