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How dare they use their power of veto to prevent the passage by a majority of members of the security council of such a manifestly just resolution?
Um. I'm talking about these guys of course:
List of resolutions vetoed by the USA 1972 - 2002
(Russia has used their veto TWICE)
Year Resolution Vetoed by the USA
1972 Condemns Israel for killing hundreds of people in
Syria and Lebanon in air raids.
1973 Afirms the rights of the Palestinians and calls on
Israel to withdraw from the occupied territories.
1976 Condemns Israel for attacking Lebanese civilians.
1976 Condemns Israel for building settlements in the
occupied territories.
1976 Calls for self determination for the Palestinians.
1976 Afirms the rights of the Palestinians.
1978 Urges the permanent members (USA, USSR, UK, France,
China) to insure United Nations decisions on the
maintenance of international peace and security.
1978 Criticises the living conditions of the
Palestinians.
1978 Condemns the Israeli human rights record in
occupied territories.
1978 Calls for developed countries to increase the
quantity and quality of development assistance to
underdeveloped countries.
1979 Calls for an end to all military and nuclear
collaboration with the apartheid South Africa.
1979 Strengthens the arms embargo against South Africa.
1979 Offers assistance to all the oppressed people of
South Africa and their liberation movement.
1979 Concerns negotiations on disarmament and cessation
of the nuclear arms race.
1979 Calls for the return of all inhabitants expelled
by Israel.
1979 Demands that Israel desist from human rights
violations.
1979 Requests a report on the living conditions of
Palestinians in occupied Arab countries.
1979 Offers assistance to the Palestinian people.
1979 Discusses sovereignty over national resources in
occupied Arab territories.
1979 Calls for protection of developing counties'
exports.
1979 Calls for alternative approaches within the United
Nations system for improving the enjoyment of human
rights and fundamental freedoms.
1979 Opposes support for intervention in the internal
or external affairs ofstates.
1979 For a United Nations Conference on Women.
1979 To include Palestinian women in the United Nations
Conference on Women.
1979 Safeguards rights of developing countries in
multinational trade negotiations.
1980 Requests Israel to return displaced persons.
1980 Condemns Israeli policy regarding the living
conditions of the Palestinian people.
1980 Condemns Israeli human rights practices in occupied
territories. 3 resolutions.
1980 Afirms the right of self determination for the
Palestinians.
1980 Offers assistance to the oppressed people of South
Africa and their national liberation movement.
1980 Attempts to establish a New International Economic
Order to promote the growth of underdeveloped
countries and international economic co-operation.
1980 Endorses the Program of Action for Second Half of
United Nations Decade for Women.
1980 Declaration of non-use of nuclear weapons against
non-nuclear states.
1980 Emphasises that the development of nations and
individuals is a human right.
1980 Calls for the cessation of all nuclear test
explosions.
1980 Calls for the implementation of the Declaration
on the Granting of Independence to Colonial
Countries and Peoples.
1981 Promotes co-operative movements in developing
countries.
1981 Affirms the right of every state to choose its
economic and social system in accord with the
will of its people, without outside interference
in whatever form it takes.
1981 Condemns activities of foreign economic interests
in colonial territories.
1981 Calls for the cessation of all test explosions of
nuclear weapons.
1981 Calls for action in support of measures to prevent
nuclear war, curb the arms race and promote
disarmament.
1981 Urges negotiations on prohibition of chemical
and biological weapons.
1981 Declares that education, work, health care,
proper nourishment, national development, etc are
human rights.
1981 Condemns South Africa for attacks on neighbouring
states, condemns apartheid and attempts to
strengthen sanctions. 7 resolutions.
1981 Condemns an attempted coup by South Africa on the
Seychelles.
1981 Condemns Israel's treatment of the Palestinians,
human rights policies, and the bombing of Iraq.
18 resolutions.
1982 Condemns the Israeli invasion of Lebanon.
6 resolutions (1982 to 1983).
1982 Condemns the shooting of 11 Muslims at a shrine in
Jerusalem by an Israeli soldier.
