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Firstly i'd like to state my out rage at Eric Cantona winning the "premierships best import" award. What a joke, How can they compare Cantona's stay at old Trafford, in any way to the sheer professionalism of Gianfranco zola. Cantona was at united 5 years and Zola has been at Chelsea 6 already. But the length of the stay is irrelevant. Zola has done the incredible he has Stretched a career into his 37th year, a time when many strikers would already have been retired 3 years. Cantona retired age 30 and even then was looking pretty unfit. Zola has dedicated his later years to maintaining peak fitness and is still running circles around men, little over half his age.
One Area where he does have the edge is in the goal record department. The Old Trafford legend joined United in 1992 from Leeds for £1.2million, making 191 appearances and scoring 88 goals before retiring in 1997.
THe Hero of Stamford Bridge however has scored 80 in 300 apearrances yet is stil going on.
In reality goals are irrelevant in this consideration. If Goal tallies were the measure of the best import, Henry, Hasselbaink, and Van Nistelrooy (nearly) have already far surpassed this target.
Zola has offered this league nothing but professionalism and good nature, Cantona however was involved in the biggest disrepute case the premier league, with an assault on the lifeblood of English football....the fans.
I know many football pundits were expecting Zola to win this award, and he can feel robbed not to have one it, his vision touch and class are unparralelled by any man in the league with the exception of.......Dennis Bergkamp. My previous ramblings may have sounded extremely pro Chelsea (and they were) but not i am moving to the other end of the Scale with London Rivals Arsenal.
Dennis Bergkamp has been Critical to the building of arsenal into the team they are today. The Bergkamp-Wright, Followed by the Bergkamp-Henry partner shiphave been two of the most impressive strike partnerships to reach the premiership.
Bergkamp has a pretty good scoring record with 102 goals in a little over 300 appearances, and has been crucial insupport of Highbury's all time top scorer, wright, and the man who if he stays looks certain to break that record; Henry. With out the presence of Bergkamp would Wright have reached the record in Time, Would Henry have learnt the things he has or thrived on an exquisite supply. Would Arsenal have benefit from a ridiculous £23
million transfer fee from Anelka it there had been not been the impressive bergkamp to lift him to were he was. Bergkamp has provided the premiership with 8 years of loyal service, has scored goals from pretty much every concievable angle and has shown a passing range only zola can match as a a sriker, as his career carries intohis mid 30's. Arguably Bergkamp too has had more than his fair share of disciplinary procedures, but at least his foibles have been confined to the pitch.
I find it hard to believe that many Man Utd supporters, would deny that although Cantona provided us with some out standing memories (especially the amazing juggle previously shown at the start of match of the day), and performed at a high level as a striker, That The level of profesionalism, good attitude and dedication to the game shown by Zola and Bergkamp, leaves them more deserving winners, with Cantona close behind.
One Area where he does have the edge is in the goal record department. The Old Trafford legend joined United in 1992 from Leeds for £1.2million, making 191 appearances and scoring 88 goals before retiring in 1997.
THe Hero of Stamford Bridge however has scored 80 in 300 apearrances yet is stil going on.
In reality goals are irrelevant in this consideration. If Goal tallies were the measure of the best import, Henry, Hasselbaink, and Van Nistelrooy (nearly) have already far surpassed this target.
Zola has offered this league nothing but professionalism and good nature, Cantona however was involved in the biggest disrepute case the premier league, with an assault on the lifeblood of English football....the fans.
I know many football pundits were expecting Zola to win this award, and he can feel robbed not to have one it, his vision touch and class are unparralelled by any man in the league with the exception of.......Dennis Bergkamp. My previous ramblings may have sounded extremely pro Chelsea (and they were) but not i am moving to the other end of the Scale with London Rivals Arsenal.
Dennis Bergkamp has been Critical to the building of arsenal into the team they are today. The Bergkamp-Wright, Followed by the Bergkamp-Henry partner shiphave been two of the most impressive strike partnerships to reach the premiership.
Bergkamp has a pretty good scoring record with 102 goals in a little over 300 appearances, and has been crucial insupport of Highbury's all time top scorer, wright, and the man who if he stays looks certain to break that record; Henry. With out the presence of Bergkamp would Wright have reached the record in Time, Would Henry have learnt the things he has or thrived on an exquisite supply. Would Arsenal have benefit from a ridiculous £23
million transfer fee from Anelka it there had been not been the impressive bergkamp to lift him to were he was. Bergkamp has provided the premiership with 8 years of loyal service, has scored goals from pretty much every concievable angle and has shown a passing range only zola can match as a a sriker, as his career carries intohis mid 30's. Arguably Bergkamp too has had more than his fair share of disciplinary procedures, but at least his foibles have been confined to the pitch.
