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Sat 12/04/03 at 16:17
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Okay,

Just a little advice needed. I've been designing websites for years and am pretty well drilled on HTML, PHP, JavaScript, and a few other bits and pieces, but would like to know what is currently considered the best way of designing a website.

I've heard CSS being knocked around a little bit recently, is that being used as a way of designing a site?

What are your thoughts?
Sun 13/04/03 at 10:39
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Bob_The_Moose wrote:
> monkey_man wrote:
> Frames are hissed at by the internet cat
>
> I like frames.

So do I. In fact, I said that in the next part of the sentence.
Sun 13/04/03 at 10:33
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But I will admit they can easily make a site look very bad. And cramped. Like www.csports.net

But I'll find you an example of a site that looks cool with frames.
Sun 13/04/03 at 10:32
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Frames aren't bad, but at the same time aren't great.

You make valid points about their use. However, Frames can destroy a Web Site purly by not being used correctly, which appears to happen quite a lot.

Because users all on't have the same types of Browser, same Browser Version or same Screen sizes, the outcome of a Web Page can look great on one persons screen, whereas it'll look god awful on another. Not to mention if each Frame is too big for the screen, then each will in turn either need its own scroll bar, or if you switch them off, the user won't be able to get the full web page.

Take this site for example. Sure, SR could have the blue nav in its own Frame, as well as this section (Forum). But looking at both, you'll see each go further down the page. If both were in Frames, two scroll bars would be needed which would:

A) Make the page not look as good.
B) Require the user to take more effort in finding the link he or she desires. Or in a worse case, the user won't bother scrolling the Nav Bar, and miss a whole chuck of the site.

Frames aren't popular for pro sites, but for more amature/personal pages, then people are more forgiving :) Just as long as you use them correctly and effectivaly.
Sun 13/04/03 at 09:59
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How are frames lame? It means when you click a link, the whole page doesn't have to be loaded again, only the frame with the information in it, and hopefully any large images won't get reloaded. = faster browsing once it's loaded. Plus, it's much easier for layout, and you don't have to go round each page editing the navigation links on hundereds of pages if you decide to re-arrange your file structures. You only need to do it on one. (assuming the frames layout is links on one part and main content in another one.)
Sun 13/04/03 at 00:47
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Yeah he's right. Frame == lame.
Sat 12/04/03 at 23:58
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Yes, but your a moose.
Sat 12/04/03 at 21:49
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monkey_man wrote:
> Frames are hissed at by the internet cat

I like frames.
Sat 12/04/03 at 16:31
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CSS is currently in vogue, but more traditional elements of coding like HTML and JavaScript will always be around. Frames are hissed at by the internet cat, but they function quite well when used properly. Again, frames will always be around no matter how little they are used nowadays. Someone told me that Netscape's latest browser is compatible with the