1982 Calls on Israel to withdraw from the Golan Heights
occupied in 1967.
1982 Condemns apartheid and calls for the cessation of
economic aid to South Africa. 4 resolutions.
1982 Calls for the setting up of a World Charter for
the protection of the ecology.
1982 Sets up a United Nations conference on succession
of states in respect to state property, archives
and debts.
1982 Nuclear test bans and negotiations and nuclear
free outer space. 3 resolutions.
1982 Supports a new world information and communications
order.
1982 Prohibition of chemical and bacteriological weapons.
1982 Development of international law.
1982 Protects against products harmful to health and
the environment .
1982 Declares that education, work, health care, proper
nourishment, national development are human rights.
1982 Protects against products harmful to health and
the environment.
1982 Development of the energy resources of developing
countries.
1983 Resolutions about apartheid, nuclear arms, economics,
and international law. 15 resolutions.
1984 Condemns support of South Africa in its Namibian and
other policies.
1984 International action to eliminate apartheid.
1984 Condemns Israel for occupying and attacking southern
Lebanon.
1984 Resolutions about apartheid, nuclear arms, economics,
and international law. 18 resolutions.
1985 Condemns Israel for occupying and attacking southern
Lebanon.
1985 Condemns Israel for using excessive force in the
occupied territories.
1985 Resolutions about cooperation, human rights, trade
and development. 3 resolutions.
1985 Measures to be taken against Nazi, Fascist and
neo-Fascist activities .
1986 Calls on all governments (including the USA) to
observe international law.
1986 Imposes economic and military sanctions against
South Africa.
1986 Condemns Israel for its actions against Lebanese
civilians.
1986 Calls on Israel to respect Muslim holy places.
1986 Condemns Israel for sky-jacking a Libyan airliner.
1986 Resolutions about cooperation, security, human
rights, trade, media bias, the environment and
development. 8 resolutions.
1987 Calls on Israel to abide by the Geneva Conventions
in its treatment of the Palestinians.
1987 Calls on Israel to stop deporting Palestinians.
1987 Condemns Israel for its actions in Lebanon.
2 resolutions.
1987 Calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from
Lebanon.
1987 Cooperation between the United Nations and the
League of Arab States.
1987 Calls for compliance in the International Court
of Justice concerning military and paramilitary
activities against Nicaragua and a call to end
the trade embargo against Nicaragua. 2 resolutions.
1987 Measures to prevent international terrorism, study
the underlying political and economic causes of
terrorism, convene a conference to define terrorism
and to differentiate it from the struggle of people
from national liberation.
1987 Resolutions concerning journalism, international
debt and trade. 3 resolutions.
1987 Opposition to the build up of weapons in space.
1987 Opposition to the development of new weapons of
mass destruction.
1987 Opposition to nuclear testing. 2 resolutions.
1987 Proposal to set up South Atlantic "Zone of Peace".
1988 Condemns Israeli practices against Palestinians in
the occupied territories. 5 resolutions (1988 and
1989).
1989 Condemns USA invasion of Panama.
1989 Condemns USA troops for ransacking the residence
of the Nicaraguan ambassador in Panama.
1989 Condemns USA support for the Contra army in
Nicaragua.
1989 Condemns illegal USA embargo of Nicaragua.
1989 Opposing the acquisition of territory by force.
1989 Calling for a resolution to the Arab-Israeli
conflict based on earlier UN resoltions.
1990 To send three UN Security Council observers to
the occupied territories.
1995 Afirms that land in East Jerusalem annexed by
Israel is occupied territory.
1997 Calls on Israel to cease building settlements in
East Jerusalem and other occupied territories.
2 resolutions.
1999 Calls on the USA to end its trade embargo on Cuba.
8 resolutions (1992 to 1999).
2001 To send unarmed monitors to the West Bank and the
Gaza Strip.
2001 To set up the International Criminal Court.
2002 To renew the peace keeping mission in Bosnia.
How dare they use their power of veto to prevent the passage by a majority of members of the security council of such a manifestly just resolution?