I find it hard to believe that many Man Utd supporters, would deny that although Cantona provided us with some out standing memories (especially the amazing juggle previously shown at the start of match of the day), and performed at a high level as a striker, That The level of profesionalism, good attitude and dedication to the game shown by Zola and Bergkamp, leaves them more deserving winners, with Cantona close behind.
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Ashley wrote:
> bergkamp, helped arsenal win the league! Yet ergkamp is a model
> professional, deserved it far more.
Model professional?
Okay, nothing compares to what Cantona did, but Bergkamp has been involved in more than his fair share of stampings and elbowing incidents.
Just look at Cantona's record at United and you'll find its no joke that United won nothing the season he was suspended. Winning the premiership in all the other seasons. We were far from a one man team, but the season he came back after the suspension he carried united to the premiership title with the odd goal in many a 1-0 victory.
"oh and anything that happenened at leeds is irrelevant as it was not the premiership"
Yes, but its the same bloody league with the same teams. okay, it isnt the same name in the context of what is being measured but it really does show how influential he was to the players around him. Just his presence helped the likes of Giggs, Beckham, Scholes etc become the players they are today.
> bergkamp, helped arsenal win the league! Yet ergkamp is a model
> professional, deserved it far more.
Model professional?
Okay, nothing compares to what Cantona did, but Bergkamp has been involved in more than his fair share of stampings and elbowing incidents.
Just look at Cantona's record at United and you'll find its no joke that United won nothing the season he was suspended. Winning the premiership in all the other seasons. We were far from a one man team, but the season he came back after the suspension he carried united to the premiership title with the odd goal in many a 1-0 victory.
"oh and anything that happenened at leeds is irrelevant as it was not the premiership"
Yes, but its the same bloody league with the same teams. okay, it isnt the same name in the context of what is being measured but it really does show how influential he was to the players around him. Just his presence helped the likes of Giggs, Beckham, Scholes etc become the players they are today.
oh and anything that happenened at leeds is irrelevant as it was not the premiership
He will still be held in top regard in 20 years time (might even still be playing) he has also just been voted chelsea best ever player....so probably yes
Sorry I would have to disagree with you Ashley, Cantona was the missing piece in the Utd jigsaw that helped Utd win their first Championshp in 26 years. You mention the incident at Palace, but you forget that when he returned he was responsible for winning the double. His goals at the end of the season when Utd won a few crucial games 1-0 and his goal in the FA Cup Final make him stand out, when did Zola or Berkamp have the same influence.
Remember Cantona won the league with Leeds the year before he joined Utd. On occasion they still chant the name of Cantona at the theatre of dreams, do you still think they will remember the name of Zola in five years at the bridge.
Remember Cantona won the league with Leeds the year before he joined Utd. On occasion they still chant the name of Cantona at the theatre of dreams, do you still think they will remember the name of Zola in five years at the bridge.
oh and cantona retired because he was burning out at thirty his last half season at united was not as good as the previous 4.5 so he rightly quit to become a legend. He won only because Man Utd are the most popular club in the world and it is just diplomatic crap, to keep the glory boys happy.
cantona acheieved as part of a team that was already there, bergkamp is the founder of something which is reaching its prime. Schmeichel would have been a much better choice. No objections there. Klinsman would have been a bad choice. A) he didn't do much, B) his team didn't do much C) he was a hardcore cheat and possibly franny jeffer's dad
There are arguments for lots of strikers - Bergkamp for bringing flair to the game, Zola for his raw talent that still hasn't faded, Klinsmann for lots of things (eg making Sheringham the player he is today) but Meka is right. Cantona carried United to the double, and retired by choice because he had won some of the biggest prizes in football (although probably should have stayed to have a crack at Europe).
But I think Schmeichel was criminally overlooked.
But I think Schmeichel was criminally overlooked.
bergkamp, helped arsenal win the league! Yet ergkamp is a model professional, deserved it far more. It is the athlete not the team who is being rewarded. Zola was favourite for this award as he is that model proffesional, you forget the cup winners cup, multiple FA cups and some damn fine performances. Either Bergkamp or Zola deserved it and i don't care which. As I want Man Utd to win the league (over arsenal) naturally i would want cantona to be named a head, but bergkamp deserves it more as does zola
Cantona helped Utd to win the league for the first time in 26 years, and was part of the continued success of the club during his time there.
Zola didn't help Chelsea to win anything other than the FA Cup, and they did alright in Europe, despite the club spending a small fortune, it's not a great deal, is it?
So who would you say was more influentual?
Cantona was great.
Zola didn't help Chelsea to win anything other than the FA Cup, and they did alright in Europe, despite the club spending a small fortune, it's not a great deal, is it?
So who would you say was more influentual?
Cantona was great.