Um. I'm talking about these guys of course:
List of resolutions vetoed by the USA 1972 - 2002
(Russia has used their veto TWICE)
Year Resolution Vetoed by the USA
1972 Condemns Israel for killing hundreds of people in
Syria and Lebanon in air raids.
1973 Afirms the rights of the Palestinians and calls on
Israel to withdraw from the occupied territories.
1976 Condemns Israel for attacking Lebanese civilians.
1976 Condemns Israel for building settlements in the
occupied territories.
1976 Calls for self determination for the Palestinians.
1976 Afirms the rights of the Palestinians.
1978 Urges the permanent members (USA, USSR, UK, France,
China) to insure United Nations decisions on the
maintenance of international peace and security.
1978 Criticises the living conditions of the
Palestinians.
1978 Condemns the Israeli human rights record in
occupied territories.
1978 Calls for developed countries to increase the
quantity and quality of development assistance to
underdeveloped countries.
1979 Calls for an end to all military and nuclear
collaboration with the apartheid South Africa.
1979 Strengthens the arms embargo against South Africa.
1979 Offers assistance to all the oppressed people of
South Africa and their liberation movement.
1979 Concerns negotiations on disarmament and cessation
of the nuclear arms race.
1979 Calls for the return of all inhabitants expelled
by Israel.
1979 Demands that Israel desist from human rights
violations.
1979 Requests a report on the living conditions of
Palestinians in occupied Arab countries.
1979 Offers assistance to the Palestinian people.
1979 Discusses sovereignty over national resources in
occupied Arab territories.
1979 Calls for protection of developing counties'
exports.
1979 Calls for alternative approaches within the United
Nations system for improving the enjoyment of human
rights and fundamental freedoms.
1979 Opposes support for intervention in the internal
or external affairs ofstates.
1979 For a United Nations Conference on Women.
1979 To include Palestinian women in the United Nations
Conference on Women.
1979 Safeguards rights of developing countries in
multinational trade negotiations.
1980 Requests Israel to return displaced persons.
1980 Condemns Israeli policy regarding the living
conditions of the Palestinian people.
1980 Condemns Israeli human rights practices in occupied
territories. 3 resolutions.
1980 Afirms the right of self determination for the
Palestinians.
1980 Offers assistance to the oppressed people of South
Africa and their national liberation movement.
1980 Attempts to establish a New International Economic
Order to promote the growth of underdeveloped
countries and international economic co-operation.
1980 Endorses the Program of Action for Second Half of
United Nations Decade for Women.
1980 Declaration of non-use of nuclear weapons against
non-nuclear states.
1980 Emphasises that the development of nations and
individuals is a human right.
1980 Calls for the cessation of all nuclear test
explosions.
1980 Calls for the implementation of the Declaration
on the Granting of Independence to Colonial
Countries and Peoples.
1981 Promotes co-operative movements in developing
countries.
1981 Affirms the right of every state to choose its
economic and social system in accord with the
will of its people, without outside interference
in whatever form it takes.
1981 Condemns activities of foreign economic interests
in colonial territories.
1981 Calls for the cessation of all test explosions of
nuclear weapons.
1981 Calls for action in support of measures to prevent
nuclear war, curb the arms race and promote
disarmament.
1981 Urges negotiations on prohibition of chemical
and biological weapons.
1981 Declares that education, work, health care,
proper nourishment, national development, etc are
human rights.
1981 Condemns South Africa for attacks on neighbouring
states, condemns apartheid and attempts to
strengthen sanctions. 7 resolutions.
1981 Condemns an attempted coup by South Africa on the
Seychelles.
1981 Condemns Israel's treatment of the Palestinians,
human rights policies, and the bombing of Iraq.
18 resolutions.
1982 Condemns the Israeli invasion of Lebanon.
6 resolutions (1982 to 1983).
1982 Condemns the shooting of 11 Muslims at a shrine in
Jerusalem by an Israeli soldier.
1982 Calls on Israel to withdraw from the Golan Heights
occupied in 1967.
1982 Condemns apartheid and calls for the cessation of
economic aid to South Africa. 4 resolutions.
1982 Calls for the setting up of a World Charter for
the protection of the ecology.
1982 Sets up a United Nations conference on succession
of states in respect to state property, archives
and debts.
1982 Nuclear test bans and negotiations and nuclear
free outer space. 3 resolutions.
1982 Supports a new world information and communications
order.
1982 Prohibition of chemical and bacteriological weapons.
1982 Development of international law.
1982 Protects against products harmful to health and
the environment .
1982 Declares that education, work, health care, proper
nourishment, national development are human rights.
1982 Protects against products harmful to health and
the environment.
1982 Development of the energy resources of developing
countries.
1983 Resolutions about apartheid, nuclear arms, economics,
and international law. 15 resolutions.
1984 Condemns support of South Africa in its Namibian and
other policies.
1984 International action to eliminate apartheid.
1984 Condemns Israel for occupying and attacking southern
Lebanon.
1984 Resolutions about apartheid, nuclear arms, economics,
and international law. 18 resolutions.
1985 Condemns Israel for occupying and attacking southern
Lebanon.
1985 Condemns Israel for using excessive force in the
occupied territories.
1985 Resolutions about cooperation, human rights, trade
and development. 3 resolutions.
1985 Measures to be taken against Nazi, Fascist and
neo-Fascist activities .
1986 Calls on all governments (including the USA) to
observe international law.
1986 Imposes economic and military sanctions against
South Africa.
1986 Condemns Israel for its actions against Lebanese
civilians.
1986 Calls on Israel to respect Muslim holy places.
1986 Condemns Israel for sky-jacking a Libyan airliner.
1986 Resolutions about cooperation, security, human
rights, trade, media bias, the environment and
development. 8 resolutions.
1987 Calls on Israel to abide by the Geneva Conventions
in its treatment of the Palestinians.
1987 Calls on Israel to stop deporting Palestinians.
1987 Condemns Israel for its actions in Lebanon.
2 resolutions.
1987 Calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from
Lebanon.
1987 Cooperation between the United Nations and the
League of Arab States.
1987 Calls for compliance in the International Court
of Justice concerning military and paramilitary
activities against Nicaragua and a call to end
the trade embargo against Nicaragua. 2 resolutions.
1987 Measures to prevent international terrorism, study
the underlying political and economic causes of
terrorism, convene a conference to define terrorism
and to differentiate it from the struggle of people
from national liberation.
1987 Resolutions concerning journalism, international
debt and trade. 3 resolutions.
1987 Opposition to the build up of weapons in space.
1987 Opposition to the development of new weapons of
mass destruction.
1987 Opposition to nuclear testing. 2 resolutions.
1987 Proposal to set up South Atlantic "Zone of Peace".
1988 Condemns Israeli practices against Palestinians in
the occupied territories. 5 resolutions (1988 and
1989).
1989 Condemns USA invasion of Panama.
1989 Condemns USA troops for ransacking the residence
of the Nicaraguan ambassador in Panama.
1989 Condemns USA support for the Contra army in
Nicaragua.
1989 Condemns illegal USA embargo of Nicaragua.
1989 Opposing the acquisition of territory by force.
1989 Calling for a resolution to the Arab-Israeli
conflict based on earlier UN resoltions.
1990 To send three UN Security Council observers to
the occupied territories.
1995 Afirms that land in East Jerusalem annexed by
Israel is occupied territory.
1997 Calls on Israel to cease building settlements in
East Jerusalem and other occupied territories.
2 resolutions.
1999 Calls on the USA to end its trade embargo on Cuba.
8 resolutions (1992 to 1999).
2001 To send unarmed monitors to the West Bank and the
Gaza Strip.
2001 To set up the International Criminal Court.
2002 To renew the peace keeping mission in Bosnia.
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You don't care? Way to prove me right about your lack of maturity Belldandy...
Light wrote:
> NATO acts well within it's own authority, as I've already explained
> and as you've decided to ignore.