Firstly i'd like to state my out rage at Eric Cantona winning the "premierships best import" award. What a joke, How can they compare Cantona's stay at old Trafford, in any way to the sheer professionalism of Gianfranco zola. Cantona was at united 5 years and Zola has been at Chelsea 6 already. But the length of the stay is irrelevant. Zola has done the incredible he has Stretched a career into his 37th year, a time when many strikers would already have been retired 3 years. Cantona retired age 30 and even then was looking pretty unfit. Zola has dedicated his later years to maintaining peak fitness and is still running circles around men, little over half his age.
One Area where he does have the edge is in the goal record department. The Old Trafford legend joined United in 1992 from Leeds for £1.2million, making 191 appearances and scoring 88 goals before retiring in 1997.
THe Hero of Stamford Bridge however has scored 80 in 300 apearrances yet is stil going on.
In reality goals are irrelevant in this consideration. If Goal tallies were the measure of the best import, Henry, Hasselbaink, and Van Nistelrooy (nearly) have already far surpassed this target.
Zola has offered this league nothing but professionalism and good nature, Cantona however was involved in the biggest disrepute case the premier league, with an assault on the lifeblood of English football....the fans.
I know many football pundits were expecting Zola to win this award, and he can feel robbed not to have one it, his vision touch and class are unparralelled by any man in the league with the exception of.......Dennis Bergkamp. My previous ramblings may have sounded extremely pro Chelsea (and they were) but not i am moving to the other end of the Scale with London Rivals Arsenal.
Dennis Bergkamp has been Critical to the building of arsenal into the team they are today. The Bergkamp-Wright, Followed by the Bergkamp-Henry partner shiphave been two of the most impressive strike partnerships to reach the premiership.
Bergkamp has a pretty good scoring record with 102 goals in a little over 300 appearances, and has been crucial insupport of Highbury's all time top scorer, wright, and the man who if he stays looks certain to break that record; Henry. With out the presence of Bergkamp would Wright have reached the record in Time, Would Henry have learnt the things he has or thrived on an exquisite supply. Would Arsenal have benefit from a ridiculous £23
million transfer fee from Anelka it there had been not been the impressive bergkamp to lift him to were he was. Bergkamp has provided the premiership with 8 years of loyal service, has scored goals from pretty much every concievable angle and has shown a passing range only zola can match as a a sriker, as his career carries intohis mid 30's. Arguably Bergkamp too has had more than his fair share of disciplinary procedures, but at least his foibles have been confined to the pitch.
I find it hard to believe that many Man Utd supporters, would deny that although Cantona provided us with some out standing memories (especially the amazing juggle previously shown at the start of match of the day), and performed at a high level as a striker, That The level of profesionalism, good attitude and dedication to the game shown by Zola and Bergkamp, leaves them more deserving winners, with Cantona close behind.
One Area where he does have the edge is in the goal record department. The Old Trafford legend joined United in 1992 from Leeds for £1.2million, making 191 appearances and scoring 88 goals before retiring in 1997.
THe Hero of Stamford Bridge however has scored 80 in 300 apearrances yet is stil going on.
In reality goals are irrelevant in this consideration. If Goal tallies were the measure of the best import, Henry, Hasselbaink, and Van Nistelrooy (nearly) have already far surpassed this target.
Zola has offered this league nothing but professionalism and good nature, Cantona however was involved in the biggest disrepute case the premier league, with an assault on the lifeblood of English football....the fans.
I know many football pundits were expecting Zola to win this award, and he can feel robbed not to have one it, his vision touch and class are unparralelled by any man in the league with the exception of.......Dennis Bergkamp. My previous ramblings may have sounded extremely pro Chelsea (and they were) but not i am moving to the other end of the Scale with London Rivals Arsenal.
Dennis Bergkamp has been Critical to the building of arsenal into the team they are today. The Bergkamp-Wright, Followed by the Bergkamp-Henry partner shiphave been two of the most impressive strike partnerships to reach the premiership.
Bergkamp has a pretty good scoring record with 102 goals in a little over 300 appearances, and has been crucial insupport of Highbury's all time top scorer, wright, and the man who if he stays looks certain to break that record; Henry. With out the presence of Bergkamp would Wright have reached the record in Time, Would Henry have learnt the things he has or thrived on an exquisite supply. Would Arsenal have benefit from a ridiculous £23
million transfer fee from Anelka it there had been not been the impressive bergkamp to lift him to were he was. Bergkamp has provided the premiership with 8 years of loyal service, has scored goals from pretty much every concievable angle and has shown a passing range only zola can match as a a sriker, as his career carries intohis mid 30's. Arguably Bergkamp too has had more than his fair share of disciplinary procedures, but at least his foibles have been confined to the pitch.
I find it hard to believe that many Man Utd supporters, would deny that although Cantona provided us with some out standing memories (especially the amazing juggle previously shown at the start of match of the day), and performed at a high level as a striker, That The level of profesionalism, good attitude and dedication to the game shown by Zola and Bergkamp, leaves them more deserving winners, with Cantona close behind.
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