As does the US, Uk and allies.
> 1983 - US invades Grenada, again with no UN backing, and the people
> of
> Grenada welcome them, actively helping US forces seek out those
> wanted
> for arrest.
>
> The US invades and loses numerous of their special forces to lightly
> armed policemen.
Because Policemen need AA guns, APCS, RPGS, military airfields, command bunkers e.t.c. eh ? Not to mention the weapons requested by the Grenadan regime for delivery in 1984, policemen need T series tanks don't they ?
> In Somalia, US forces were the only ones to actually go after the
> warlords, the UN forces were virtual prisoners in their own camps.
>
> The US wade in cack handed, fail to capture a single warlord, lose
> several troops, and generally inflame a bad situation.
At least they did something, unlike many.
> And in any case, this post was basically to demonstrate how the US has
> abused their veto. Or are you saying that they have not?
I'm saying I don't care, they used it in their interests like all the other nations do, get over it, it proves nothing.
> NATO acts well within it's own authority, as I've already explained
> and as you've decided to ignore.
As does the US, Uk and allies.
> 1983 - US invades Grenada, again with no UN backing, and the people
> of
> Grenada welcome them, actively helping US forces seek out those
> wanted
> for arrest.
>
> The US invades and loses numerous of their special forces to lightly
> armed policemen.
Because Policemen need AA guns, APCS, RPGS, military airfields, command bunkers e.t.c. eh ? Not to mention the weapons requested by the Grenadan regime for delivery in 1984, policemen need T series tanks don't they ?
> In Somalia, US forces were the only ones to actually go after the
> warlords, the UN forces were virtual prisoners in their own camps.
>
> The US wade in cack handed, fail to capture a single warlord, lose
> several troops, and generally inflame a bad situation.
At least they did something, unlike many.
> And in any case, this post was basically to demonstrate how the US has
> abused their veto. Or are you saying that they have not?
I'm saying I don't care, they used it in their interests like all the other nations do, get over it, it proves nothing.
Star Fury wrote:
>
> 1999 - US leads unsanctioned NATO force in Balkans, ending war and
> atrocities with no UN authority whatsoever.
NATO acts well within it's own authority, as I've already explained and as you've decided to ignore.
>
> 1983 - US invades Grenada, again with no UN backing, and the people of
> Grenada welcome them, actively helping US forces seek out those wanted
> for arrest.
The US invades and loses numerous of their special forces to lightly armed policemen.
>
> In Somalia, US forces were the only ones to actually go after the
> warlords, the UN forces were virtual prisoners in their own camps.
The US wade in cack handed, fail to capture a single warlord, lose several troops, and generally inflame a bad situation.
All of that is just a different spin on the same situation. But your childish insistence that you're right and any other explaination is wrong...well, it shows your level of maturity.
And in any case, this post was basically to demonstrate how the US has abused their veto. Or are you saying that they have not?
>
> 1999 - US leads unsanctioned NATO force in Balkans, ending war and
> atrocities with no UN authority whatsoever.
NATO acts well within it's own authority, as I've already explained and as you've decided to ignore.
>
> 1983 - US invades Grenada, again with no UN backing, and the people of
> Grenada welcome them, actively helping US forces seek out those wanted
> for arrest.
The US invades and loses numerous of their special forces to lightly armed policemen.
>
> In Somalia, US forces were the only ones to actually go after the
> warlords, the UN forces were virtual prisoners in their own camps.
The US wade in cack handed, fail to capture a single warlord, lose several troops, and generally inflame a bad situation.
All of that is just a different spin on the same situation. But your childish insistence that you're right and any other explaination is wrong...well, it shows your level of maturity.
And in any case, this post was basically to demonstrate how the US has abused their veto. Or are you saying that they have not?
But really, it shows how easily the power of Vetoing can be abused. Good, proper, meaningfull resolutions, and they Veto all of them?
Pfft.
Pfft.
By the way kiddies, we're at war as of now.
So because America vetoed numerous things it has to sit back and watch a growing threat ?
Yeah right.....what they've vetoed has no bearing on this situation whatsoever. Security council members can veto, it's in the UN charter, so there is nothing wrong with it, except there are always consequences of doing so. In France's case it's going to be political isolation - notice that Russia isn't going out of its way to condemn anyone, nor is Germany, whilst France now wants a part.
1999 - US leads unsanctioned NATO force in Balkans, ending war and atrocities with no UN authority whatsoever.
1983 - US invades Grenada, again with no UN backing, and the people of Grenada welcome them, actively helping US forces seek out those wanted for arrest.
In Somalia, US forces were the only ones to actually go after the warlords, the UN forces were virtual prisoners in their own camps.
But who cares, they've vetoed stuff !!!
Yeah right.....what they've vetoed has no bearing on this situation whatsoever. Security council members can veto, it's in the UN charter, so there is nothing wrong with it, except there are always consequences of doing so. In France's case it's going to be political isolation - notice that Russia isn't going out of its way to condemn anyone, nor is Germany, whilst France now wants a part.
1999 - US leads unsanctioned NATO force in Balkans, ending war and atrocities with no UN authority whatsoever.
1983 - US invades Grenada, again with no UN backing, and the people of Grenada welcome them, actively helping US forces seek out those wanted for arrest.
In Somalia, US forces were the only ones to actually go after the warlords, the UN forces were virtual prisoners in their own camps.
But who cares, they've vetoed stuff !!!
Also, you may be interested in this:
When the UN Security Council voted on the resolution enabling the first Gulf War, Russia didn't want a part of it then.
However, rather than actively vote against the resolution, they thought they'd be clever and just not turn up to vote.
The UN then decided that it didn't need affirmative votes from all 5 perm. members, so long as none of them voted against it.
So we only got the resolution for the first Gulf War because one Russian politician made a monumental mis-call.
When the UN Security Council voted on the resolution enabling the first Gulf War, Russia didn't want a part of it then.
However, rather than actively vote against the resolution, they thought they'd be clever and just not turn up to vote.
The UN then decided that it didn't need affirmative votes from all 5 perm. members, so long as none of them voted against it.
So we only got the resolution for the first Gulf War because one Russian politician made a monumental mis-call.
Bit stupid really.
Hmm, the BBC article seems to gloss over the procedure a bit there.
The UN security council vote on procedural and non-procedural matters.
(I forget the requirements for non-procedural. If anyone cares I can go check). The requirement for '9 of 15 inc all 5 permanant members' is only required for non-procedural matters.
However, if the question of whether a matter is procedural or non-procedural is raised, it is decided by a vote following the non-procedural format, ie) needing 9 of 15 and all 5 perm. members to vote for a matter to be procedural, or it will be treated as non-procedural.
Thus on any matter a permanant member can challenge whether it is a procedural matter, use their veto to make it a non-procedural matter, then in the vote on the non-procedural matter, use their veto again to prevent the passing of the resolution.
Thus we see the so-called 'double veto' that allows permanant members to prevent any resolution.
The UN security council vote on procedural and non-procedural matters.
(I forget the requirements for non-procedural. If anyone cares I can go check). The requirement for '9 of 15 inc all 5 permanant members' is only required for non-procedural matters.
However, if the question of whether a matter is procedural or non-procedural is raised, it is decided by a vote following the non-procedural format, ie) needing 9 of 15 and all 5 perm. members to vote for a matter to be procedural, or it will be treated as non-procedural.
Thus on any matter a permanant member can challenge whether it is a procedural matter, use their veto to make it a non-procedural matter, then in the vote on the non-procedural matter, use their veto again to prevent the passing of the resolution.
Thus we see the so-called 'double veto' that allows permanant members to prevent any resolution.
A country acting in its own interests? Hardly a huge revelation really is it?
Btw...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2828985.stm
I guess we can rely on the BBC to give us reliable stats. :)
Btw...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2828985.stm
I guess we can rely on the BBC to give us reliable stats. :)
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